Was the bombing of Japan justifed?

[Silver_Knight]

Killing can't or never will be justified. It doesn't matter how you spin it, but unfortunately it must be done because there's no way to get a message across in this case.

[Duff-MaN_]

That's not really the same thing. You're comparing a global terrorist network to that of a nation that was actively fighting the Axis powers. Dropping the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a wake-up call for the Empire of Japan. Like I said before, it's a necessary evil and as much as certain people want to criticize America for being a war-mongering nation, can you imagine what the world would be like if things had played out differently back then?

You define them as a terrorist network presumably because of actions such as killing civilians. Once you use nuclear weapons on a civilian population you lose all moral integrity in my eyes

[Blacksite]

You define them as a terrorist network presumably because of actions such as killing civilians. Once you use nuclear weapons on a civilian population you lose all moral integrity in my eyes

How did you expect things to play out, then? What was the alternative?

[Monte666]

It was a world war their were no civilians everyone in all countries were helping their own war effort. And the war in Iraq is and always be a oil grab

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[DayWalker]

It was a world war their were no civilians everyone in all countries were helping their own war effort.

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what?

[TetanossauroRex]

Of course not. As a japanese descendant, I strongly disagree about the use of WMD.

What happened on Pearl Harbor is called TACTICS. That doesn't justify using Atomic bombs, killing innocents in the process.

[Monte666]

what?

During the war people saved everything they could to donate to the war effort grease metal money ect. Ect. This whole civilian thing didn't exist until the Geneva convention wich didn't come about until after ww2 and if you look Japan was using biological warfare in the Pacific. You ever wondered why asia hates japan do yourself a favor and read some history.

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[DayWalker]

During the war people saved everything they could to donate to the war effort grease metal money ect. Ect. This whole civilian thing didn't exist until the Geneva convention wich didn't come about until after ww2 and if you look Japan was using biological warfare in the Pacific. You ever wondered why asia hates japan do yourself a favor and read some history.

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so the ENTIRE population of Japan, Europe, America, and USSR... were active participants in the war effort eh? men, women, and children, grandparents...thats your argument?

[three3-times]

No need for that Monte666.

[Monte666]

Of course not. As a japanese descendant, I strongly disagree about the use of WMD.

What happened on Pearl Harbor is called TACTICS. That doesn't justify using Atomic bombs, killing innocents in the process.

I call the atomic bomb a uppercut "Deebo you got knocked the fuck out"

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[vladTGS]

War is never justified, people are never satisfied, they always want more power, wealth and well this person said it better:

amabO: " At some point they will force their will upon others to achieve their aims, even if it's forcing others to accept their ideology. Look at the history of the world. It's nothing but nations and kingdoms overunning each other. When someone forces themselves against your will and well being, it's time to fight and destroy them before they destroy you. You cannot reason with a person or people that wants to subdue you. War comes down to a fundamental principle of the natural world: kill or be killed. Like any use of force, wisdom uses temperance and knows at what point to stop without becoming like the enemy."

[Monte666]

so the ENTIRE population of Japan, Europe, America, and USSR... were active participants in the war effort eh? men, women, and children, grandparents...thats your argument?

Yes i do mean exactly that my grandparents helped my dad fought in the navy it was the honorable thing to do. And for everyones information Japan murdered ten million asians during world war 2.

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[Monte666]

No need for that Monte666.

Sorry got carried away

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[DayWalker]

Yes i do mean exactly that my grandparents helped my dad fought in the navy it was the honorable thing to do. And for everyones information Japan murdered ten million asians during world war 2.

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so you vaporize civilians for the actions of the military/government?

...and your family participation in WWII has no barring on the discussion...

[Monte666]

Yes collateral damage if they would have had the opportunity to do the same thing Japan would have. War sucks but you have to fight to win or else you end with police actions and perpetual war

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[DayWalker]

The argument that "our enemies would have done it to us so that means that we can do it" is a flawed one...

Does that mean that Jews can have their own Final Solution against Aryans?

[Cyberblix]

That was then, this is now.

[spyrde]

That was then, this is now.

Dumbest post of the year goes to.....

[Monte666]

The argument that "our enemies would have done it to us so that means that we can do it" is a flawed one...

Does that mean that Jews can have their own Final Solution against Aryans?

Ever hear alls fair in love and war and yes im sure isreal already has a plan for that its called tricking the world into a war in iran
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[squirrelbo1]

Ever hear alls fair in love and war and yes im sure isreal already has a plan for that its called tricking the world into a war in iran
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Lol

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[itachi73378]

People are trying to justify the use of atomic bombs by saying "war is always bad" "there's nothing that could have been done" etc
To me that is just what the guilty say to themselves to feel better.

I strongly disagree with the expression "all is fair in love and war" because that's is not true. Even a hideous thing like war can be won by following set morals and rules and an atomic bomb defies all of those.

[Blacksite]

And yet no one wants to give an alternative to the use of the atomic bombs.

[DayWalker]

And yet no one wants to give an alternative to the use of the atomic bombs.

... not sure what you are talking about...

this debate is hardly new... and there have been plenty of suggested alternatives... but as numerous posters have suggested... hindsight is 20/20... and there may have been circumstances that made said alternatives ineffective...

you don't know. I don't know.
but maybe...

[itachi73378]

And yet no one wants to give an alternative to the use of the atomic bombs.

What?!
Are you saying the war couldn't be won with out atomic bombs? BullSh*t
All you had to do was to make the enemy run out of resources before you do. If they are aggressive, they will run out faster.

It's evident that USA didn't JUST wanted to win. They wanted to boast about it too, no matter the cost. Instant vaporisation of innocent civilians just to send a message?! That's low no matter how you look at it. and I'm not bitiching about US, anyone who wreaks that kind off havock has no justification what so ever.

[Rapture]

What?!Are you saying the war couldn't be won with out atomic bombs? BullSh*t

He didn't say that.

All you had to do was to make the enemy run out of resources before you do. If they are aggressive, they will run out faster.

Japan's waters were already blocked and many of the military ports and bases were already gone, yet the Japanese people continued to stand and engage in a futile war. Japan was self-sufficient in several aspects at the time, such as food, so the only way to end the war would have been an invasion. Arguably so this would have extended the war for years and likely lead to more deaths than the bombs did.

It's evident that USA didn't JUST wanted to win. They wanted to boast about it too, no matter the cost. Instant vaporisation of innocent civilians just to send a message?! That's low no matter how you at it. and I'm not bitiching about US, anyone who wreaks that kind off havock has no justification what so ever.

I don't see what there was to boast about. The US warned the Japanese that they were to evacuate the city and the weapon was dropped only after hesitation. It was used to quickly and decisively end World War 2 - which it surely accomplished - and also to see the effects of the bomb on a city. Even after the first nuclear weapon was dropped Japan instigated martial law and was still prepared to fight -- it was clear that Japan would have fought to the end had the bombs not been used.