Is Ford and Chevy up to par with foreign manufacturers now?

[The Black Wolf]

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/is-your-car-dependable

I noticed the Ford Fusion on that list and then some Chevys and other American made cars.

What do you think? Do you think Ford and Cheverolet are now up to par with foreign cars like Honda, Toyota, and Nissan? The weird thing is I didn't see a Honda win on that list, and Hondas are known for their reliability.

[Everyday]

There getting better, I worked for General Motors during the summer and production was great for the camaro they even opened up extra shifts so I assume its selling well. Just dont drive a Foreign car into the employee parking or expect slashed tires and key marks all over your car.

[The Black Wolf]

There getting better, I worked for General Motors during the summer and production was great for the camaro they even opened up extra shifts so I assume its selling well. Just dont drive a Foreign car into the employee parking or expect slashed tires and key marks all over your car.

So they're better, but not up to par just yet?

[mooninites]

They're moving in the right direction. If they keep moving the same way and keep their autos reliable, they should be on par. I'm not surprised the Camaro is doing well. Everyone loves a head turner with a good amount of power that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

[Xelios]

They should bring Pontiac back. Then they'll be up to par. Fuck the Camaro, we need more Trans Ams!

[SynYster505]

They should bring Pontiac back. Then they'll be up to par. Fuck the Camaro, we need more Trans Ams!

Agreed. Bring Pontiac and the trans am back. Except I like camaros. I'm planning on getting a used 2010 camaro 2SS pretty soon.

But I do think ford is making the best vehicles these days. My buddy just got a 2011 5.0 mustang gt. very high quality, very nice. But that new 2013 Shelby.. Dude. My dream is to have a 2013 Shelby and a 2013 raptor. I rather drive a new 2013 Shelby than any foreign car, TBH.

[Xelios]

Agreed. Bring Pontiac and the trans am back. Except I like camaros. I'm planning on getting a used 2010 camaro 2SS pretty soon.

But I do think ford is making the best vehicles these days. My buddy just got a 2011 5.0 mustang gt. very high quality, very nice. But that new 2013 Shelby.. Dude. My dream is to have a 2013 Shelby and a 2013 raptor. I rather drive a new 2013 Shelby than any foreign car, TBH.

Honestly, I don't like the new Camaros. They're nice and all, but I don't find them all that great. Kind of like the 4th gen Camaros. Those 4th gen T/As really rocked them in the styling department, and they were every bit as good performance wise.

[weskurtz81]

I would say Ford is on par and better in some areas while Chevy is close to being on par.

[SynYster505]

Honestly, I don't like the new Camaros. They're nice and all, but I don't find them all that great. Kind of like the 4th gen Camaros. Those 4th gen T/As really rocked them in the styling department, and they were every bit as good performance wise.

Yeah the 4th gen Trans am is one of my favorite cars. Looked way better than the 4th gen camaro. Don't you have a trans am or camaro? I can't remember if you've said you had one or not.

[EatSleepAndPlay]

My Saturn was a nightmare.

I never had ANY problems with my Ford.

*knock on wood.*

[Lethal_NFS]

They should bring Pontiac back. Then they'll be up to par. Fuck the Camaro, we need more Trans Ams!

The newest GTO is the best anyways.

[The Boy From School]

Ford has always been top of the line.

Mustang>Anything else.

[Beast of Bourbon]

Imo they are not up to par compared to german cars.
But im an audifanboy so i guess you could call me biased

[F34R]

I won't buy another American car. Period. How Nissan beat out the Toyata Tacoma would be interesting to know.

[Xelios]

Yeah the 4th gen Trans am is one of my favorite cars. Looked way better than the 4th gen camaro. Don't you have a trans am or camaro? I can't remember if you've said you had one or not.

Had an 83 Camaro. A while back actually, was looking to buy a 4th gen T/A, but I ended up getting a motorcycle instead which killed my funds. The 1999 30th anniversary T/A is still one of my favorite cars though, plan on buying one of those one day

The newest GTO is the best anyways.

That sure is nice, way better than stock Camaro aesthetics.

[MATRIX 2]

Imo they are not up to par compared to german cars.
But im an audifanboy so i guess you could call me biased

So what do you do when your car is in the shop.

[angrynewyorker]

American muscle cars r great, but not a big fan of any American sedans. I just bought a 2012 passat tdi diesel that gets 43+ mpg on the highway with out any plugging in or underpowered bland looking bs. All manufacturers American, Japanese, and Korean should take a lesson from VW. Clean diesels r where its at. 236 lb ft of torque at 1500 rpm

[Everyday]

They definatly surpass any foreign truck, I laugh at every guy who drives a Toyota/Honda/Nissan truck, like nice tonka toy

[angrynewyorker]

They definatly surpass any foreign truck, I laugh at every guy who drives a Toyota/Honda/Nissan truck, like nice tonka toy

I bought a Nissan Titan the first year it came out ( not best idea to buy first year on a vehicle they never made before) but anyway I had a lot of trouble with it (3 sets of front brakes and rotors in 18000 miles and rear end went out at 25000 miles) and my wife drove it most of the time so it wasn't like it got beat. But anyway it had a Chevy v8 in it and man did that thing run. My old man bought a tundra and that Nissan with the Chevy power plant would smoke that thing. That's why American muscle cars r so great too. But other than that American CARS r trash.

[mooninites]

2013 Trans Am

Not really a Trans Am

[MjW]

I won't buy another American car. Period. How Nissan beat out the Toyata Tacoma would be interesting to know.

Why so adamant?

2013 Trans Am

Not really a Trans Am

I like the BMW headlights. I don't like the idea of bad lightning and black colour. Makes it really hard to see what the car looks like.

[Funeralfog]

i will only drive american cars

[SynYster505]

i will only drive american cars

Same.

[MATRIX 2]

i will only drive american cars

What defines an "American" car.

[MjW]

What defines an "American" car.

I'd like to hear that too. But I'd assume a car, that is good enough, creates jobs for Americans and leave the most money in the country.