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    Xbox live will bridge the 360 and the new xbox to co-existence

    XBOX LIVE WILL BRIDGE THE 360 AND THE NEW XBOX TO CO-EXISTENCE



    Posted by SoldierX on 10 May 2012 / 5 Comment






    Letís focus our collective attention on Xbox as a brand. By now you should have realized that Xbox Live is the actual vehicle driving Microsoftís console on the road to success. Yes, there have been some speed bumps (down time), wrecks (RRoD) and other unforeseen problems but overall Microsoftís version of the Pep Boys; Major, e and Stepto (Yes, I know he quit) have kept the wheels spinning rather nicely. So before you trade in or sell your proverbial car for a newer model, give me the opportunity to argue for having two consoles co-exist on Xbox Live at the same time. The current gen Xbox 360 and the unannounced Xbox Metro (thatís what Iím calling it).
    I believe it is in Microsoftís best interest to have both the 360 and the new console co-exist on the Xbox Live service. Not only do you not lose the millions of users out there now, you will also gain an easy 3 million new consoles upon launch. The biggest problem MS will face is that original 360 owners will automatically have 2 consoles on their Live account so they wonít be able to charge them more, unless they raise the price for Xbox Live?
    Itís a rather swell idea, here are more than a few reasons why you should jump in.
    The number one thing that gamers usually want with their brand spanking new console is something old, backwards compatibility. Iím speaking in general terms here, because I know some of you will say thatís the last thing you want with a new system. Running both the 360 and the new console simultaneously on Xbox Live solves the problem of developing backwards compatibility for the new console. You can play all your 360 titles and MS doesnít have to worry about the transferring of licenses to the new system. Everything just works.
    Cross console gaming would be cool, as well. Imagine playing Halo 4 single player on the new console, it looks really nice and runs super smooth. You jump into a multi-player match and your still able to play with friends that havenít upgraded to the new system. In fact, they can tell youíre on the new system because your gamer card says so. You jump into a private match and begin to run your smack because they are playing on the old 360. Your multi-player experience will be top-notch for your system and their experience will be top-notch for the 360.
    Keeping your gamerscore is also very important. My gamerscore as of right now sits at 226351 and I would really hate to start over. Using Xbox Live as the bridge between consoles will allow users to keep their score. I didnít play Bullet Witch for the awesome gameplay, I played it for the achievements. I know a lot of you donít play strictly for achievements but you would be lying to yourself if you said they didnít matter.
    Truth is you donít even need to have both consoles, as long as you have the new system all your content should run on it. The important thing is that the 360 will still be able to run on Xbox Live until the user has a chance or is given a reason to want to upgrade to the new system. Here are a few reasons for that.
    • Blu-ray: Weíve wanted it since HD-DVD was laid to rest in its grave. Blu-ray is the standard for video game storage and hopefully MS agrees to include it in the next iteration of its system.
    • Internet Explorer: I still donít understand how a company that built its name on a web browser application has yet to release a proper version for the console. The next system must have a web browser.
    • Apps: Windows Phones are doing an excellent job here and the App store must grow exponentially on the next system in order to compete with other app delivering services.
    • Graphic Superiority: graphics matter they always will and with a rumored 16 core processor the next system should make a great leap graphically over current gen eye candy.


    I really do believe that the next MS system will be everything you have read here and more. If not then I will seriously second guess a day one purchase. As a consumer and a business the examples I have given make perfect sense. I think MS would be stupid not to copy and paste this editorial right on the desk of the guy making the next system happen. I mean how else are they gonna justify raising the price of an Xbox Live Gold subscription?
    Link: http://talkingaboutgames.com/?p=24133

    well this sounds good on paper. But would it actually work


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    I like the ideas for it i'm guessing there going to estabalish some sort of cross game connection option in an update or something along those lines something like that y'kno?

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    I believe it is in Microsoftís best interest to have both the 360 and the new console co-exist on the Xbox Live service.
    So like they did with Xbox 1 and Xbox 360.

    The number one thing that gamers usually want with their brand spanking new console is something old, backwards compatibility.
    When you look at the entire gaming community worldwide, very FEW want backwards compatibility.

    Iím speaking in general terms here, because I know some of you will say thatís the last thing you want with a new system. Running both the 360 and the new console simultaneously on Xbox Live solves the problem of developing backwards compatibility for the new console. You can play all your 360 titles and MS doesnít have to worry about the transferring of licenses to the new system. Everything just works.
    80% of the titles from the Xbox 1 worked fine on the Xbox 360. Some were actually improved (Halo 2 for example)

    Cross console gaming would be cool, as well. Imagine playing Halo 4 single player on the new console, it looks really nice and runs super smooth. You jump into a multi-player match and your still able to play with friends that havenít upgraded to the new system. In fact, they can tell youíre on the new system because your gamer card says so. You jump into a private match and begin to run your smack because they are playing on the old 360. Your multi-player experience will be top-notch for your system and their experience will be top-notch for the 360.
    Already had cross console compatibility. I played many hours of Halo 2 on my Xbox 360 against players on Xbox 1 playing Halo 2. Did this guy EVER have an Xbox 1?

    Blu-ray: Weíve wanted it since HD-DVD was laid to rest in its grave. Blu-ray is the standard for video game storage and hopefully MS agrees to include it in the next iteration of its system.
    We? LOL. Who is we? Blu-ray is NOT the standard for video game storage. This guy on crack? Only one console runs Blu-ray, the PS3. Wii doesn't, Wii-U doesn't, Xbox 360 doesn't, PC doesn't. Crack baby.

    Internet Explorer: I still donít understand how a company that built its name on a web browser application has yet to release a proper version for the console. The next system must have a web browser.
    Probably because we have computers, laptops, phones, ipads, ipods for internet browsing. We are using entertainment consoles for gaming and video. Browser is the LEAST of my concern. Games are number one on my list.

    I mean how else are they gonna justify raising the price of an Xbox Live Gold subscription?
    Who said anything about raising the price? Is this some 13 year old kids babbling on a blog? WTF


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    They have the ideas.. And the ability to do this

    But whats in the small print


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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier 95B View Post

    We? LOL. Who is we? Blu-ray is NOT the standard for video game storage. This guy on crack? Only one console runs Blu-ray, the PS3. Wii doesn't, Wii-U doesn't, Xbox 360 doesn't, PC doesn't. Crack baby.



    Probably because we have computers, laptops, phones, ipads, ipods for internet browsing. We are using entertainment consoles for gaming and video. Browser is the LEAST of my concern. Games are number one on my list.

    I agree with everything you said, except these two points.

    The first, for the storage medium...Wii/Wii-U and Nintendo get away with their smaller, specialised disc, more so because they focus less on graphical power, etc..essentially boiling down to smaller game sizes to begin with so they have no need for a 25 or 50gb Blu-Ray disc.

    PC gets away with using DVD's as you install the game completely, use c keys and or only need one disc in the drive to play the whole game..A little different than consoles requiring disc swapping (even if you install the game)

    So what I think he is really getting at is the Next Xbox needs to go to Blu-Ray (over DVD - not saying another format type isn't possible) in order to remove the need for disc swapping, compression, etc - it would also assist with multiplateform games. Look at Mass Effect 3...sure swapping disc's isn't that big of a deal..but it can be annoying when your console has disc read spasms.

    It is just the idea to make it smoother, larger disc, less compression, help load times too. Also, at this point it isn't a price issue for DVD vs Blu-Ray...

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    Second, I can really understand this..because they've added Facebook, Twiiter, LastFM, Netflix, etc directly to the console...why not go the next step of adding a browser?

    Not all of us buy into the Tablet world, not all of us have laptops. Think of having a browser open with game info, wlaktrhough's,etc and being able to just tab back and forth "alah alt+tab" on pc's and not even have to get up, grab something else, etc...

    It just seems like a logical next step.

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    Not saying they are needed, but you can see the reason it would make sense to add a browser or go to a larger media format.


    Also you make a deal about who is he refering to when he says "we" but you counter it with your own view on it, saying you don't need it. Not everyone is the same. You can't counter a broad generalisation with just your opinion or idea. To say you don't need a browser on your xbox is one thing, but who to say others wouldn't?

    Sometimes I like to set my Xbox up on the family big screen, well away from a computer..what's the harm in a browser so I can look something up on the fly instead of going upstairs, going to my phone with a small screen? Look at the broader picture.

    Some may use it, some don't. I don't use facebook, etc on my xbox, doesn't mean it is stupid or a useless addition, I'm sure plenty do use it on the fly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrannicide View Post
    I agree with everything you said, except these two points. The first, for the storage medium...Wii/Wii-U and Nintendo get away with their smaller, specialised disc, more so because they focus less on graphical power, etc..essentially boiling down to smaller game sizes to begin with so they have no need for a 25 or 50gb Blu-Ray disc. PC gets away with using DVD's as you install the game completely, use c keys and or only need one disc in the drive to play the whole game..A little different than consoles requiring disc swapping (even if you install the game) So what I think he is really getting at is the Next Xbox needs to go to Blu-Ray (over DVD - not saying another format type isn't possible) in order to remove the need for disc swapping, compression, etc - it would also assist with multiplateform games. Look at Mass Effect 3...sure swapping disc's isn't that big of a deal..but it can be annoying when your console has disc read spasms. It is just the idea to make it smoother, larger disc, less compression, help load times too. Also, at this point it isn't a price issue for DVD vs Blu-Ray... ----- Second, I can really understand this..because they've added Facebook, Twiiter, LastFM, Netflix, etc directly to the console...why not go the next step of adding a browser? Not all of us buy into the Tablet world, not all of us have laptops. Think of having a browser open with game info, wlaktrhough's,etc and being able to just tab back and forth "alah alt+tab" on pc's and not even have to get up, grab something else, etc... It just seems like a logical next step. ------ Not saying they are needed, but you can see the reason it would make sense to add a browser or go to a larger media format. Also you make a deal about who is he refering to when he says "we" but you counter it with your own view on it, saying you don't need it. Not everyone is the same. You can't counter a broad generalisation with just your opinion or idea. To say you don't need a browser on your xbox is one thing, but who to say others wouldn't? Sometimes I like to set my Xbox up on the family big screen, well away from a computer..what's the harm in a browser so I can look something up on the fly instead of going upstairs, going to my phone with a small screen? Look at the broader picture. Some may use it, some don't. I don't use facebook, etc on my xbox, doesn't mean it is stupid or a useless addition, I'm sure plenty do use it on the fly.
    Good points. +rep

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    Personally I was disappointed when the 360 didn't have a web browser as I often used it on the PS3 when I'd get stuck on a game or try to find out how to earn a trophy. Also there were times when I couldn't get on the pc and I wanted to check site out using a proper browser instead of the mobile sites they send you to on your phone.

    I think having blu-ray would help microsoft in the long run, currently to enjoy the blu-ray experience you either need a playstation 3 or a blu-ray player. If MS incorporate blu-ray discs in the next console then I'm sure that will attract buyers to the console, especially if it's cheaper than the PS4. I guess what I'm trying to say is more options for the consumer is always a win



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrannicide View Post
    I agree with everything you said, except these two points.

    The first, for the storage medium...Wii/Wii-U and Nintendo get away with their smaller, specialised disc, more so because they focus less on graphical power, etc..essentially boiling down to smaller game sizes to begin with so they have no need for a 25 or 50gb Blu-Ray disc.
    But that is just it. First, the Wii game disks are the same size as the Xbox 360 game disks. Secondly, the Wii-U is using a proprietary 25gb disk, not Blu-ray.

    Also you make a deal about who is he refering to when he says "we" but you counter it with your own view on it, saying you don't need it.


    Exactly, with MY view. I didn't speak for all the gamers in the world by saying "WE".

    Browser is the LEAST of my concern. Games are number one on my list. Had I said "the least of our concern" or "number one on our list" would be incorrect.

    You can't counter a broad generalisation with just your opinion or idea. To say you don't need a browser on your xbox is one thing, but who to say others wouldn't?
    Which is exactly why I DIDN'T say others wouldn't. I said ME. I was pointing out he said WE, which is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier 95B View Post
    But that is just it. First, the Wii game disks are the same size as the Xbox 360 game disks. Secondly, the Wii-U is using a proprietary 25gb disk, not Blu-ray.



    Exactly, with MY view. I didn't speak for all the gamers in the world by saying "WE".

    Browser is the LEAST of my concern. Games are number one on my list. Had I said "the least of our concern" or "number one on our list" would be incorrect.



    Which is exactly why I DIDN'T say others wouldn't. I said ME. I was pointing out he said WE, which is wrong.
    You did say "We are using entertainment consoles for gaming and video." Some people are using their consoles for more than just gaming and video. Facebook, twitter, etc. which a browser would make easier to use. I like the browser being available. If sony's browser was a little better I'd use it more.
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    I would use the PS3 browser more if it wasn't a portable browser (a PSP browser). If it was Chrome, Firefox, Opera or IE I would probably try to use it...but not that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier 95B View Post
    I would use the PS3 browser more if it wasn't a portable browser (a PSP browser). If it was Chrome, Firefox, Opera or IE I would probably try to use it...but not that much.
    i would use the PS3 browser at all if it was accessible in-game... how many times i switch the tv from PS3 to PC (or use my iphone or ipad) to look at faqs, maps, walkthroughs and stuff... if i could access all that from the PS3 in-game... that would be rad.

    so same applies to 360 to nextbox... allow me to access (IE9? lmao) from in-game and ill be (somewhat) pleased.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier 95B View Post
    But that is just it. First, the Wii game disks are the same size as the Xbox 360 game disks. Secondly, the Wii-U is using a proprietary 25gb disk, not Blu-ray.



    Exactly, with MY view. I didn't speak for all the gamers in the world by saying "WE".

    Browser is the LEAST of my concern. Games are number one on my list. Had I said "the least of our concern" or "number one on our list" would be incorrect.



    Which is exactly why I DIDN'T say others wouldn't. I said ME. I was pointing out he said WE, which is wrong.

    Yup, I'm not up on the Wii-U, but if you looked a little further in my reasoning, you would have picked out where I said "So what I think he is really getting at is the Next Xbox needs to go to Blu-Ray (over DVD - not saying another format type isn't possible)"
    The bolded part essentially covered my butt..haha...At this point, Blu_ray would probably be easier and cheaper than crating their own format.



    And with the other part, I took the point where you said "we are using it for games and video" as well when I addressed the whole "we" issue.

    We clearly either misunderstood what each other meant or just didn't get it to come off properly...


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