Playstation punctured: Sony's games business deflates again

[mynd]

I've been on these forums for a long time now and the one thing I've learnt is that if Kaz loses his wallet at restaurant its guaranteed a article saying Sony is doomed will be posted the next day linking to a site that also report the latest movie from columbia pictures just racked in 10X what Sony just lost, and we get the usual suspects foaming at the mouth because Sony just spent a shit load of money and in comparison reported a small lost, but it's the end the world...........this is a none thread
My post is due to the fact its still alive, whereas it got joked about & put simply down to a launch a new console which isn't exactly flying off the shelves.
So I gonna respond in the most logical way to this news and say.........oh well and thats continue earning me trophies in MGS4
seriously guys, just unplug from the net for a few days, get some R&R

I've been on the these forums long enough to know, that most people arent preaching Sony is doomed.
A pratical disucssion and disection, is far more cerebal than "this is a none thread".

Saying "this is a none thread" repeatedly for 6 years comes to a point you know.

Putting it down to something as simple as the launch of a new console shows a disservice to 99.9% of the people responding in this thread.

You consider the loss a "small one", which is ok, and probably accurate.
You have to ask yourself then, after 6 years why this time last year Sony only made "a small profit".

You cant have it both ways, stickining your fingers in your ears and saying "I cant hear you" and pointing to the "usual suspects" is akin to blatenly banging your head against a brick wall..or playing a 4 years old game again because they finally patched to update to a patch that shoudlnt have exsisted on the first place because the console company blatently fucked up from day one.

It's likely when Sony didnt have trophies, you were also there, denounncing the fact that acheivements were a pointless waste of time.

Taking a counter to everything wears thin.

If people cant, after 6 years, question and look back at where Sony have gone wrong at points in it's strategy, then Im not sure why we even bother having a PS3 discussion forum.

Of course you have to actually admit that they have gone wrong at some point I guess.

And if you read the thread, you'll find I've said Sony arent going to go under.

Look all I'm really saying is, coming into this thread, and accusing everyone of being doom merchants is far from what anyone is doing in this thread.

[radgamer420]

I've been on the these forums long enough to know, that most people arent preaching Sony is doomed. A pratical disucssion and disection, is far more cerebal than "this is a none thread". Saying "this is a none thread" repeatedly for 6 years comes to a point you know. Putting it down to something as simple as the launch of a new console show a disservie to 99.9% of the people responding in this thread. You consider the loss a "small one", which is ok, and probably accurate. You have to ask yourself then, after 6 years why this time lats year Sony only made "a small profit". You cant have it both ways, stickining your fingers in your ears and saying "I cant hear you" and pointing to the "usual suspects" is akin to blatenly banging your head against a brick wall..or playing a 4 years old game again because they finally patched to update to a patch that shoudlnt have exsisted on the first place because the console company blatently fucked up from day one. It's likely when Sony didnt have trophies, you were also there, denounncing the fact that acheivements were a pointless waste of time. Taking a counter to everything wears thin. If people cant, after 6 years, quesiton and look back at where Sony have gone wrong at points in it's strategy, then Im not sure why we even bother having a PS3 discussion forum. Of course you have to actually admit that they have gone wrong at some point I guess.

I remember those pre-trophy days when people here were saying how useless achievements were and then when the trophy system came suddenly it was the best thing since baked bread. lol Also I agree with your MGS4 comment.

[mynd]

I think in all honesty, if people disscect where Sony went wrong, its only a good thing, especially with the PS4 on the horizon, it should give peole and idea of what to expect.
I mean I fully expect Sony to integrate net code into the O/S next time.
I fully expect cross game chat
I fully expect a more resonable launch price etc etc.

It can only be a good thing to look back and say "what could they learn from the PS3 to make the PS4 out of the ball park awesome!"

[radgamer420]

I think in all honesty, if people disscect where Sony went wrong, its only a good thing, especially with the PS4 on the horizon, it should give peole and idea of what to expect. I mean I fully expect Sony to integrate net code into the O/S next time. I fully expect cross game chat I fully expect a more resonable launch price etc etc. It can only be a good thing to look back and say "what could they learn from the PS3 to make the PS4 out of the ball park awesome!"

I agree. Personally I think PS4 is going to be a great machine because of the hard lessons Sony had to learn this gen.

[davin_g]

I think in all honesty, if people disscect where Sony went wrong, its only a good thing, especially with the PS4 on the horizon, it should give peole and idea of what to expect.
I mean I fully expect Sony to integrate net code into the O/S next time.
I fully expect cross game chat
I fully expect a more resonable launch price etc etc.

It can only be a good thing to look back and say "what could they learn from the PS3 to make the PS4 out of the ball park awesome!"

I hope you are right!!! I'm not tech savy....I wouldn't know if the PS4 is more powerful or not and I don't care....as long as the games are great and the functionality keeps improving. I don't want an inferior console to the xbox but if it is basically on par and the games come looking equal and not delayed...I think Sony has enough features and give enough games and support to warrant a more successful console next gen. I think Microsoft has the advantage with the online....at least in most gamers minds....I prefer my free gaming and ps+ free games and cloud saving. I love the PS controller and those franchises I grew up on and ones they keep giving me. I don't need an xbox because they've yet to make games that appeal to me. Maybe 1 or 2 but that isn't worth me buying another console (besides I can play on PC if I want). I pray Sony has seen these issues...get a nice dev friendly processor/hardware setup with enough power to keep great games and features rolling out they have planned and not the eccentric setups that hamper devs and make delays and features hard to implement.

We shall see. No matter I will probably support them just because I'm a gaming addict and my favorite drugs are almost entirely first party games lol...and at least the rest are ones that would never go exclusive...so if I will probably support them.

[TGO]

I've been on the these forums long enough to know, that most people arent preaching Sony is doomed.
A pratical disucssion and disection, is far more cerebal than "this is a none thread".

Saying "this is a none thread" repeatedly for 6 years comes to a point you know.

Putting it down to something as simple as the launch of a new console shows a disservice to 99.9% of the people responding in this thread.

You consider the loss a "small one", which is ok, and probably accurate.
You have to ask yourself then, after 6 years why this time last year Sony only made "a small profit".

You cant have it both ways, stickining your fingers in your ears and saying "I cant hear you" and pointing to the "usual suspects" is akin to blatenly banging your head against a brick wall..or playing a 4 years old game again because they finally patched to update to a patch that shoudlnt have exsisted on the first place because the console company blatently fucked up from day one.

It's likely when Sony didnt have trophies, you were also there, denounncing the fact that acheivements were a pointless waste of time.

Taking a counter to everything wears thin.

If people cant, after 6 years, question and look back at where Sony have gone wrong at points in it's strategy, then Im not sure why we even bother having a PS3 discussion forum.

Of course you have to actually admit that they have gone wrong at some point I guess.

And if you read the thread, you'll find I've said Sony arent going to go under.

Look all I'm really saying is, coming into this thread, and accusing everyone of being doom merchants is far from what anyone is doing in this thread.

1) Who said anything about you?

2) Yes my interest is more towards playing a 4 year old classic game because it has had trophies added to it then a no-shit sherlock article.....and your pointing out MS had achievements first & Sony fucked up?! seriously?

3) I just unlocked another trophy

but honestly, I was just surprised this thread is that a live, but not as surprised when I saw the main posters & that they'll beating a dead horse, I guess no other topics interest them.
And yes Sony has fucked up, just like any other company has, and as Rad said, they may sort things out with the Vita or they may not, but this won't effect PS4 or any other release from Sony.
And cuz you disagree with my views, I shouldn't have chant "Sony fucked up" for you to agree with my posts, I don't expect you to praise Sony either, I admit when Sony is in the wrong, it don't benefit me for liking shit, why some do I don't know
for instances,I ain't got clue what Sony was thinking with the pricing for Vita memory cards, but it was probably the same thing MS was with their HDD for the 360, but I sure you see that one way......
and I never mentioned you, you've just got my response cuz you posted a wall of text, ya other recent posts are fine.

[davin_g]

I love my PS3. Love the gaming it provides me. The online services. The netflix and on and on. For me and I'm sure millions of others its a huge success. Worth every penny I sunk into it. I got one at launch when it was the most expensive. I actually have 3 of them because of the gaming, internet, blu-ray, music player...media all in one thing. One for my bedroom, living room, and gaming room. I play all of them and I couldn't be happier. That said....I realize Sony made mistakes. Some I don't think was their fault. Price...like I said back in 2005/6 iphones were brand new and costing a as much as a ps3. People were blowing money left and right on all kinds of gadgets. If it wasn't for the market collapse $600 wouldn't have been an issue...and when it was $500 and on down. It definately slowed down the sales that first couple years. Sony couldn't have known literally a month before they launched the whole world would crash....just bad luck. Cell was something we all expected to change gaming and basically computers altogether when it was first hinted at and being developed. It didn't live up. It was still helluv impressive and especially in a console but it was basically overkill because developers didn't know how to code for it...and with the limited ram...just killed Sonys 3rd party momentum they had from the PS2. Instead of being a lead console and getting exclusive deals it went opposite. Launching a year later didn't help either. I don't think Sony understands what happened in America. Kids bought the newest console...perhaps they would have waited a few months for Sony but they knew it was years away. So 360 gets sales....the online connectivity grows....friends all get it because they want to play together...it builds...and builds and in an era of social media and connectivity the 360 got a foot hold in America that Sony couldn't over come with the price they had, poor game support initially, and poor online services at day 1. Microsoft had issues but Sony couldn't capitalize on them. Sony has imo produced the best games and biggest variety and given me far more services and features (for free) and I've been happy but they made missteps all along the way. People here are giving their opinions. It is what has added to their financial troubles...and no I don't think anyone predicts they go under...we all remember the media after that first year...and it was laughable but they had mistakes and we all hope they get addressed with the PS4. It is in the best interest of gamers for PS fans and Microsoft fans because competition makes everyone stronger.

I hope they address some of the cost issues with elaborate architecture. Build something powerful and flexible but something that is far more approachable for developers. Keep cost down as much as possible but I'm willing to still pay 500-600 again if it is worth it but for Sony's sake lets hope its on the low end. Like others say get the functionality going from launch....with online connectivity/interactivity/integration. Roll out a great launch lineup...and involve/revive the vita with this new console. Somehow make it more than just a handheld/portable PS3 but like another controller/functionality for the PS4. You do that...and the device sells for 2 reasons and I think has a chance at more than just a niche market...but can crossover.

[mynd]

1) Who said anything about you?

2) Yes my interest is more towards playing a 4 year old classic game because it has had trophies added to it then a no-shit sherlock article.....and your pointing out MS had achievements first & Sony fucked up?! seriously?

3) I just unlocked another trophy

but honestly, I was just surprised this thread is that a live, but not as surprised when I saw the main posters & that they'll beating a dead horse, I guess no other topics interest them.
And yes Sony has fucked up, just like any other company has, and as Rad said, they may sort things out with the Vita or they may not, but this won't effect PS4 or any other release from Sony.
And cuz you disagree with my views, I shouldn't have chant "Sony fucked up" for you to agree with my posts, I don't expect you to praise Sony either, I admit when Sony is in the wrong, it don't benefit me for liking shit, why some do I don't know
for instances,I ain't got clue what Sony was thinking with the pricing for Vita memory cards, but it was probably the same thing MS was with their HDD for the 360, but I sure you see that one way......
and I never mentioned you, you've just got my response cuz you posted a wall of text, ya other recent posts are fine.

I know you never mentioned me, but you never mentioned anyone, that's the point, you cast doubts on everyone, with the comments you made.
Blanket statements are just that.

My point about the trophies is, that you shouldn't have to go back and play the game again, and that its also about as irrelevant as you original comment regarding MGS4. I'm sure you find going back to play MGS4 and earn achievements great more interesting than this thread, I don't have a problem with that. I have lot of threads that don't interest me (The Last Guardian being deregistered means nothing to me because I think the game is still coming), but I'm not going to bother and post in them.

All Im saying is really, you post didn't exactly add a whole hell of a lot, other than to cast aspersions over any reason any one would bother posting in this thread.

P.S. I really hate "the usual suspects line" really it could mean anybody.

[Ghost-Rhayne]

Do you have a PS3 or have any plans to get one Mynd?

[TGO]

I know you never mentioned me, but you never mentioned anyone, that's the point, you cast doubts on everyone, with the comments you made.
Blanket statements are just that.

My point about the trophies is, that you shouldn't have to go back and play the game again, and that its also about as irrelevant as you original comment regarding MGS4. I'm sure you find going back to play MGS4 and earn achievements great more interesting than this thread, I don't have a problem with that. I have lot of threads that don't interest me (The Last Guardian being deregistered means nothing to me because I think the game is still coming), but I'm not going to bother and post in them.

All Im saying is really, you post didn't exactly add a whole hell of a lot, other than to cast aspersions over any reason any one would bother posting in this thread.

P.S. I really hate "the usual suspects line" really it could mean anybody.

I have re-completed MGS4 annually since it's release trophies with the addition of the HD Collection just gave me another reason to go back to enjoy it, and just like many others, even those that spoke against it when released realize how well it stands up and think what are developers doing these days, it is truly amazing the amount of work that went into that title, and the Last Guardian is still coming, a member over at gaf reported Sony tweeted about it, they just need to rebuy the copyright lol
But I wasn't talking about you, this topic went from on topic to just a Sony dissin thread between 360 fans who never post in a positive thread unless they got something bad to say and ignore more interesting threads about Xbox because they are negative, theres got be balance somewhere right?
If I only posted negative articles in the 360 section and only replied to negative threads you'd start rolling ya eyes wouldn't ya
But no I rarely do post in the 360 section, if I do it can be a bad article or a good one
You can hear me voice my opinion about Sony in the Vita section too
But you mynd I add no problem with you, you was having some kind of discussion with Rad atleast far I could tell
And I'm sorry bout tue usual suspect comment, but except from thinking I'm referring to you, I'm sure you know who I was referring to

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[mynd]

I have re-completed MGS4 annually since it's release trophies with the addition of the HD Collection just gave me another reason to go back to enjoy it, and just like many others, even those that spoke against it when released realize how well it stands up and think what are developers doing these days, it is truly amazing the amount of work that went into that title,

Speaking as someone who purchased to MGS HD collection, and struggling to see any merit in MGS2, I can only say that you must be a very dedicate fan, I also hope MGS4 is nothing much like MGS2. To be fair, Im not very far into, but really I don't get it.

and the Last Guardian is still coming, a member over at gaf reported Sony tweeted about it, they just need to rebuy the copyright lol

Never had any doubt.

But I wasn't talking about you, this topic went from on topic to just a Sony dissin thread between 360 fans who never post in a positive thread unless they got something bad to say and ignore more interesting threads about Xbox because they are negative, theres got be balance somewhere right?

I dont think it did, TBH, people will put the boot in when a company is down. Some do it because they love them so much they feel betrayed.

If I only posted negative articles in the 360 section and only replied to negative threads you'd start rolling ya eyes wouldn't ya
But no I rarely do post in the 360 section, if I do it can be a bad article or a good one
You can hear me voice my opinion about Sony in the Vita section too
But you mynd I add no problem with you, you was having some kind of discussion with Rad atleast far I could tell
And I'm sorry bout tue usual suspect comment, but except from thinking I'm referring to you, I'm sure you know who I was referring to

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I try not to label people, preconception ends up with people not listening to what your actually saying and translating it into something else.
It happens to me time and time again.
Both Sony and Microsoft earn more money then we every will, the are very "big boys" and can handle themselves, as you say, they really don't give a dam what we think about them, more about what we do with our money.

At the end of the day, calling someone or some group out, is pointless. Do what I do , and try and steer the conversation in to better, calmer, more logical waters

As for MGS, should I even bother with MGS2? Would it make more sense to start with another tittle?
I'm really struggling with this whole "stay down for about 20 seconds" thing with the guards.
Snake doesn't know how to incapacitate a guard for more than a minute?

Do you have a PS3 or have any plans to get one Mynd?

Soon as they hit a reasonable price I will be buying one.
Its hard to ignore the fact that I still don't have a Blu-ray player, and with the rumored price drop/model change, if I can pick up a PS3 for $299 or close, you bet your arse I will have one.

In fact, I'd wager my membership here, that when they get a $299 NZ PS3, I'll have one. You can hold me to that.

[Fijiandoce]

In fact, I'd wager my membership here, that when they get a $299 NZ PS3, I'll have one. You can hold me to that.

then its $NZ90 from there on out

games in NZ are expensive as hell!
My PS3 and most of my games come from when i was in high school there. its really painful on the monies

[mynd]

then its $NZ90 from there on out

games in NZ are expensive as hell!
My PS3 and most of my games come from when i was in high school there. its really painful on the monies

Oh, you gotta shop smart.

1/ Never buy it day one, unless someone has a very good deal..a good deal is $89. (normally $119)

2/ Wait 3 months. Almost all our titles lately have dropped significantly after 3 months.
Case in point, this week, Max Payne 3, from the warehouse $68. I've got my eye on that and Kingdoms of Amular for $69 from Dick Smith.

3/ Never ever pre-order..some one else will have $10 cheaper on the day its released.

But your forgetting, I'm going to be buying exclusives, most of which have platinum'd these days.....

Resistance 1 and 2 for $50? I'm there....

[Super_Lilith]

I think this is a very interesting topic because:

1. Sony has (In my opinion) the most feature packed console and best hardware handheld and console.
2. Again IMO Sony has the most AAA and great games.

But arguably they are doing the worst overall, and dissecting why makes for some good discussion of what went well and what went wrong.

For instance Vita is marketed too much as a shrunk PS3 with mini PS3 games like Uncharted, which is awesome to fans, but appeals to too small a market.

I think a lot of the blame lies in the advertising and marketing with their weird non-nonsensical metaphor BS ads and touting geeky crazy figures about the cell. While Nintendo was showing beautiful people having fun playing the Wii. The tables have turned in the west now because the Wii had no 3rd party support but I hope for PS4 Sony ditch the supercomputer BS and just tout it's amazing games from the start.

[Ghost-Rhayne]

Soon as they hit a reasonable price I will be buying one.
Its hard to ignore the fact that I still don't have a Blu-ray player, and with the rumored price drop/model change, if I can pick up a PS3 for $299 or close, you bet your arse I will have one.

In fact, I'd wager my membership here, that when they get a $299 NZ PS3, I'll have one. You can hold me to that.

How much are they going for at the moment? I got mine when I still lived in NZ..for $600-650 IIRC.

[mynd]

$475

[TGO]

As for MGS, should I even bother with MGS2? Would it make more sense to start with another tittle?
I'm really struggling with this whole "stay down for about 20 seconds" thing with the guards.
Snake doesn't know how to incapacitate a guard for more than a minute?.

Break there fucking necks lol
MGS is a funny gem, watch some gameplay vids to get a idea of how you should be playing it and MGS2 is my favorite, its story is out there and just like the original Martix, some got it, some just didn't understand, but try and stick to it, you be rewarded and perhaps become a fan?
But really you should start with MGS1, I'm sure you got a PC that can upgrade that a bit
And remember its a old game now, MGS3 has a behind the character view with camera control if thats ya main problem, I suppose it wont hurt starting from that one as it is the beginning of the Saga


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[radgamer420]

I normally dont care for stealth that much but I liked it in MGS4 (and Splinter Cell).

[The Sith]

This holiday season will let us know where the Vita. Stands in the industry. if sales continue tobe bad you will see developers shying away and canceling games.

[Ghost-Rhayne]

I have loved stealth ever since the days of Tenchu and MGS on the PSX. In fact those games and the genre have shaped my preferences in many games over the past 15 years. I have always taken full advantage of the stealth elements, be it in games like Fallout 3, Skyrim, Kingdoms of Amalur, Dragon Age etc. It made me gravitate to games like Splinter Cell and Assassins Creed. In fact I feel most comfortable and proficient with games that have stealth...It reflects aspects of my own personality to.

[radgamer420]

I remember playing Thief 3 (I think it was 3) Deadly Shadows on the PC. That was a really fun stealth game. I remember getting the texture mods for it too.

[Ghost-Rhayne]

This holiday season will let us know where the Vita. Stands in the industry. if sales continue tobe bad you will see developers shying away and canceling games.

I think by this time next year the Vita landscape will tell quite a different story to what it does now. It's a marathon for Sony, not a sprint. There are 2 things that are stopping most gamers from getting a Vita and it's the price and the games. All Sony has to do to start shipping units is get the content up (and in time the price down) so that it hits that sweet spot of value for the consumer. By the end of this year there will be Sly 4, PSABR, LBP, Assassins Creed 3: Lib and CoD (which Activision claims is a true CoD experience on Vita). This is on top of an already respectable line up with Uncharted GA, Wipeout 2097 etc. Also Sony will do well if the JRPGs keep coming. Persona 4, Soul Sacrifice, Final Fantasy x (!!) etc. In time those Vita shelves will be filled with enough popular brands to make Vita more worth getting.

The Sony president and CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment America notes that the handheld business, like the console business, is a marathon, not a sprint - and a system doesn't have to break day one records to be a success in the long run.

Setting up a console doesn't happen over night,and certainly not within 6 months of a products life cycle. Seriously, those concerned should give this thing a year before dooming and glooming. Expectation are not inline with Sony's strategy on this thing, which is probably the problem.

[radgamer420]

Sony needs to bring down the price of those memory cards too. The Vita is such an awesome device but Sony has to make some type of price adjustments.

[Ghost-Rhayne]

Sony needs to bring down the price of those memory cards too. The Vita is such an awesome device but Sony has to make some type of price adjustments.

I think their bundles are the way to go. Throw in a game and memory card at an enticing price. There is already that sexy white AC bundle and I bet there will be a bundle for CoD. But yeah, the card prices are atrocious lol.

[davin_g]

Are PS1 games playable anywhere yet? Japan? I'm sure that will help with the back log of games if they get that going. I know quite a few fun games I would pick up. I think there are some solid games coming out for it but I still think that if it is to really take off....they need to force developers with the PS4 to make all games have the ability of crossplay. That and allowing for it to be used like in PSABR as a controller and some new features for it on that front for your PS4 would help it take off. Once it gets a bigger install base...the exclusive games will come in larger batches.