Uk foreign office denis safe passage for Asssange

**Morganator** · 08-21-2012

Originally Posted by Completely Average

You know, I've seen this false claim a thousand times. "The US wants Assange"

Bullshit. The US doesn't give a damn about Assange. The US has never charged Assange with any crime, there is no arrest warrant out for Assange in the US, there are no extradition requests, there isn't even a criminal investigation taking place.

So what makes you think the US wants Assange? Because HE said so? He'll say anything to keep from being sent back to Sweden. Fact is the US does NOT want Assange. If he came to the US he would be free to enter and travel as he wanted. (provided he takes care of that Sweden issue first) He's not even considered a suspect in a crime.

And if the US did want Assange then Ecuador would probably be among the worst places he could go to hide. Ecuador has had an extradition treaty in place with the US for over 150 years. The government of Ecuador relies on trade with the US for 80% of their GNP. And the CIA has a massive presence in Ecuador, which surely someone like Assange knows all about. If the US asked for Assange Ecuador wouldn't hesitate to hand him over. 3 months of US sanctions against that country would destroy their economy, and they know it. And even if they didn't hand them over, the CIA could easily just grab him.

Assange isn't hiding from the US by going to Ecuador. That's like trying to hide from a lion in the lions den.

Who said anything about him going to Ecuador? You don't need to be in the country in which you're seeking asylum to get asylum. You just need to be in a building that is declared sovereign soil of said country, like an embassy. As for him being considered a suspect in a crime, you're right. He was not only considered long ago but is probably on the terrorist watch-list. What Assange did was embarrass the whole political community of the US at once. Politicians don't like being embarrassed.

**Completely Average** · 08-21-2012

Originally Posted by Morganator

Who said anything about him going to Ecuador? You don't need to be in the country in which you're seeking asylum to get asylum. You just need to be in a building that is declared sovereign soil of said country, like an embassy. As for him being considered a suspect in a crime, you're right. He was not only considered long ago but is probably on the terrorist watch-list. What Assange did was embarrass the whole political community of the US at once. Politicians don't like being embarrassed.

It will be funny watching Assange trying to live the rest of his life in the London Embassy. And as I said before, if push came to shove and the US wanted him badly enough, some tough trade sanctons would put Ecuador in the position of either handing him over or have their own economy crushed. I doubt he's worth the sacrifice to them.

And while he may be on a terrorist watch list, he's not wanted by the US, and he has committed no crime in the US. He may be denied entry, but he would not be detained.

**btbam** · 08-21-2012

Originally Posted by Morganator

You don't have to say it for me to think it. You're already labeling him guilty as if you were there during these alleged acts. It's a simple case of deductive reasoning. And if you think the U.S. hasn't already applied political pressure to have him nabbed at the first convenience, you're mistaken. He WILL be nabbed the second he steps on Swedish soil or at the earliest convenience thereafter. I guarantee you he will. International laws and treaties means nothing to the U.S. government. Sweden's sovereignty will NOT be respected. Count on it.

If he is innocent he has nothing to fear. Idk if he did rape somebody in sweeden, if he did, than he is using bullshit claims to deny justice to his victim. His life will be controlled by fear and he will live his life in the confines of the embassy.

**Morganator** · 08-21-2012

Originally Posted by btbam

If he is innocent he has nothing to fear. Idk if he did rape somebody in sweeden, if he did, than he is using bullshit claims to deny justice to his victim. His life will be controlled by fear and he will live his life in the confines of the embassy.

Big problem here. The timing of these "rape" allegations is too good to be true. This is the purposeful exploitation of something a man could never, and I mean, NEVER, defend himself against. This is something for which he is already being labeled as guilty of. You all say, "if he is innocent, he has nothing to fear" or "if he has nothing to hide, why run?" but you fail to realize just how skewed and bias the law really is against any man when it comes to "rape". Fact is, just by looking at the majority of yours' and others' posts, the man doesn't stand a chance in the courtroom. Whether or not he is guilty of said alleged crime is IRRELEVANT. He is guilty simply because mob rule dictates verdicts when it comes to crimes of this sort. And you all are falling for this, hook, line and sinker. You all claim to err on the side of the "rule of law" but you fail to check your bias at the door.

**Vulgotha** · 08-21-2012

Originally Posted by Completely Average

It will be funny watching Assange trying to live the rest of his life in the London Embassy. And as I said before, if push came to shove and the US wanted him badly enough, some tough trade sanctons would put Ecuador in the position of either handing him over or have their own economy crushed. I doubt he's worth the sacrifice to them.

And while he may be on a terrorist watch list, he's not wanted by the US, and he has committed no crime in the US. He may be denied entry, but he would not be detained.

Simply untrue. The US wants him bad, and it isn't just Assange saying so. Seriously google "US wants Assange".

Australia has made public announcements basically stating that my nation wants him in our hands. And there is alot of 'coincidence' going on right now (like these accusations, etc) for this not to be true. He embarrassed the most powerful nation on the planet, along with others.

The US is also interesting in bringing him up on charges of espionage: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-2154107.html

I'm not sure how you can say that the United States doesn't want to lynch him with a straight face.

Edit: Also, I completely agree with Morg here. 'Rape' laws overwhelmingly favor women and the timing here is suspect at best.

**keefy** · 08-21-2012

Some asylum seekers have lived in Embassies for many years

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zsef_Mindszenty

**Morganator** · 08-22-2012

Originally Posted by Vulgotha

Simply untrue. The US wants him bad, and it isn't just Assange saying so. Seriously google "US wants Assange".

Australia has made public announcements basically stating that my nation wants him in our hands. And there is alot of 'coincidence' going on right now (like these accusations, etc) for this not to be true. He embarrassed the most powerful nation on the planet, along with others.

The US is also interesting in bringing him up on charges of espionage: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-2154107.html

I'm not sure how you can say that the United States doesn't want to lynch him with a straight face.

Edit: Also, I completely agree with Morg here. 'Rape' laws overwhelmingly favor women and the timing here is suspect at best.

Absolutely correct on all counts. You don't embarrass the most powerful nation on the planet and expect to get away. Assange will die if he is sent to Sweden because the US will seize the first opportunity to rid itself of this nuisance.

"Truth is treason in the empire of lies." - Ron Paul