Florida man shoots door-to-door salesman dead for 'trespassing'

[keefy]

Trespass laws actually seem to help the home owner in the USA.

[F34R]

Trespass laws actually seem to help the home owner in the USA.

This salesman shouldn't even have went into this guys yard, period. This "lunatic" has "NO TRESPASSING" signs in his yard already.

[BoyBettaKnow]

Trespass laws actually seem to help the home owner in the USA.

Yeah, we are SOL unless we are upstairs or they are armed. Look how long that farmer took to get his innocence proven. Or the guy with the machete who killed an intruder.

If someone is threatening to kill you or harm your family or steal from your house i believe you should have immunity - Killing a guy for knocking on your door though. That I can't agree with.

[keefy]

I was just pointing out it is in the home owners favour which is good.
We have trespass signs too but in a case like this it would most likely be classed as civil trespass.
Also we have to make sure the trespasser is nice and safe so that means no shooting or for example the trespasser trips up and breaks a leg I would be liable.

Thats how fucked up it is.

[F34R]

Yeah, we are SOL unless we are upstairs or they are armed. Look how long that farmer took to get his innocence proven. Or the guy with the machete who killed an intruder.

If someone is threatening to kill you or harm your family or steal from your house i believe you should have immunity - Killing a guy for knocking on your door though. That I can't agree with.

If there isn't any other circumstance involved, and it's a door knock, I agree with you. However, that's not what happened here.

[DeviousOne]

Just because you READ about all these shooting doesnt make it a common occurence. Its such a small % of crazy people in this world but they get 95% of media coverage!

[bash]

I feel equally bad for those that think shooting isn't an option.

How can you even say that? It doesn't matter if the guy has a sign on his yard, it's utterly retarded to shoot someone over something like this. I don't even know how someone can live with themselves after shooting someone for coming on their lawn.

[DeviousOne]

For all we know this guy couldve been hopped up on perscription meds and was already out of his mind?

[F34R]

How can you even say that? It doesn't matter if the guy has a sign on his yard, it's utterly retarded to shoot someone over something like this. I don't even know how someone can live with themselves after shooting someone for coming on their lawn.

I didn't say anything about shooting should be an option because the guy is in his yard.

Look, there were comments already that said if he had signs in his yard, this wouldn't have happened. There were signs in his yard. This still happened.

Its utterly retarded to shoot someone over something like this? You don't have any idea what "this" was about. You assume since the news hasn't said anything, it isn't a part of the incident?

[-Kwesnoth-]

Its always funny how people assume that since its not in the story, it didn't happen.

[DeviousOne]

At the end of the day fatcs that arent in the stroy your arguing assumptions

[Bigdoggy]

meh, businesses that have salesmen going door to door, if there are signs in the yard but no physical threat was made, but the still disobeyed the fact that it said no trespassing, there should be a fine and the money or at least 70 to 80% should go to the property owner. However, if anyone agrees with the actions of this man or "it's the law" type of crap, you might as well live back in the caveman times. right now it's 2012 and people need to really start using their brains and common sense on what should actually be done. I am in favor of guns, I am in favor of no trespassing signs, I am not in favor of shooting an unarmed man or a man posing no physical threat even though he stepped on a yard that said "no trespassing". but this all comes down to the state and their laws. some states are dumb while others actually use a brain cell. lol

if it's not in the story then how would you know what happened, if you are telling me this and this happened then I assume you lived nextdoor to the person?

regardless, this discussion is going by what the story said, not what could have happened or could have potentially happened o.O

[F34R]

meh, businesses that have salesmen going door to door, if there are signs in the yard but no physical threat was made, but the still disobeyed the fact that it said no trespassing, there should be a fine and the money or at least 70 to 80% should go to the property owner. However, if anyone agrees with the actions of this man or "it's the law" type of crap, you might as well live back in the caveman times. right now it's 2012 and people need to really start using their brains and common sense on what should actually be done. I am in favor of guns, I am in favor of no trespassing signs, I am not in favor of shooting an unarmed man or a man posing no physical threat even though he stepped on a yard that said "no trespassing". but this all comes down to the state and their laws. some states are dumb while others actually use a brain cell. lol

if it's not in the story then how would you know what happened, if you are telling me this and this happened then I assume you lived nextdoor to the person?

regardless, this discussion is going by what the story said, not what could have happened or could have potentially happened o.O

Oh I agree to a point. However, just writing the incident off to let it agree with your opinion on it doesn't make it too much legit.

[BoyBettaKnow]

Its always funny how people assume that since its not in the story, it didn't happen.

And pulling things out of thin air is any less funny?

[keefy]

Thing about news in the USA they can and do skew the truth which is why alot of AMErican members here and elsewhere don't take the news at face value and class it as opinion and often biased one way (politically) or another which is a sorry situation.
There are guidelines and rules to stop this happening in UK and Canada.

[BoyBettaKnow]

Is there no unbiased news in America? Surely there must be a source for news that just wants to give, well, the news?

[DeviousOne]

if someone doesnt die or if it doesnt get a reaction its not NEWS apparently

[admartian]

Guys STOP ARGUING! They're Yanks. You know the deal - you'll never get anywhere.

"ooh. did someone who's trying to do their job (not even being threatening) just die? oh well, so long as we can still carry guns I'll continue to try and justify it"

Again, my point wasn't really about carrying guns or not (as he was in his home) - but what about fucking DISCRETION?"​

Gun toting hillbillies: SEE 'Discretion'

[radgamer420]

Guys STOP ARGUING! They're Yanks. You know the deal - you'll never get anywhere. "ooh. did someone who's trying to do their job (not even being threatening) just die? oh well, so long as we can still carry guns I'll continue to try and justify it" Again, my point wasn't really about carrying guns or not (as he was in his home) - but what about fucking DISCRETION?"​ Gun toting hillbillies: SEE 'Discretion'

Yeah because NZ is a nirvana of peace. lol http://emigratetonewzealand.wordpres...t-in-the-oecd/ and also this report. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10634799

[reasonable_doubt]

if you're Outside you could Shoot in the Air,inside you could shoot at a Wall as the Plaster/Wood ,would absorb the Bullet, if it's a Brick wall then you could shoot it low enough angle for any Ricochet to be less Lethal (Assuming you had enough Time and was at a safe distance from harm)

im no Gun Expert but how many times does a Bullet Ricochet of a hard Surface Once/Twice ???

and go to jail afterwards.

If someone is threatening to kill you or harm your family or steal from your house i believe you should have immunity - Killing a guy for knocking on your door though. That I can't agree with.

alot of home invasion start with a knock on the door.

[MATRIX 2]

if you're Outside you could Shoot in the Air,inside you could shoot at a Wall as the Plaster/Wood ,would absorb the Bullet, if it's a Brick wall then you could shoot it low enough angle for any Ricochet to be less Lethal (Assuming you had enough Time and was at a safe distance from harm)

im no Gun Expert but how many times does a Bullet Ricochet of a hard Surface Once/Twice ???

Go tell that to a cop/lawyer/judge and see what happens.

Is there no unbiased news in America? Surely there must be a source for news that just wants to give, well, the news?

There is no unbiased news anywhere.

Guys STOP ARGUING! They're Yanks. You know the deal - you'll never get anywhere.

"ooh. did someone who's trying to do their job (not even being threatening) just die? oh well, so long as we can still carry guns I'll continue to try and justify it"

Again, my point wasn't really about carrying guns or not (as he was in his home) - but what about fucking DISCRETION?"​

Gun toting hillbillies: SEE 'Discretion'

Suppressors

[claud3]

Its a pool of shit and a joke that someone can do this anywhere in the world. An innocent man is murdered in cold blood for having a living

[admartian]

Yeah because NZ is a nirvana of peace. lol http://emigratetonewzealand.wordpres...t-in-the-oecd/ and also this report. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10634799

2010

I wasn't saying that because I was comparing "peace" or whatever - I was saying that because you guys are hard-headed (said without prejudice) - just my observation.

[F34R]

Its a pool of shit and a joke that someone can do this anywhere in the world. An innocent man is murdered in cold blood for having a living

"Innocent" people get killed worldwide. Welcome to real life. Just an idea though... if you see a sign with NO TRESPASSING on it, don't go into the fucking yard without permission. smh

[radgamer420]

2010 I wasn't saying that because I was comparing "peace" or whatever - I was saying that because you guys are hard-headed (said without prejudice) - just my observation.

Has that much changed over 2 years? lol Anyway I was just messing around with you. Just some lighthearted ribbing back at ya. lol