Pachter: Without used games, industry will "disintegrate"

[BoyBettaKnow]

I thought my connection was fast. S95B you've made me hate my internet... until September

I can download about 12gb in around 45 minutes

[*goo]

This is such a tired argument that all I'll say is 'Long live freedom of choice, long live used games'.

[Lethal_NFS]

I thought my connection was fast. S95B you've made me hate my internet... until September

I can download about 12gb in around 45 minutes

I can do that on my pc, certainly not on my PS3 though.

[BoyBettaKnow]

Is it a technical restriction with the PS3 or is it just Sony's infrastructure

[Lethal_NFS]

Is it a technical restriction with the PS3 or is it just Sony's infrastructure

I believe Sony put a cap on how fast the download speed is on the PS3.

[Wrath]

I believe Sony put a cap on how fast the download speed is on the PS3.

And why would they do that?

[Soldier 95B]

I would assume XBL and PSN are restricted in order to share bandwidth with millions of people downloading and playing on the service at the same time. The server farms are not Google size in proportions.

[keefy]

Sounds more plausible its a cap on the servers.

What speed can thsoe with fast connections download things off PSN?

all I know is i could max my old 16Mbit (1.5MB/sex) connection out.

[Wrath]

all I know is i could max my old 16Mbit (1.5MB/sex) connection out.

Now that's one hell of an internet connection!

[podsaurus]

The difference is pretty simple, really. You support the gaming industry!

Imagine a scenario where people would start buying used games in higher quantities than new ones. The games industry would die quicker than you could play through Final Fantasy X.

Used products are great in areas like the automotive industry because even with all these used cars on the market, the actual car stores still earn decent amounts of money because of maintenance, upgrades, insurances and the like.

Now going back to the games industry, it is clear that once you bought a game secondhand, the publisher/developer will miss out on 100% of potential revenue. Due that to indie developers for long enough and they are screwed.

In other words, used games are a pain in the ass and people are just too ignorant to realize that.

True very true. I will put out the money for a new game that I really want to buy. But when there are 10 games that come out in a year that you want to play and they're $60 each that's $600. Even if it's only 5 games that's still $300. Maybe this is pocket change for some people but I can't drop that much money.

I just don't have the money for it but I don't think that means I should miss out on something I like to do. But I will gladly pay full price for games I want straight away. Hitman and Dishonored are two games I will preorder for the fall because I want those. There are probably at least five I'll like to get in the fall but with college those two are probably all I'll have time to play anyway.

[squirrelbo1]

People reaction to patcher is great. It's a bit like lens of truth. Only reliable if said person agrees with the conclusion....



Also. I bought mirrors edge for like £5 2 years back. No way I would ever had payed 40 for it

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[*goo]

And why would they do that?

If they did, presumably it's to protect service integrity? More available bandwidth to spread across a wider usergroup?

[Equinoqs]

Used games have allowed mainstream 'gamers' to slowly strangle their own hobby. I buy used copies of rare or out-of-print games, but those who buy used just to save $5, rather than buying new to support good games/developers (especially smaller ones), are not true gamers but are just typical greedy consumers who have a specialty in videogames - which is, unfortunately, probably a majority today.

[Wrath]

Used games have allowed mainstream 'gamers' to slowly strangle their own hobby. I buy used copies of rare or out-of-print games, but those who buy used just to save $5, rather than buying new to support good games/developers (especially smaller ones), are not true gamers but are just typical greedy consumers who have a specialty in videogames - which is, unfortunately, probably a majority today.

Perfectly summarized! +rep

[Soldier 95B]

I buy new 99% of the time to support developers. My choice. I am not preaching that on anyone else though.

[Ghost-Rhayne]

The only 2nd hand games I have I bought abit over a year ago, they were were Demon's Souls (when it was still only in US and Japan), Folklore, Warhawk, Resistance and Uncharted. Since then they have all been new (and I have about 72 retail PS3 games). Buying 2nd hand to save $5 is a slap in the face for the industry who upholds your hobby imho.

[Alpha2]

This is one of the few times Pacter makes any sense at all but he's just repeating what's already been said by everyone else. NO ONE WANTS DOWNLOAD ONLY. The few people that do are elitists that dont care about consumer rights.

Killing the used game market also alienates the companies that actually SELL THE HARDWARE. if MS was to declare no more used games on their next machine Gamestop would either not sell the thing at all or push their opponents that DO allow it more. I dont usually buy used games myself and I'm sure there are dozens of others that would prefer to but if you spend enough time in a game store you see the flow of people that come in looking for a game at like 10 or 15 dollars cheaper than their new price or looking to trade off their old games for credit off of other used games to get it even cheaper. Not everyone can afford brand new, and not every game drops in price quickly or gets price breaks so it's almost a necessity for economic reasons.

[Fon]

This is one of the few times Pacter makes any sense at all but he's just repeating what's already been said by everyone else. NO ONE WANTS DOWNLOAD ONLY. The few people that do are elitists that dont care about consumer rights.

Killing the used game market also alienates the companies that actually SELL THE HARDWARE. if MS was to declare no more used games on their next machine Gamestop would either not sell the thing at all or push their opponents that DO allow it more. I dont usually buy used games myself and I'm sure there are dozens of others that would prefer to but if you spend enough time in a game store you see the flow of people that come in looking for a game at like 10 or 15 dollars cheaper than their new price or looking to trade off their old games for credit off of other used games to get it even cheaper. Not everyone can afford brand new, and not every game drops in price quickly or gets price breaks so it's almost a necessity for economic reasons.

Adding to this logic, used games also help grow awareness for a certain game/franchise. Take this scenario for example; My three friends want to play a game on their consoles so I let them borrow, God of War III(They take turns a day each). After they return the game, two tell me that they enjoyed it. So what happens next?. They either A. Buy their own copy or B. If they finished it then they'll anticipate the next title and become potential consumers for that franchise(Ascension, Collections and Origins).

If used games are blocked and I recommend friends to buy, God of War III, what will happen?. They will be skeptical because they have to pay for the game new. Just my recommendations isn't enough, they have to experience it for themselves. If you give them a free trial then chances are, they will enjoy it and most likely look into the other titles and future releases for that franchise. So when someone says that a used game is a lost sale then they're dead wrong. They create potential consumers for franchises and future titles. All the developer needs to do however is make good games.

[rbrtchng]

I wonder if Pachter has ever heard of Steam...

Do used game sales foster relationships with your customers? Sure. How much is that worth? Probably not as much as Pachter gives credit.

Let me put it this way. Gamers buy games because they're interested in the titles, not because "hey, this publisher let me buy used games last time, so I'll drop $60 just to show support."

If your games are bad, people will not buy them, even if you let your customers trade with each other. Value is based on entertainment (and ads, etc).

Steam doesn't allow used game sales, and that platform has pretty much carried and bolstered the entire PC market.

Video games industry will not disintegrate. People will just be sad and angry, while they wait in line for the next big game.

[TEJ2025]

Used games have allowed mainstream 'gamers' to slowly strangle their own hobby. I buy used copies of rare or out-of-print games, but those who buy used just to save $5, rather than buying new to support good games/developers (especially smaller ones), are not true gamers but are just typical greedy consumers who have a specialty in videogames - which is, unfortunately, probably a majority today.

People who don't buy new games aren't true gamers? That's the biggest piece of shit I've heard in my life. Some people can't afford new games, some parents of kids won't buy kids games that are 60 dollars, and some games just are not worth 60 dollars. Just because you have money to throw at new games doesn't mean the rest of us "true gamers" can or will.

[BoyBettaKnow]

Used games have allowed mainstream 'gamers' to slowly strangle their own hobby. I buy used copies of rare or out-of-print games, but those who buy used just to save $5, rather than buying new to support good games/developers (especially smaller ones), are not true gamers but are just typical greedy consumers who have a specialty in videogames - which is, unfortunately, probably a majority today.

You can't honestly believe the BS that you just posted. Wow.


BBK. Tapatalking.

[Equinoqs]

I totally believe it. However, since you both decided to ignore the part about "those who buy used just to save $5, rather than buying new to support good games/developers", you are forgiven for taking my words wildly out-of-context.

[Minnzy]

I totally believe it. However, since you both decided to ignore the part about "those who buy used just to save $5, rather than buying new to support good games/developers", you are forgiven for taking my words wildly out-of-context.

How do people know who are good game developers? Should they go and buy a game at $110+ and hope for the best?

[MBS D@v!d]

"Supporting the gaming industry"

"developers need us!"

"We have to buy games so they can make more games"



I won't write an essay about how there is no freaking way that the gaming industry will ever die, because it should be too obvious for everybody in my opinion. It's a huge part of the mainstream mass media, and thus... no, I won't go into detail. That's all I say. Gaming has become (on purpose) part of the mainstream mass media. That's why it will never die.
Media influences people's sense of the world, thus influencing their perception, and furthermore influencing what they do. Why this is so important - go find out for yourself.

I like to borrow my games to friends and to borrow games FROM them, and that wouldn't work if used games won't work anymore. That would suck big time.

I always buy new games though, because I want everything sealed, "sterile" (lol) and fresh/new. It must be MINE. I'm collecting games. I have never ever sold a game in my entire life. And I got a huge load of games (lol I said huge load ^^).

[MBS D@v!d]

Used games have allowed mainstream 'gamers' to slowly strangle their own hobby. I buy used copies of rare or out-of-print games, but those who buy used just to save $5, rather than buying new to support good games/developers (especially smaller ones), are not true gamers but are just typical greedy consumers who have a specialty in videogames - which is, unfortunately, probably a majority today.

Greedy? Are you serious?

I always buy new games...
But still - you don't even have a clue WHO'S greedy in this whole "game" we call "capitalism". Or should I say "cartellism"?