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    Do you expect PSN and XBL to be comparable next gen?

    Historically speaking, PSN played catch up from day one with XBL, in terms of functionality, Sony originally had absolutly no infrastructure in place.
    Truth be told they still dont today, it entirley up devs how they create their online experience. Thats has some positives, it all has some drawbacks.

    In terms of the O/S infrasturcture, PSN is of course miles better than it once was.

    With the next gen, people are assuming features will be in place form the get go, such as the ability for cross game chat etc.
    In other words, the O/S will take over a large chunk of functionality.

    The quesiton for now is...

    If Sony launch PSN, with comparable features to XBL as it stand on the console only. Will you be happy enough?

    Given where MS is going with Smartglass/ apps conectivity, are you going to be happy with just Cross game chat , some Vita interaciton and a website?

    Would you like to see Sony take over more control over indiividual game servers so they can implement more remote funtionality?

    Or would you just be happy with cross game chat?

    What we are talking about is the differnece between, say a game voluntary allowing control from say a vita, because the devs opted to put it in, or the O/S allowing it on every game, becuase it a fundamental building block of the system.
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    they are pretty comparable now. I think next gen will be the same more or less. Whoever launches first might have a slight edge in the beginning but overall it will be the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by btbam View Post
    they are pretty comparable now. I think next gen will be the same more or less. Whoever launches first might have a slight edge in the beginning but overall it will be the same.
    Right now, XBL is going through a very quite revoution, and it is one that is going to make it a more connected network, way beyond your joypad and console.
    While it may not seem very significant right now, the ability to flex its muscle becuase it completly owns the platform DNA of XBL is a far cry form the voluntary business you have on the PS3.

    Being open, very much limits what Sony can do and integrate into third party offerings. They could take "options" and make them "features" in the future, if they integrate more of its abilities into the O/S.
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    Quote Originally Posted by btbam View Post
    they are pretty comparable now. I think next gen will be the same more or less. Whoever launches first might have a slight edge in the beginning but overall it will be the same.
    No they aren't. Even if Sony launches first, they still won't have a slight edge unless they build out their infrastructure world wide. Not going to happen.




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    One will always have the upper hand in some sort of way so I'd say somewhat comparable.

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    They sort of are now.

    I don't see any real disadvantages, and quite frankly - the differences reek of buyer's justification and placebo effect. Apart from the famed Cross game chat of course.

    In regards to MS Surface, I think it can easily be countered with a Sony Android Tablet running PS Portable Certification. TBH, both will likely have their pros/cons (but what products don't, right? ).

    Almost kind of redundant to ask.

    Really, for anyone to wish that they aren't going to be comparable, is negatively hopeful and fanboyish.


    The way I see it, and based on your responses so far; you're only really asking in order to say that Sony won't be comparable (i.e. be sub-par). Which I find odd.

    Oh well, c'est la vie I suppose, no biggie. I'm sure you'll find some way to twist it (I'm betting on it!) anyway.
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    Next gen Sony will have its unified SEN in place (music, movies, games on one account on PS3, PS4, PSP, PSV, smartphones, tablets and TV) and then of course there is Gaikai which is clearly going to play a major role in Sony's next gen infrastructure. Vita already has the community aspect that PS3 lacks including XGC. I can't really see how that side of things can be improved, other than having the ability to video chat with friends while gaming lol. So yeah, they will be more or less comparable next gen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by admartian View Post
    They sort of are now.

    I don't see any real disadvantages, and quite frankly - the differences reek of buyer's justification and placebo effect. Apart from the famed Cross game chat of course.

    In regards to MS Surface, I think it can easily be countered with a Sony Android Tablet running PS Portable Certification. TBH, both will likely have their pros/cons (but what products don't, right? ).

    Almost kind of redundant to ask.

    Really, for anyone to wish that they aren't going to be comparable, is negatively hopeful and fanboyish.


    The way I see it, and based on your responses so far; you're only really asking in order to say that Sony won't be comparable (i.e. be sub-par). Which I find odd.

    Oh well, c'est la vie I suppose, no biggie. I'm sure you'll find some way to twist it (I'm betting on it!) anyway.
    I dont think you quite get differences, which is understandable because the front end side of things doesnt really look and feel that different.

    It is perhaps best left at that. If you dont understand the differences, then you cant really weigh in on the discussion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost-Rhayne View Post
    Next gen Sony will have its unified SEN in place (music, movies, games on one account on PS3, PS4, PSP, PSV, smartphones, tablets and TV) and then of course there is Gaikai which is clearly going to play a major role in Sony's next gen infrastructure. Vita already has the community aspect that PS3 lacks including XGC. I can't really see how that side of things can be improved, other than having the ability to video chat with friends while gaming lol. So yeah, they will be more or less comparable next gen.
    So you think they will go for a more unified apporach? WIth the O/S doing most of the work? Do you think they will close the network for the PS4?
    This would allow for them to charge, which they may or may not do.
    But it also would allow much more control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    So you think they will go for a more unified apporach? Do you think they will close the network for the PS4?
    This would allow for them to charge, which they may or may not do.
    But it also would allow much more control.
    I dont think, I know! Sony have been working up to this for years. They will keep it open too, I don't think they want the rigid restrictions that MSs closed system imposes. There was an article recently that said that Sony was actually making PSN more open to accommodate Dust 514 and other such ventures n the future. I also don't think they will charge, MS is the onyl gaming platform to do that, they are the exception, not the norm. PSN/SEN will remain free but they will probably have a sub service that offers badass bells and whistles.

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    There is nothing that makes PSN significantly crippled compared to XBL. Majority of psn gamers don't even use mics to benefit from cross game chat. PS plus has started kicking ass with its new free game offerings. Gaikai's acquisition by Sony is sure to bring great things like backwards compatibility and ps3 games on the go (cloud streaming to sony devices).

    The ONLY thing XBL has on PSN right now is the number of apps

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost-Rhayne View Post
    I dont think, I know! Sony have been working up to this for years. They will keep it open too, I don't think they want the rigid restrictions that MSs closed system imposes. There was an article recently that said that Sony was actually making PSN more open to accommodate Dust 514 and other such ventures n the future. I also don't think they will charge, MS is the onyl gaming platform to do that, they are the exception, not the norm. PSN/SEN will remain free but they will probably have a sub service that offers badass bells and whistles.
    What about a more integrated O/S support.
    Building that into the next O/S would mean things like remote play would just happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    What about a more integrated O/S support.
    Building that into the next O/S would mean things like remote play would just happen.
    Yeah I think this is an option, although remote play is already possible, I think this approach would definitely help. MS are in an interesting position in this regard (integrated O/S i mean), especially if the rumored W8 integration happens, which is highly likely. But yeah, I think we will see a lot more parity in basic features next gen, but both Sony and MS will be doing their own thing which will offer a different kind of differentiation next gen. Both companies have some mighty nice cards up their sleeves so it will be interesting to see what pans out.
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    History tells us that sony will most likely be playing catch up again in this area. I see no reason why Microsoft won't have the edge again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    History tells us that sony will most likely be playing catch up again in this area. I see no reason why Microsoft won't have the edge again.
    Sony has already caught up on Vita...And it's for free. I know some people here desperately want Sony to have a less than comparable service but it is already quite clear that they have more than enough up their sleeve and have learned enough lessons not to fall behind next gen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost-Rhayne View Post
    Sony has already caught up on Vita...And it's for free. I know some people here desperately want Sony to have a less than comparable service but it is already quite clear that they have more than enough up their sleeve and have learned enough lessons not to fall behind next gen.
    That's exactly what I said, "catch up". If MS beats them out of the gate again, its a strong possibility that its infrastructure will remain superior. Xbox live is partly responsible for its strong marketshare. I don't see Microsoft giving up that advantage anytime soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    That's exactly what I said, "catch up". If MS beats them out of the gate again, its a strong possibility that its infrastructure will remain superior. Xbox live is partly responsible for its strong marketshare. I don't see Microsoft giving up that advantage anytime soon.
    By what logic do you deduct that releasing first equates to having a superior infrastructure? What is it that makes up a strong online experience? XCG/messaging/communication, ease of matchmaking and joining friends in game, leaderboards etc. I can't think of anything else that will improve the multiplayer aspect of next gen gaming beyond that. MS has this with the 360, Sony has it with Vita. Sony dropped the ball with the PS3 but that mistake has been dealt with moving forward. What will really differentiate the online experience next gen is not the MP features, but the additional features offered in terms of entertainment, and how you are able to connect with and interact with your PSN/SEN and XBL accounts etc. In this regard both companies have their own thing going on. If Sony offer up all the features that MS has now, but for free as they have with Vita, then MS is going to have to step up their game with their online experience...But again, I can't think of anything outside of what we have already that can be built upon.

    Well time will tell, but I don't think looking to the past is the best indication of the future, I think the present paints a much clearer picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost-Rhayne View Post
    By what logic do you deduct that releasing first equates to having a superior infrastructure? What is it that makes up a strong online experience? XCG/messaging/communication, ease of matchmaking and joining friends in game, leaderboards etc. I can't think of anything else that will improve the multiplayer aspect of next gen gaming beyond that. MS has this with the 360, Sony has it with Vita. Sony dropped the ball with the PS3 but that mistake has been dealt with moving forward. What will really differentiate the online experience next gen is not the MP features, but the additional features offered in terms of entertainment, and how you are able to connect with and interact with your PSN/SEN and XBL accounts etc. In this regard both companies have their own thing going on. If Sony offer up all the features that MS has now, but for free as they have with Vita, then MS is going to have to step up their game with their online experience...But again, I can't think of anything outside of what we have already that can be built upon.

    Well time will tell, but I don't think looking to the past is the best indication of the future, I think the present paints a much clearer picture.
    The reason PSN continues to be free is that Sony hasn't put together all of the pieces like MS has and built the behind the scenes infrastructure to make it all work.

    It is a HUGE investment, and one Sony will have to find funding for, i.e. pay to play if they are to go toe to toe with XBL for features and connectivity. It isn't just about XGC or another solitary feature. Your Gamertag is like an online presence. It permeates everything MS if you want. Sony simply does not have that.

    All my opinion of course, but I still believe if Sony majorly overhauls PSN to step up to XBL, we will see a subscription model for online play.

    But yes, I DO expect them to be closer to equal, but I DO expect to be charged on Sony's side for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuguy View Post
    The reason PSN continues to be free is that Sony hasn't put together all of the pieces like MS has and built the behind the scenes infrastructure to make it all work.

    It is a HUGE investment, and one Sony will have to find funding for, i.e. pay to play if they are to go toe to toe with XBL for features and connectivity. It isn't just about XGC or another solitary feature. Your Gamertag is like an online presence. It permeates everything MS if you want. Sony simply does not have that.

    All my opinion of course, but I still believe if Sony majorly overhauls PSN to step up to XBL, we will see a subscription model for online play.

    But yes, I DO expect them to be closer to equal, but I DO expect to be charged on Sony's side for it.
    Out of curiosity, other than the things I mentioned (XGC, match making etc), what else does XBL offer that makes it the superior service? also, what do you mean your gamertag permeates everything MS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost-Rhayne View Post
    Out of curiosity, other than the things I mentioned (XGC, match making etc), what else does XBL offer that makes it the superior service? also, what do you mean your gamertag permeates everything MS?
    You can check your account, register your avatar with certain sites, compare profiles, games, achievements, etc.. all from your PC. You can go to XBOX.com, load up your download list, purchase titles etc.. all to be downloaded when you get home (or start if your box is on). Your gamertag is an identity. Not just a logo on the PSN. The XBL is so popular as the gaming community it is DESPITE the pay to play, because it is unified. Hard to explain to haters and people who don't use it, but you just get the sense of the reach of where your online persona is.

    For me, XBL is a superior service also because it has things my family uses a lot. Gold allows me to use my Netflix account, Hulu, etc.. all things I also use on PC, but if I am sitting in my gaming area, I can use them without worry. The service is also more reliable in terms of game connectivity despite not being dedicated servers.

    Technically speaking - XBL has much smaller file size updates. They also don't come every three weeks it seems like the PS3 does. XBL, as a service AT MY HOUSE (can't speak for others) runs light years faster than the PSN. Fewer updates, all downloads can be background downloaded (some select titles can't on PSN), no games on XBLA or demos, etc.. require an install. You just download and play.

    The number of arcade titles and indie games you can get access to on XBL is a big plus in my household as well. Being able to try EVERY XBLA title, not a demo, before you buy is awesome.

    So for me, after having been exposed to both consoles for this entire gen (been a multi console owner the entire time) I can say that fun factor, functionality, reliability and title availablility all are far ahead on XBL over PSN, for what i use the systems for. I can also tell you that with my experience with PSN it is a lot harder to join in and find games, even harder to hook up with friends.

    So before you go on a little tirade about "well PSN can do this, and PSN can do that, and PSN WILL do this ... " I will snap you off and say, right now, my experience, my opinion is PSN is like an antiquated, cold, lifeless system that is free to play and functional. It is not inviting, it is not unified, it is not fun. Having had to review several games for PSU and test the online, this is how it feels to me. Most games just give me a server time out. Pisses me off, I go to XBL and I am in playing MW3 in a matter of seconds.

    You like PSN more, I already know, so I am just stating my opinion and in no way is it fact, nor should anyone take it as that.

    We are not talking about PS4 and PSN, as I know that will be a different ballgame, and may solve some of my complaints, but not without cost to us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuguy View Post
    You can check your account, register your avatar with certain sites, compare profiles, games, achievements, etc.. all from your PC. You can go to XBOX.com, load up your download list, purchase titles etc.. all to be downloaded when you get home (or start if your box is on). Your gamertag is an identity. Not just a logo on the PSN. The XBL is so popular as the gaming community it is DESPITE the pay to play, because it is unified. Hard to explain to haters and people who don't use it, but you just get the sense of the reach of where your online persona is.

    For me, XBL is a superior service also because it has things my family uses a lot. Gold allows me to use my Netflix account, Hulu, etc.. all things I also use on PC, but if I am sitting in my gaming area, I can use them without worry. The service is also more reliable in terms of game connectivity despite not being dedicated servers.

    Technically speaking - XBL has much smaller file size updates. They also don't come every three weeks it seems like the PS3 does. XBL, as a service AT MY HOUSE (can't speak for others) runs light years faster than the PSN. Fewer updates, all downloads can be background downloaded (some select titles can't on PSN), no games on XBLA or demos, etc.. require an install. You just download and play.

    The number of arcade titles and indie games you can get access to on XBL is a big plus in my household as well. Being able to try EVERY XBLA title, not a demo, before you buy is awesome.

    So for me, after having been exposed to both consoles for this entire gen (been a multi console owner the entire time) I can say that fun factor, functionality, reliability and title availablility all are far ahead on XBL over PSN, for what i use the systems for. I can also tell you that with my experience with PSN it is a lot harder to join in and find games, even harder to hook up with friends.
    So before you go on a little tirade about "well PSN can do this, and PSN can do that, and PSN WILL do this ... " I will snap you off and say, right now, my experience, my opinion is PSN is like an antiquated, cold, lifeless system that is free to play and functional. It is not inviting, it is not unified, it is not fun. Having had to review several games for PSU and test the online, this is how it feels to me. Most games just give me a server time out. Pisses me off, I go to XBL and I am in playing MW3 in a matter of seconds.

    You like PSN more, I already know, so I am just stating my opinion and in no way is it fact, nor should anyone take it as that.

    We are not talking about PS4 and PSN, as I know that will be a different ballgame, and may solve some of my complaints, but not without cost to us.
    Actually, given the name of the thread, that is EXACTLY what we are talking about. I have already stated that Sony dropped the ball this gen. Aside from this ability to compare your trophies with friends via PC and set up your downloads, there is no major differences. Not having a Vita, you won't have experienced much of the advancements that Sony has made in the online experience. All I have stated in this thread is that the things that people raise the most regarding this gen have been addressed in Vita, and that with Sony's unified SEN and Gaikai purchase, it is highly likely that next gen will be more or less comparable.

    Your other points, Hulu, updates, and indie games are kind of irrelevant to this discussion. My updates are fine and PS3 has hulu and netflix etc
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    By what logic do you deduct that releasing first equates to having a superior infrastructure? What is it that makes up a strong online experience? XCG/messaging/communication, ease of matchmaking and joining friends in game, leaderboards etc. I can't think of anything else that will improve the multiplayer aspect of next gen gaming beyond that. MS has this with the 360, Sony has it with Vita. Sony dropped the ball with the PS3 but that mistake has been dealt with moving forward. What will really differentiate the online experience next gen is not the MP features, but the additional features offered in terms of entertainment, and how you are able to connect with and interact with your PSN/SEN and XBL accounts etc. In this regard both companies have their own thing going on. If Sony offer up all the features that MS has now, but for free as they have with Vita, then MS is going to have to step up their game with their online experience...But again, I can't think of anything outside of what we have already that can be built upon.

    Well time will tell, but I don't think looking to the past is the best indication of the future, I think the present paints a much clearer picture.
    There is really no need for me to go into detail since someone has already mentioned certain things in their response to your post. I will say this though, xbox live isn't only about multi-player gaming. Things like having a more polished dash board, better community support, and better overall presentation is really what sets it apart from PSN. Now, throw in all the next gen possibilities with windows 8, surface technology, skype, and Kinect2, it should make the experience even better. Not saying that sony won't have improvements but I really don't see them beating Microsoft at their own game.

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    Aside from this ability to compare your trophies with friends via PC and set up your downloads, there is no major differences.
    Just not true. There are MANY major differences and cuguy pointed them out. Let's not even get started on the XBL parental controls. PSN doesn't even know what those are.

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    Achievements IT'S OVER 9000!
    Simple fact.

    Is isn't PSN, so Ghost won't like it,.. no matter what we say.

    So, I'm outtie.
    LMAO

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