Page 1 of 2 1 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 29
  1. #1
    Supreme Veteran
    claud3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Agartha
    PSN ID
    sophieskyrim126Era
    Age
    30
    Posts
    17,633
    Rep Power
    127
    Points
    1,067 (0 Banked)
    Items Tommy VercettiGTA Claude
    Achievements IT'S OVER 9000!

    Say Hello and this will be norm ( POlice ALLOWED to track youre calls, all kinds )

    The US Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that Americans have no reasonable expectation of privacy when carrying cell phones, allowing police to track GPS signals without a warrant or probable cause.

    The decision came the court ruled in United States v. Skinner that the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) abided by the Constitution by using a drug runner’s cellphone data to track his location and determine his identity.

    Melvin Skinner, also known by his false name as “Big Foot,” was a drug mule with more than 1,100 pounds of marijuana in his Texas motorhome.

    The throwaway mobile phone he was using was registered under a false name, so agents did not know the identity of the drug trafficker.

    By using GPS data from his disposable phone, police learned that “Big Foot” was planning to deliver a large shipment of marijuana from Arizona to Tennessee in his mobile home.

    In 2006, agents obtained a court order – but not a warrant – to track the disposable phone’s location using its GPS.

    After tracing the phone’s exact location, police dogs discovered the mobile home and indicated a presence of drugs. “Big Foot” was arrested and charged for drug trafficking and conspiracy to commit money laundering.

    But on appeal, the defendant argued that his cell phone data could not be used because the DEA failed to obtain a warrant for it, thereby violating the Fourth Amendment.

    The Fourth Amendment protects against “unreasonable searches and seizures” without the issuance of a warrant obtained due to probable cause.

    The Court considers cell phone use to be a public – not private – action, thereby being ineligible for the protections of the Fourth Amendment. A court brief of the case states that “a suspect’s presence in a publicly observable place is not information subject to Fourth Amendment protection.”

    Additionally, Judge John M. Rogers, writing for the majority, said Skinner “did not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the data given off by his voluntarily procured pay-as-you-go cell phone. If a tool used to transport contraband gives off a signal that can be tracked for location, certainly the police can track the signal.”

    While any US cell phone can now be tracked by police without probable cause or a warrant, the Supreme Court ruled earlier this year that police must obtain a warrant before secretly attacking a GPS tracking device to a suspect’s car.

    That ruling is currently being contested, leaving the possibility for police to secretly track vehicles without permission. Without the requirement of a warrant to access cell phone data, US authorities are gaining increasing power over what some would consider “private” rights of individuals – but what the Courts call “public.”

    http://rt.com/usa/news/police-track-cell-court-979/

    So no matter were you are you will be tracked
    Last edited by claud3; 08-17-2012 at 22:11.
    Plato and Aristotle, a detail of The School of Athens, a fresco by Raphael. Aristotle gestures to the earth, representing his belief in knowledge

  2. #2
    Apprentice
    akhi216's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    USA
    PSN ID
    akhi216
    Posts
    162
    Rep Power
    18
    Points
    596 (0 Banked)
    Good thing I'm not a criminal.

  3. #3
    Supreme Veteran
    claud3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Agartha
    PSN ID
    sophieskyrim126Era
    Age
    30
    Posts
    17,633
    Rep Power
    127
    Points
    1,067 (0 Banked)
    Items Tommy VercettiGTA Claude
    Achievements IT'S OVER 9000!
    Your response to a tracker of all calls mate and i mean all calls. The ones you make to your girlfriend and mum
    Plato and Aristotle, a detail of The School of Athens, a fresco by Raphael. Aristotle gestures to the earth, representing his belief in knowledge

  4. #4
    Dave
    Guest
    Lol Claud3, you're not even close. They're not being given the ability to track your phone calls and to who; they're being given the ability to track your location through your cell phone. That's a completely different thing.

  5. #5
    Supreme Veteran
    keefy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    The Sock Gap
    Posts
    17,712
    Rep Power
    127
    Points
    60,523 (0 Banked)
    Items Gran Turismo 5Michelle MarshDoomid SoftwareCommodore 64Metal Gear Solid
    Achievements IT'S OVER 9000!
    I do not like the sound of this.

    You used the wrong your.

  6. #6
    Supreme Veteran
    claud3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Agartha
    PSN ID
    sophieskyrim126Era
    Age
    30
    Posts
    17,633
    Rep Power
    127
    Points
    1,067 (0 Banked)
    Items Tommy VercettiGTA Claude
    Achievements IT'S OVER 9000!
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    Lol Claud3, you're not even close. They're not being given the ability to track your phone calls and to who; they're being given the ability to track your location through your cell phone. That's a completely different thing.
    my phone calls to the ice man is personal and it is a lot of cubed decision and cold decisions mate lol
    Plato and Aristotle, a detail of The School of Athens, a fresco by Raphael. Aristotle gestures to the earth, representing his belief in knowledge

  7. #7
    Forum Sage

    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Age
    31
    Posts
    8,416
    Rep Power
    102
    Points
    1,700 (0 Banked)
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    Lol Claud3, you're not even close. They're not being given the ability to track your phone calls and to who; they're being given the ability to track your location through your cell phone. That's a completely different thing.
    Except, it's still a violation of the fourth amendment. The judge can say it doesn't apply all he wants but it doesn't make him any less wrong about it. Furthermore, nowhere in the constitution, are the authorities given this kind of power. By doing so, the DEA violated the ninth, tenth and fourteenth amendments. The DEA's actions were wholly illegal, extrajudicial and unconstitutional.

  8. #8
    Legend
    F34R's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    South Carolina
    PSN ID
    F34RTEHR34PER
    Posts
    40,109
    Rep Power
    244
    Points
    146,246 (0 Banked)
    Items BullySteamGran Turismo 5LiverpoolAppleJoker (limited ICON)Naughty DogMaster ChiefAssassins Creed EzioGears of WarHeavy RainDiablo III
    Achievements IT'S OVER 9000!
    There's nothing wrong with this one. Sorry.

    First off, that article in the OP is a piece of trash.

    Second:

    Judge John M. Rogers, writing for the majority, agreed:
    There is no Fourth Amendment violation because Skinner did not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the data given off by his voluntarily procured pay-as-you-go cell phone. If a tool used to transport contraband gives off a signal that can be tracked for location, certainly the police can track the signal. The law cannot be that a criminal is entitled to rely on the expected untrackability of his tools. Otherwise, dogs could not be used to track a fugitive if the fugitive did not know that the dog hounds had his scent. A getaway car could not be identified and followed based on the license plate number if the driver reasonably thought he had gotten away unseen. The recent nature of cell phone location technology does not change this. If it did, then technology would help criminals but not the police.

    Last edited by F34R; 08-18-2012 at 04:08.




  9. #9
    Forum Sage
    DeviousOne's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Orlando FL
    PSN ID
    DeviousOnePSU
    Age
    31
    Posts
    9,551
    Rep Power
    69
    Points
    61,675 (1,943 Banked)
    Items NintendoFirefox LogoPSN LogoWii BlackPaper MarioWiiUGran Turismo 53DSPS3 Slim
    Achievements IT'S OVER 9000!
    This will not be the norm....Conflicts with federal,constitutional, and state laws. Good luck tracking me without a court ordered warrant =)

    ~~~OLD SKOOL~~~

  10. #10
    Legend
    F34R's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    South Carolina
    PSN ID
    F34RTEHR34PER
    Posts
    40,109
    Rep Power
    244
    Points
    146,246 (0 Banked)
    Items BullySteamGran Turismo 5LiverpoolAppleJoker (limited ICON)Naughty DogMaster ChiefAssassins Creed EzioGears of WarHeavy RainDiablo III
    Achievements IT'S OVER 9000!
    Quote Originally Posted by DeviousOne View Post
    This will not be the norm....Conflicts with federal,constitutional, and state laws. Good luck tracking me without a court ordered warrant =)
    If your phone is giving off a signal, then being able to track it isn't unconstitutional at all. That's one of the reasons the title, and the article are completely absurd. This doesn't have a single thing to do with calls, or tracking people just for the heck of it, etc.

    It'd probably help if people would actually read the case, the rulings, etc. Otherwise, just reading stupid articles that have turned it around completely, makes people against things that aren't even happening.




  11. #11
    Forum Sage
    DeviousOne's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Orlando FL
    PSN ID
    DeviousOnePSU
    Age
    31
    Posts
    9,551
    Rep Power
    69
    Points
    61,675 (1,943 Banked)
    Items NintendoFirefox LogoPSN LogoWii BlackPaper MarioWiiUGran Turismo 53DSPS3 Slim
    Achievements IT'S OVER 9000!
    Quote Originally Posted by F34R View Post
    If your phone is giving off a signal, then being able to track it isn't unconstitutional at all. That's one of the reasons the title, and the article are completely absurd. This doesn't have a single thing to do with calls, or tracking people just for the heck of it, etc.

    It'd probably help if people would actually read the case, the rulings, etc. Otherwise, just reading stupid articles that have turned it around completely, makes people against things that aren't even happening.
    Basically the article is completely out of line and misleading. While my phone gives off a signal the contents of my phone conversations and text messages are private and can not be RANDOMLY monitor unless it was court ordered. This idea how the government is going to have total control of your calls and all that is ludicrous.

    If anyone seriously believes this article i invite you to do some real research and lastly dont break any laws you'll be OK

    ~~~OLD SKOOL~~~

  12. Likes Kwes , F34R likes this post
  13. #12
    Legend
    F34R's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    South Carolina
    PSN ID
    F34RTEHR34PER
    Posts
    40,109
    Rep Power
    244
    Points
    146,246 (0 Banked)
    Items BullySteamGran Turismo 5LiverpoolAppleJoker (limited ICON)Naughty DogMaster ChiefAssassins Creed EzioGears of WarHeavy RainDiablo III
    Achievements IT'S OVER 9000!
    Quote Originally Posted by DeviousOne View Post
    Basically the article is completely out of line and misleading. While my phone gives off a signal the contents of my phone conversations and text messages are private and can not be RANDOMLY monitor unless it was court ordered. This idea how the government is going to have total control of your calls and all that is ludicrous.

    If anyone seriously believes this article i invite you to do some real research and lastly dont break any laws you'll be OK
    That is all correct. +rep




  14. #13
    Forum Sage

    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Age
    31
    Posts
    8,416
    Rep Power
    102
    Points
    1,700 (0 Banked)
    So the fact that this person was tracked without a warrant doesn't mean that the ninth or tenth amendment and certainly the fourteenth amendment don't apply to criminal law? How about the fact that nowhere in the constitution, are drugs of any sort, illegal? I hate to say it but, an illegal wiretap is an illegal wiretap is an illegal wiretap. Data was mined from his phone, in violation of the fourth amendment. Data isn't relegated to phone calls or texts. Data is data an no matter how it's obtained, probable cause AND a warrant ARE prerequisites for obtaining said data. This is a complete disregard for the constitution, yet again and the judge should be stripped of his position.

  15. #14
    Legend
    F34R's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    South Carolina
    PSN ID
    F34RTEHR34PER
    Posts
    40,109
    Rep Power
    244
    Points
    146,246 (0 Banked)
    Items BullySteamGran Turismo 5LiverpoolAppleJoker (limited ICON)Naughty DogMaster ChiefAssassins Creed EzioGears of WarHeavy RainDiablo III
    Achievements IT'S OVER 9000!
    Quote Originally Posted by Morganator View Post
    So the fact that this person was tracked without a warrant doesn't mean that the ninth or tenth amendment and certainly the fourteenth amendment don't apply to criminal law? How about the fact that nowhere in the constitution, are drugs of any sort, illegal? I hate to say it but, an illegal wiretap is an illegal wiretap is an illegal wiretap. Data was mined from his phone, in violation of the fourth amendment. Data isn't relegated to phone calls or texts. Data is data an no matter how it's obtained, probable cause AND a warrant ARE prerequisites for obtaining said data. This is a complete disregard for the constitution, yet again and the judge should be stripped of his position.
    There isn't any wiretap involved in this. Data wasn't mined from his phone. A warrant to track someone? Wtf? I need a warrant to allow a bloodhound to follow a scent of a criminal? I need to get a warrant to follow a car that was being driven by a guy that killed someone?

    You kinda need to actually read what went on here instead of relying on this bull$#@! article that was posted here.




  16. #15
    Forum Sage

    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Age
    31
    Posts
    8,416
    Rep Power
    102
    Points
    1,700 (0 Banked)
    Quote Originally Posted by F34R View Post
    There isn't any wiretap involved in this. Data wasn't mined from his phone. A warrant to track someone? Wtf? I need a warrant to allow a bloodhound to follow a scent of a criminal? I need to get a warrant to follow a car that was being driven by a guy that killed someone?

    You kinda need to actually read what went on here instead of relying on this bull$#@! article that was posted here.
    Was his phone or its features used in tracking the guy? Yes or No

    Fact is, the phone was and is private property. It doesn't matter how you or anyone else wants to word this. Private property cannot be involved without the issuance of a warrant. It doesn't matter that you think it would give the criminal an unfair advantage. As for the bloodhound, if it involves the bloodhound being on private property, then yes and only yes if the police have reasonable and probable cause. As for the car, again, if the car isn't otherwise reported stolen and there is other reasonable and probable cause, you should still have a warrant to track it as it is private property.

  17. #16
    Legend
    F34R's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    South Carolina
    PSN ID
    F34RTEHR34PER
    Posts
    40,109
    Rep Power
    244
    Points
    146,246 (0 Banked)
    Items BullySteamGran Turismo 5LiverpoolAppleJoker (limited ICON)Naughty DogMaster ChiefAssassins Creed EzioGears of WarHeavy RainDiablo III
    Achievements IT'S OVER 9000!
    Quote Originally Posted by Morganator View Post
    Was his phone or its features used in tracking the guy? Yes or No

    Fact is, the phone was and is private property. It doesn't matter how you or anyone else wants to word this. Private property cannot be involved without the issuance of a warrant. It doesn't matter that you think it would give the criminal an unfair advantage. As for the bloodhound, if it involves the bloodhound being on private property, then yes and only yes if the police have reasonable and probable cause. As for the car, again, if the car isn't otherwise reported stolen and there is other reasonable and probable cause, you should still have a warrant to track it as it is private property.
    Sorry, you're just lost I guess. They didn't use THE PHONE. They didn't take anything off his phone. This doesn't have a single thing about invading private property. There isn't any expectation of privacy in public places.




  18. #17
    Miqo'te Bard
    Yuuichi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    8,048
    Rep Power
    75
    Points
    15,650 (0 Banked)
    Items New User TitleProtect yourselfFull Metal AlchemistFangDark Souls CoverDemons Souls CoverBattlefield 3Title StyleUser name style
    I know there have been cases where they have used cell phones to track and find missing kids. At work on my phone so can't post any yet but will when I get home.

    It is not they going to waste time tracking every tom $#@! and harry. They have been doing this for years I thought.
    I have twitter to https://twitter.com/GamerYuichi , Also started youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMu7yRGCz8QrTyxaNVR3Tqw I don't always twitch, but when I can you can find my noobness http://www.twitch.tv/yuichimccry,




  19. #18
    Supreme Veteran
    claud3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Agartha
    PSN ID
    sophieskyrim126Era
    Age
    30
    Posts
    17,633
    Rep Power
    127
    Points
    1,067 (0 Banked)
    Items Tommy VercettiGTA Claude
    Achievements IT'S OVER 9000!
    Guys Guys Guys, you are not getting it. They track all kinds of calls and have been for decades. This is nothing new in my opinion and they will always track your calls and it wont stop. The internet when it was first around was tracked from the get go, so saying they are not allowed is false, becuase its always been happening.. guys having this sense of its against the law is so stupid. Becuase this is how it has been for decades
    Last edited by claud3; 08-18-2012 at 15:22.
    Plato and Aristotle, a detail of The School of Athens, a fresco by Raphael. Aristotle gestures to the earth, representing his belief in knowledge

  20. #19
    Forum Sage
    DeviousOne's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Orlando FL
    PSN ID
    DeviousOnePSU
    Age
    31
    Posts
    9,551
    Rep Power
    69
    Points
    61,675 (1,943 Banked)
    Items NintendoFirefox LogoPSN LogoWii BlackPaper MarioWiiUGran Turismo 53DSPS3 Slim
    Achievements IT'S OVER 9000!
    Ugh.... Lol

    Sent from my BlackBerry 9900 using Tapatalk

    ~~~OLD SKOOL~~~

  21. #20
    Forum Sage

    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Age
    31
    Posts
    8,416
    Rep Power
    102
    Points
    1,700 (0 Banked)
    Quote Originally Posted by F34R View Post
    Sorry, you're just lost I guess. They didn't use THE PHONE. They didn't take anything off his phone. This doesn't have a single thing about invading private property. There isn't any expectation of privacy in public places.
    Then why was it mentioned at all? If it didn't get used and had no part in the case, fine, if it did, then my point stands.

  22. #21
    Supreme Veteran
    claud3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Agartha
    PSN ID
    sophieskyrim126Era
    Age
    30
    Posts
    17,633
    Rep Power
    127
    Points
    1,067 (0 Banked)
    Items Tommy VercettiGTA Claude
    Achievements IT'S OVER 9000!
    still stand by my above post and will always... we have been tracked for decades and always will, its a fact of life and governments have been tracking the us for more then decades. Not only on phones but through other means
    Plato and Aristotle, a detail of The School of Athens, a fresco by Raphael. Aristotle gestures to the earth, representing his belief in knowledge

  23. #22
    Dave
    Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by Morganator View Post
    Except, it's still a violation of the fourth amendment. The judge can say it doesn't apply all he wants but it doesn't make him any less wrong about it. Furthermore, nowhere in the constitution, are the authorities given this kind of power. By doing so, the DEA violated the ninth, tenth and fourteenth amendments. The DEA's actions were wholly illegal, extrajudicial and unconstitutional.
    Tracking a phone via satellite GPS location isn't private property. You don't own satellite signals just because you bought your phone.

  24. #23
    Legend
    F34R's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    South Carolina
    PSN ID
    F34RTEHR34PER
    Posts
    40,109
    Rep Power
    244
    Points
    146,246 (0 Banked)
    Items BullySteamGran Turismo 5LiverpoolAppleJoker (limited ICON)Naughty DogMaster ChiefAssassins Creed EzioGears of WarHeavy RainDiablo III
    Achievements IT'S OVER 9000!
    Quote Originally Posted by claud3 View Post
    Guys Guys Guys, you are not getting it. They track all kinds of calls and have been for decades. This is nothing new in my opinion and they will always track your calls and it wont stop. The internet when it was first around was tracked from the get go, so saying they are not allowed is false, becuase its always been happening.. guys having this sense of its against the law is so stupid. Becuase this is how it has been for decades
    None of that has anything to do with the topic at hand, period.
    Quote Originally Posted by Morganator View Post
    Then why was it mentioned at all? If it didn't get used and had no part in the case, fine, if it did, then my point stands.
    Where was it mentioned?




  25. #24
    Unbound Mercenary
    Kwes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    16,250
    Rep Power
    144
    Points
    480,359 (0 Banked)
    Achievements IT'S OVER 9000!
    Quote Originally Posted by DeviousOne View Post
    If anyone seriously believes this article i invite you to do some real research and lastly dont break any laws you'll be OK
    This is what I figure. If you ain't got nothing to hide, then don't worry about it.
    Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.




  26. #25
    Supreme Veteran
    claud3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Agartha
    PSN ID
    sophieskyrim126Era
    Age
    30
    Posts
    17,633
    Rep Power
    127
    Points
    1,067 (0 Banked)
    Items Tommy VercettiGTA Claude
    Achievements IT'S OVER 9000!
    Its true, they track you always
    Plato and Aristotle, a detail of The School of Athens, a fresco by Raphael. Aristotle gestures to the earth, representing his belief in knowledge

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
vBCredits II Deluxe v2.1.0 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2010-2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.