Florida man shoots door-to-door salesman dead for 'trespassing'

[claud3]

Florida man shoots door-to-door salesman dead for 'trespassing'

[COLOR=#999999 !important]Roop claims he became scared because the salesman was approaching his house, so he pulled out his gun and fired.
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TAGS: Arms, Crime, Law, USA
A door-to-door lobster salesman was shot dead this week when an attempt to peddle his wares at a Cape Coral, Florida home ended in tragedy.
Nicholas Rainey, 30, was shot and killed Wednesday afternoon in the driveway of 52-year-old Kenneth Bailey Roop during what authorities think was meant to be a routine sales pitch. Rainey was going door to door trying to sell frozen lobster tails and meat for his employer, Blue Ribbon Steak and Seafood, when he was shot.
According to a testimony given by Roop to Cape Coral Police, the homeowner yelled “What are you doing in my yard?”when the salesman approached his house. Rainey allegedly responded, “I’m here with the meat.”
Roop’s testimony, as reported by local NBC 2 News, alleges that Rainey's tone of voice, attitude and demeanor made the shooter nervous. Roop claims he became scared because the salesman was approaching his house, so he pulled out his gun and fired.
Roop adds that he fired a second time, aiming at Rainey’s head, “for effect.”
A neighbor of Roop was nearby during the shooting and said he tried to assist Rainey but it was too late.
“I went to bend over to help the guy on the ground, the victim, and out of the garage I heard something: ‘I’ll kill everybody or shoot everybody,’” former firefighter and neighbor Gene Snyder tells News-Press.
Snyder says the suspected shooter began screaming from a nearby shed and cocked his gun.
“When he came out of the garage, he looked totally deranged to me,” he says. “He looked like he was off the deep end.”
Sgt. Kristin Shiner, an off-duty Collier County corrections deputy was on the scene, however, and managed to bring Roop to the ground. The incident almost didn’t end there, though. According to Snyder, the accused shooter threatened to open fire on everyone else at the scene.
“He was telling the officer, ‘he stepped on my property, he trespassed, I’ll kill anybody that steps on my property,’ somewhere along them lines. It was just unbelievable,” Snyder recalls.
Sgt. Shiner says she had to hold Roof at gunpoint until patrol cars could be dispatched to the scene; it was her first time drawing her weapon in the nine years she has served the sheriff’s office.
"It was a first time – it was necessary," she said. "Whether I'm on duty or off duty, I'm still there to protect and serve the public,” Sgt. Shiner tells the Pine Island Eagle.
Under a controversial “Stand Your Ground” law in Florida and select other states, lethal force is permitted in instances where one can argue that they’re being threatened. Under that defense fellow Floridian George Zimmerman managed to avoid being charged in the February 2012 death of teenager Trayvon Martin until authorities indicted him weeks later. Authorities say Roop may attempt the same defense.
“Until all the facts are known, it would be premature to discuss how stand your ground law applies to this particular incident,” Cape Police Chief Jay Murphy tells News-Press.

Roop appeared in court on Thursday and was charged with homicide murder dangerous depraved without premeditation in the death. The State Attorney’s Office ordered that he be held without bond

"due to the serious nature of the crime."

Link: http://rt.com/usa/news/florida-door-...ouse-roop-265/

I just wonder were it stops

[Kuro]

Wow man..

[DeviousOne]

they are always doing stupid in South Florida smh

[THUGGEDOUT]

Talk about being crabby, to a guy selling lobster. In all seriousness, couldn't he have at least fired off a warning shot?

[Yuuichi]

Yeah it was local for me. The guy didn't even say anything and the man shot him. The guy shot him for trespassing. Just another dumb ass that is like "zomg I know my RIGHTS!!!"

[claud3]

Well, i am glad i live in a country were you only get shot for stealing a car or selling drugs

[DayWalker]

"law abiding citizen"

[DeviousOne]

Unless his HOA specifys there is NO soliciting then hes F'ed in the A in FL

[claud3]

its the rule, right to shot if you feel threatened. But in this case

That does not stand up as a reason for doing this

[DeviousOne]

Florida has seriously been in the news for stupid shit too much this year. CMON!

[Lethal_NFS]

All of this could have been avoided he the home owner purchased a $1.99 sign that said, "No Solicitors"

[DeviousOne]

All of this could have been avoided he the home owner purchased a $1.99 sign that said, "No Solicitors"

Bingo!

[claud3]

well i look upon it as another day in the U.S world of guns, people and stupid choices

[Vulgotha]

well i look upon it as another day in the U.S world of guns, people and stupid choices

Yea, because Britain is a paradise right? Give me a break man.

You chaps are no better off in any way, in fact last I recall you're doing slightly worse than we are overall concerning violent crime, muggings and break ins.

You're buying far too much into the dogma that your state and the leftists in general are peddling concerning firearms. Extensive studies show that there is actually almost zero correlation between legalized firearms and crime rates. There is something minute, like -.07 correlation, so crime slightly decreases by less than 1% if people are armed.

Point is, guns don't do anything by themselves. Period end of discussion. I'm not kidding, go read some of the studies. They all overwhelmingly reject the notion that an armed populace leads to higher crime. It's a myth, and a pathetic one.

So by all means, keep quoting anecdotal evidence. Every time somebody gets shot or a tragic shooting happens go and bang on the wardrum that making weapons illegal would somehow have prevented these things from happening.

-Criminals will still find access to firearms (many get ahold of automatics.. Hm, that's odd isn't it?)

-People will make do with knives, bats, alcohol bottles and over the counter chemicals to make explosives.


I mean, if I were to be like you for a day and make threads like this- I'd start posting threads about gun related homicides in the UK. Like that kid with the sawed off shotgun that blew apart some lady in a public place.

But, see, that "doesn't count" because by in large gun related crimes (read: not all crime, just ones with guns) are rare in the UK and is anecdotal. Rightfully so! I'm taking something out of overall context and blowing it up to be bigger than it really is.

As an aside, more deaths are caused per year by automobiles and doctors than firearms.

Here's some enlightening information about your "gun free" country:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/uk-kn...-records-began

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8161880.stm

http://www.insight-security.com/fact...rime-stats.htm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...tas-study.html

I'm coming down hard on you in this thread because you've been making similar statements in others anywhere gun related crime is mentioned.

[F34R]

So... here are the facts about the death:

A door-to-door lobster salesman was shot dead this week

Nicholas Rainey, 30, was shot and killed Wednesday afternoon in the driveway of 52-year-old Kenneth Bailey Roop

Yet, all the comments about the guy here... smh

[Dave-The-Rave]

I hate door to door people.

[DeviousOne]

People who take jobs like that have no other choice or are very desparate they annoy me they do not deserve to get killed like this buy some crazy old man!

[claud3]

Yea, because Britain is a paradise right? Give me a break man.

You chaps are no better off in any way, in fact last I recall you're doing slightly worse than we are overall concerning violent crime, muggings and break ins.

You're buying far too much into the dogma that your state and the leftists in general are peddling concerning firearms. Extensive studies show that there is actually almost zero correlation between legalized firearms and crime rates. There is something minute, like -.07 correlation, so crime slightly decreases by less than 1% if people are armed.

Point is, guns don't do anything by themselves. Period end of discussion. I'm not kidding, go read some of the studies. They all overwhelmingly reject the notion that an armed populace leads to higher crime. It's a myth, and a pathetic one.

So by all means, keep quoting anecdotal evidence. Every time somebody gets shot or a tragic shooting happens go and bang on the wardrum that making weapons illegal would somehow have prevented these things from happening.

-Criminals will still find access to firearms (many get ahold of automatics.. Hm, that's odd isn't it?)

-People will make do with knives, bats, alcohol bottles and over the counter chemicals to make explosives.


I mean, if I were to be like you for a day and make threads like this- I'd start posting threads about gun related homicides in the UK. Like that kid with the sawed off shotgun that blew apart some lady in a public place.

But, see, that "doesn't count" because by in large gun related crimes (read: not all crime, just ones with guns) are rare in the UK and is anecdotal. Rightfully so! I'm taking something out of overall context and blowing it up to be bigger than it really is.

As an aside, more deaths are caused per year by automobiles and doctors than firearms.

Here's some enlightening information about your "gun free" country:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/uk-kn...-records-began

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8161880.stm

http://www.insight-security.com/fact...rime-stats.htm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...tas-study.html

I'm coming down hard on you in this thread because you've been making similar statements in others anywhere gun related crime is mentioned.

Look i am not saying that. I live in belfast northern ireland and believe me, i rather be knee capped then shoot dead

[TRF]

Frozen lobster tails are deadly weapons. I'd shoot him too before he could throw one and nail me between the eyes.


Tapatalking from my bed. Ya mutha says hi.

[-Kwesnoth-]

Very odd things do tend to happen in Florida.

[mickice]

I'm glad I live in a country where if I tresspass on someones lawn they 99% wont have a gun xD

[mooninites]

We know nothing about this case so I'll put my judgment off til we find out more.

Florida has been in the spotlight lately tho. What's going on down there

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[Fon]

Look i am not saying that. I live in belfast northern ireland and believe me, i rather be knee capped then shoot dead

The way you worded it made it sound like we are not responsible with guns. I'll take, Vulgotha's post as relevant to this topic since we always get that member who will find ways to degrade us. I'm not pointing fingers by the way.

On topic: Like, Lethal_NFS said, the homeowner could have bought a sign to prevent this tragedy. The salesman was just doing his job, while they are indeed annoying(To me), they don't deserve this, ever.

[F34R]

The way you worded it made it sound like we are not responsible with guns. I'll take, Vulgotha's post as relevant to this topic since we always get that member who will find ways to degrade us. I'm not pointing fingers by the way.

On topic: Like, Lethal_NFS said, the homeowner could have bought a sign to prevent this tragedy. The salesman was just doing his job, while they are indeed annoying(To me), they don't deserve this, ever.

Yeah, but you really don't know what even happened here, other than he shot someone, and that person died. There's no way of saying that a sign for no sales, etc., would have changed what happened

[claud3]

Swell,

We can agree that its just another day in america