Handcuffed Arkansas man shot to death in the back of police car

[TRF]

It's true, we don't know exactly what happened. The biggest injustice here is that people have already formed an opinion on what happened, and it will never change no matter the verdict is. If it's determined that the cops did murder this guy, then hooray, we've got justice. If it's determined that the victim actually committed suicide, then the faulty justice system let two racist cops go. That's just the idiocy of the public these days.

[Vulgotha]

Gotta ask, whats the point of that picture? :S

It's a grain of salt.

[TRF]

It's a grain of salt.

Honestly, I had no idea what it was either.

[$Greatness$]

I just have a hard time believing yo off'd himself over some weed. Already was locked up and then the cops allow him to be in the popo mobile with a weapon? We don't frisk people no more? I've seen some wild shit in my life, so if he really did end himself I'd be surprised. But don't count me in the group who believe he did so. Seems too farfetched to me.

[F34R]

I just have a hard time believing yo off'd himself over some weed. Already was locked up and then the cops allow him to be in the popo mobile with a weapon? We don't frisk people no more? I've seen some wild shit in my life, so if he really did end himself I'd be surprised. But don't count me in the group who believe he did so. Seems too farfetched to me.

It's possible they didn't search him, or didn't do a good job off it. For me, it's a 100% search for anyone I put in my, or a, car. If you and I are together, and you search the guy and I watch, then he is handed over to me to put in the car, he gets searched again. I can't count how many times I've found shit on people after they've already been searched. I know an incident with two officers on a scene, they both searched this guy, and he was handcuffed with his hands behind his back. About five minutes after being put in the car, I went to ask this guy some questions, and he had a gun in his right hand.

Don't let him killing himself be too far fetched. I've seen video, which I described earlier in this thread, of a guy who was not in cuffs any more, pulled a gun, and killed himself. It happens.

[DayWalker]

so in the past week I've learned that:

A) cops are incompetent when it comes to handling firearms (via Matrix)

B) they are incompetent when it comes to searching perps (via Fear)

... maybe Mittens is right, time to lay off a bunch of "public servants" ... :-/

[F34R]

so in the past week I've learned that:

A) cops are incompetent when it comes to handling firearms (via Matrix)

B) they are incompetent when it comes to searching perps (via Fear)

... maybe Mittens is right, time to lay off a bunch of "public servants" ... :-/

You've also learned how to assume things you want to believe?

[Vulgotha]

Cutting back government is something people should be in favor of in general lol, especially now.

[F34R]

Cutting back government is something people should be in favor of in general lol, especially now.

If a politician suggests cutting back public servants, then that means that person, plus the rest of 'em.

[DayWalker]

don't shoot the messenger. (pun)

Matrix says y'all don't know what you are doing...

Right, because Police Officers receive training that is so superior, right?

:rollseyes:

You would be shocked if you know how lax the standards are for most police departments weapons qualifications. Also most police officers aren't interested in guns so they have little reason to practice with their weapon outside of qualification.

and you ( a cop) seem to be saying that its common for police officers to be oblivious that a perp is carrying...

not exactly instilling confidence...

[F34R]

don't shoot the messenger. (pun)

Matrix says y'all don't know what you are doing...

and you ( a cop) seem to be saying that its common for police officers to be oblivious that a perp is carrying...

not exactly instilling confidence...

You're translating things I posted into something off hand to say the least.

[DayWalker]

several posts asserting that its "not too far fetched" that the cops didn't search him... or missed the weapon... and another saying you've seen a video where a guy was searched several times and they still missed it...

the crux of your argument here (keeping in mind that I haven't even read the OP or any of the related story)... is that the guy is quite capable of killing himself, while in custody, handcuffed... in the back of a police car...

[$Greatness$]

It's possible they didn't search him, or didn't do a good job off it. For me, it's a 100% search for anyone I put in my, or a, car. If you and I are together, and you search the guy and I watch, then he is handed over to me to put in the car, he gets searched again. I can't count how many times I've found shit on people after they've already been searched. I know an incident with two officers on a scene, they both searched this guy, and he was handcuffed with his hands behind his back. About five minutes after being put in the car, I went to ask this guy some questions, and he had a gun in his right hand.

Don't let him killing himself be too far fetched. I've seen video, which I described earlier in this thread, of a guy who was not in cuffs any more, pulled a gun, and killed himself. It happens.

Point Taken

Still I have my doubts. But like I said, if its true, I'm be very surprised. Hopefully the true comes out one way or another. I hope he wouldn't off himself with just weed on 'em.

[Vulgotha]

If a politician suggests cutting back public servants, then that means that person, plus the rest of 'em.

Cut what needs to be cut, period. If that means law enforcement, it means law enforcement.

[F34R]

several posts asserting that its "not too far fetched" that the cops didn't search him... or missed the weapon... and another saying you've seen a video where a guy was searched several times and they still missed it...

the crux of your argument here (keeping in mind that I haven't even read the OP or any of the related story)... is that the guy is quite capable of killing himself, while in custody, handcuffed... in the back of a police car...

Like I said, you're taking it to where you want it. Have a ball.

[F34R]

Cut what needs to be cut, period. If that means law enforcement, it means law enforcement.

Cut it.. go for it. We'll see how long it takes the crime rate to rise so much higher that they have to try and deploy those services again. It's hard enough with what you have to keep it tolerable. Will it take one of their houses to get broke into, and no cops around because they have been cut hourly? I know some departments that their local gov't has pinned that... cops get off on midnight, none back till 8am. smh

[DayWalker]

Like I said, you're taking it to where you want it. Have a ball.

seems to me you aught to be able to find the thing that will kill you... feels like an important step...

[F34R]

seems to me you aught to be able to find the thing that will kill you... feels like an important step...

I'd say, yes, you should find something, given you're in a completely static environment, no stress, no threats, just you and a dressed manikin . Add all the other things that go on when these things aren't in your test room, and that environment is changed and the outcome isn't a "blacken the circle for the correct answer". Let's not even bring into the discussion the education people get in order to hide things better than they did before, from other people that teach how to avoid getting caught from basic procedures, etc. smh

All this mumbo jumbo for what? Because the point of the matter is that there isn't anything that points to any particular way that this happened. Did the cops shoot him? Could be. Did he shoot himself? Could be.

[$Greatness$]

I wouldn't go as far as to say cut Law Enforcement. You do have some Superhero Cops out there, too. That's a big stretch right there ya dig me. Haha

[radgamer420]

Cut it.. go for it. We'll see how long it takes the crime rate to rise so much higher that they have to try and deploy those services again. It's hard enough with what you have to keep it tolerable. Will it take one of their houses to get broke into, and no cops around because they have been cut hourly? I know some departments that their local gov't has pinned that... cops get off on midnight, none back till 8am. smh

Thats crazy. lol Law enforcement is something I definitely would not want to see cut. Enough crazy stuff happens in my town as it is.

[Beast of Bourbon]

I agree with rad.
If you want to lay off public servants you should start with useless politicians and bureaucrats.

[oneJ]

so in the past week I've learned that:

A) cops are incompetent when it comes to handling firearms (via Matrix)

B) they are incompetent when it comes to searching perps (via Fear)

... maybe Mittens is right, time to lay off a bunch of "public servants" ... :-/

i do strip searches every day in a maximum security prison, its always surprising when you find a syringe on someone after a strip search, and they've pulled it out of their asshole.
things can be hidden anywhere if the person doesn't want it to be found.

[Vulgotha]

My point was you have to assess things pragmatically. Cutting what needs to be cut was what I said.

So appealing to people's patriotism or something in order to 'not cut the military!' is simply an invalid argument and an appeal to emotion. I'm just saying the same should theoretically apply to LEO's and any other part of government.

So long as it is justified.

[F34R]

My point was you have to assess things pragmatically. Cutting what needs to be cut was what I said.

So appealing to people's patriotism or something in order to 'not cut the military!' is simply an invalid argument and an appeal to emotion. I'm just saying the same should theoretically apply to LEO's and any other part of government.

So long as it is justified.

Justifying based on what criteria though.... that's the problem.

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[DayWalker]

i do strip searches every day in a maximum security prison, its always surprising when you find a syringe on someone after a strip search, and they've pulled it out of their asshole.
things can be hidden anywhere if the person doesn't want it to be found.

so what are the odds that this guy was walking around... free as a jay bird... with a glock up his ass... just n case ( I didn't read the story) he got picked up for MJ possession?

...and then what are the odds of him being able to access it while fully clothed and cuffed???