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    The Bible Belt... nuff said.

    In thirty years or so... this will be no different from when they tried to outlaw inter-racial marriage. If I remember right... at one point over half the states had passed laws on that too...

    Slow process... but at least we are moving in the right direction.
    ie if you look at polls the nation has moved from about 75% opposed to marriage equality... to about 50/50... and if you look at younger folks, they pretty much support it, period.

    Just have to decide which side of history you want to be on...


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    yall should see hats going on here in Colorado.
    A civil union bill with bipartian support was shot down by one (or several) GOP reps along with about 30 other bills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuuichi View Post
    I respect your religion but no where in the Bible does it talk about marriage or being gay. Now they may have changed it as the Bible has been changed way way to many times. But the one I read which has been in my family for generations never mentioned anything about those two. Churches condeem it yes and they have a def for marriage.
    Regardless if it's in the bible or not, those in certain churches have always had this strong belief of marriage being exclusive to a man and a woman. Trying to question and or change their mind about gay marriage is futile.







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    Quote Originally Posted by FonFahbre View Post
    Regardless if it's in the bible or not, those in certain churches have always had this strong belief of marriage being exclusive to a man and a woman. Trying to question and or change their mind about gay marriage is futile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squirrelbo1 View Post
    Foundations of marriage. What like on the pre Christian Greek and Roman empire ? Christianity didn't invent marriage and should have no say over its application.
    I know that. The foundations of marriage was not created by the church. It is a national doctrine.
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    America's mistake nowadays is that most right-wing, anti-gay, theists believe that both the Church and the government is one entity, rather than two. The Church and state are two completely different parties, that I feel, shouldn't have any say in the working manners of each other.
    This has literally nothing to do with anything going on in this thread.

    The people voted this amendment into place. Its the people that did it, not the church.
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    I can wholeheartedly respect a rejection of gay marriage. But to then take that belief and use it to tell OTHER people how to live their lives that's not something I can condone.


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    Quote Originally Posted by -Kwesnoth- View Post
    Who says that they do? Its the people who believe in the religion that were those 60% that voted to get the amendment made.

    And why would I need a better reason then religion, my whole life is based around my beliefs that I stand by. Its my opinion, and I don't need a better reason for it.
    They do. Here in the UK for example, parts of the Christian faith have now apparently broken the law by potentially discriminating against homosexuals in schools in relation to pushing the anti-gay marriage agenda and also attempting to persuade pupils to sign a petition that was intended to be used as a political document to deny gay people the right to marry.

    Similarly, trying to outlaw abortion or at the very least; putting abhorrent processes in place to punish a woman (i.e. ******l ultrasound) alongside spreading false rhetoric claiming abortion leads to cancer etc as well as not supporting the use of condoms particularly in places where they'd be of benefit (i.e. reduce risk of aids etc) is clearly trying to use various means (in some cases illegal, others immoral) to determine how society lives it's life - in accordance to the supposed christian belief. Though we're not all christian.

    On a personal level, of course you don't need a better reason to be against gay marriage - I should have worded that better. However, in my view religion as a whole needs a better reason to oppose it / push that opposition onto everyone other than 'I don't like what they're doing'. Currently, there's no good reason that I can think of that says gay people being allowed to marry would be bad for society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Kwesnoth- View Post
    Because its wrong. Thats why. Its goes against both my religion, and the foundations of marriage.
    No, it doesn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by -Kwesnoth- View Post
    The people voted this amendment into place. Its the people that did it, not the church.
    The people who voted this into place are selfish bigots. They're suppressing a minority, and that's wrong. There's also the whole separation of church and state thing, which is a founding part of our nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by TRF View Post
    I can wholeheartedly respect a rejection of gay marriage. But to then take that belief and use it to tell OTHER people how to live their lives … that's not something I can condone.
    Exactly this, though I only respect someone's right to think what they want. I can never get behind intolerance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapture View Post
    No, it doesn't.



    The people who voted this into place are selfish bigots. They're suppressing a minority, and that's wrong. There's also the whole separation of church and state thing, which is a founding part of our nation.



    Exactly this, though I only respect someone's right to think what they want. I can never get behind intolerance.
    Okay. So its wrong for a group of people to vote and use their numbers to get something done that they want, which happens to get rid of gay marriage?

    But it is okay if a law was put into place that allowed gay marriage that went against the very religion or standards that the other people live by?

    How come its only bad if one group of people are looked down upon? If the vote went the other way, would their be sympathy for the people that didn't support gay marriage?

    If you guys don't like how laws, and amendments are passed in this country, then GTFO. Cause thats how it has always been, and will always be, unless Obama ****s that up too. But thats an entirely different topic, so ignore it.
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    I'm not saying people shouldn't be able to decide what they want BUT they shouldn't be allowed to use that power to the detriment of others.

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    If two people who love each other, regardless of gender, are in love, then they should be allowed to marry. End of story. The whole sanctuary of marriage **** pisses me off. I heard this somewhere and I think it's pretty poignant "The majority should not decide laws which affect only the minority" and I think that's right. The only people who this affects is gay people who want to get married.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Kwesnoth- View Post
    I know that. The foundations of marriage was not created by the church. It is a national doctrine.
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    One that never initially discriminated against gay marriage. Nero married two men. So to claim that gay marriage goes against the foundation of marriage is ludicrous. It goes against a relatively modern Christian (religious) understanding of marriage.


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    Now as you may or may not know, I'm a Muslim and in Islam homosexuality is one of THE WORST SINS. However that does not mean that homosexuals suddenly should lose their rights as human beings and as citizens of a state and should start to be treated differently. Forcing your opinion on others lives is just...wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beast of Bourbon View Post
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    Marriage as we know it in the west has always been very much a Christian tradition and institution. Many people get married in churches and vow to be one from now until death. Marriage itself, Biblically speaking, is a symbol of the marriage between Christ and the church, women often being used metaphorically to represent God's church. The union of two men or two women perverts marriage and it's true significance it holds in the gospel. Why should Christianity have one of it's most prized traditions perverted like that, a tradition established by God, who made it crystal clear that homosexuality is unnatural and an abomination in His eyes.

    Gays can go to a registry office and sign up for some "civil union" status or whatever. And no im not homophobic, my brother is gay and I couldn't care less. What people choose to do behind closed doors is their business and affects me 0%, but to think they should be able to take part in a religious institution that is against the lifestyle they live is crazy imho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R3D D3V!L View Post
    What do you mean by that?
    he means gays should be allowed to be miserable and married like straight people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DayWalker View Post
    he means gays should be allowed to be miserable and married like straight people.
    Ah, I get you, and I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost-Rhayne View Post
    Marriage as we know it in the west has always been very much a Christian tradition and institution. Many people get married in churches and vow to be one from now until death. Marriage itself, Biblically speaking, is a symbol of the marriage between Christ and the church, women often being used metaphorically to represent God's church. The union of two men or two women perverts marriage and it's true significance it holds in the gospel. Why should Christianity have one of it's most prized traditions perverted like that, a tradition established by God, who made it crystal clear that homosexuality is unnatural and an abomination in His eyes.

    Gays can go to a registry office and sign up for some "civil union" status or whatever. And no im not homophobic, my brother is gay and I couldn't care less. What people choose to do behind closed doors is their business and affects me 0%, but to think they should be able to take part in a religious institution that is against the lifestyle they live is crazy imho.
    hmm a very good point. As a parent I wouldn't want my children to grow in a society where homosexuality is common, and going by that sentiment and what you said, it is understandable for people to prevent gay marriages. However, if it is just a religious dilemma than why cant the gay people just marry in court?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost-Rhayne View Post
    Marriage as we know it in the west has always been very much a Christian tradition and institution. Many people get married in churches and vow to be one from now until death. Marriage itself, Biblically speaking, is a symbol of the marriage between Christ and the church, women often being used metaphorically to represent God's church. The union of two men or two women perverts marriage and it's true significance it holds in the gospel. Why should Christianity have one of it's most prized traditions perverted like that, a tradition established by God, who made it crystal clear that homosexuality is unnatural and an abomination in His eyes.

    Gays can go to a registry office and sign up for some "civil union" status or whatever. And no im not homophobic, my brother is gay and I couldn't care less. What people choose to do behind closed doors is their business and affects me 0%, but to think they should be able to take part in a religious institution that is against the lifestyle they live is crazy imho.
    Then non-christians shouldn't be allowed to marry either. The fact is, marriage isn't exclusive to christianity. It's a legal contract, not a religious institution.

    Next we should outlaw trimming or shaving beards because that's not acceptable according to the bible.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Naxi View Post
    Then non-christians shouldn't be allowed to marry either. The fact is, marriage isn't exclusive to christianity. It's a legal contract, not a religious institution.

    Next we should outlaw trimming or shaving beards because that's not acceptable according to the bible.
    exactly.

    non-Christians, and christian who don't want or can't have children... should not be allowed to get married if we are going to stick with the narrow christian view on marriage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squirrelbo1 View Post
    I'm not saying people shouldn't be able to decide what they want BUT they shouldn't be allowed to use that power to the detriment of others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itachi73378 View Post
    hmm a very good point. As a parent I wouldn't want my children to grow in a society were homosexuality is common, and going by that sentiment and what you said it is understandable for people to prevent gay marriages. However, if it is just a religious dilemma than why cant the gay people just marry in court?
    Homosexuality IS common, in THIS society.


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    Quote Originally Posted by itachi73378 View Post
    hmm a very good point. As a parent I wouldn't want my children to grow in a society where homosexuality is common, and going by that sentiment and what you said, it is understandable for people to prevent gay marriages. However, if it is just a religious dilemma than why cant the gay people just marry in court?
    Why? Kids who grow up where homosexuality isn't looked down upon wont end up gay because of it. If someone is gay, they're gay, no matter how, where or who they are brought up by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Kwesnoth- View Post
    The people voted this amendment into place. Its the people that did it, not the church.
    What about 'the people' who oppose it? Do you not consider their opinions worth noting? Are you saying the church doesn't influence some of those votes?

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    If you guys don't like how laws, and amendments are passed in this country, then GTFO. Cause thats how it has always been, and will always be, unless Obama ****s that up too. But thats an entirely different topic, so ignore it.
    So pretty much, "If you don't like it, you can get out", right? You guys act like legalizing gay marriage will somehow extinguish the right for a straight couple to get married. I think they have every right to be as miserable as those who take it for granted.
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