your stance on abortion?

[Wrath]

I have my opinions on abortion but I'm in no way going to question another mans ability to raise his own children. That's just crossing the line.



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For the record, I didn't question his general ability to raise his children at all.

However, one can still make bad parenting mistakes. This is one of them.

[Lethal_NFS]

Not yet but I have my plans already. And please don't tell me to back off because I am not a parent yet

Until you are a parent, please keep your parenting advise to yourself. Nobody asked you to question anyone's parenting. Nor are you even in a position where you are needed to.

I can not stand it when people that do not even have kids of their own, think they know better. Until you are in that position, you do not have a damn clue as to what you would do. Just stick with the abortion topic.

[mickice]

Both did not want to have a baby, one did not want to have sex at all. There's a difference there...

So because I like milkshakes and I spill it on my favourite shirt I have to live with the stain, I can't clean up the mess?

[Wrath]

So because I like milkshakes and I spill it on my favourite shirt I have to live with the stain, I can't clean up the mess?

Don't compare apples with oranges.

We're not talking about milkshakes but actual lives that are potentially being taken away. Big difference there.

And Lethal, you don't need to be a parent to know that killing a life is wrong.

[mickice]

Then wanking must be right up there with genocide.

[Lethal_NFS]

And Lethal, you don't need to be a parent to know that killing a life is wrong.

Well many believe that until that baby takes it's first breath, it is not killing.

You may not be for abortion, but do not ever say I am a bad parent. And yes, I am pro abortion.

I am not going to sit here and say it is ok for one person to have an abortion and tell someone else they can't. Who is anyone to say that IF this happens, then it is fine. Makes no sense.

My friend had an abortion in high school and she became a doctor. She now has 3 beautiful children, and they are very well taken care of.

If she had that child in school, her life may not have been as great as it is now. It was her decision, and she feels she made the correct one. Who are any of us to say that it wasn't?

[Wrath]

Well many believe that until that baby takes it's first breath, it is not killing.

You may not be for abortion, but do not ever say I am a bad parent. And yes, I am pro abortion.

I am not going to sit here and say it is ok for one person to have an abortion and tell someone else they can't. Who is anyone to say that IF this happens, then it is fine. Makes no sense.

My friend had an abortion in high school and she became a doctor. She now has 3 beautiful children, and they are very well taken care of.

If she had that child in school, her life may not have been as great as it is now. It was her decision, and she feels she made the correct one. Who are any of us to say that it wasn't?

Once again, I didn't think of you as a pad parent in general but as someone that makes a bad parenting decision. Believe it or not, even fathers can do mistakes.

[itachi73378]

The ideal philosophical view that abortion is wrong because you're taking a life certainly makes sense, but there are certain gray areas that poke holes in that view, whether it's rape, health issues for the mother, etc. And if it's situational, then that means there is choice involved. Therefore I'm Pro-Choice!

And if you just want to allow abortion for certain situations, like being raped, then that can result in other issues, such as women accusing the man of rape whenever they want an abortion.

Would like to touch on an issue Ixion brought up, health issues for the mother.

I have a really great friend that was born with basically half a heart. She operates normally on a day to day basis, very much able to get pregnant. Her doctors say that there would be a strong chance she could die trying to carry full term..ending the chiles life as well.

I guess certain circumstances can make a choice like abortion much tougher than some people realize(not aimed at anyone in this thread).

Great posts, and they really highlight what I want to say. As much as we like it to be, the world is not black and white and people can be left with no choice but to have abortions.
I think the whole rape thing is a very legitimate argument.

So because I like milkshakes and I spill it on my favourite shirt I have to live with the stain, I can't clean up the mess?

Milkshake =/= human life
Argument invalid lol

[Lethal_NFS]

Once again, I didn't think of you as a pad parent in general but as someone that makes a bad parenting decision. Believe it or not, even fathers can do mistakes.

A mistake in your eyes does not mean it is a mistake in my eyes. What makes you think your decision is the correct one? I think letting a minor have a baby is bad parenting. There is no right or wrong answer.

There is only having faith that the decision that was made, was for the best.

[Wrath]

A mistake in your eyes does not mean it is a mistake in my eyes. What makes you think your decision is the correct one? I think letting a minor have a baby is bad parenting. There is no right or wrong answer.

There is only having faith that the decision that was made, was for the best.

How one can think that a decision where life is intentionally being taken away (aka murder) is for the best just puzzles me...

[Lethal_NFS]

How one can think that a decision where life is intentionally being taken away (aka murder) is for the best just puzzles me...

Sorry it puzzles you. But I also believe in the death penalty. I also believe in taking people off life support if they are brain dead. And I believe in abortion.

[DeviousOne]

Sorry it puzzles you. But I also believe in the death penalty. I also believe in taking people off life support if they are brain dead. And I believe in abortion.

I'm wish u on all that with the exception of abortion obviously...lol


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[Wrath]

Sorry it puzzles you. But I also believe in the death penalty. I also believe in taking people off life support if they are brain dead. And I believe in abortion.

Taking someone off life support is different though because your life is only being prolonged by machines. You're not committing a murder over taking away someone's machines. After all, it's his body that can't take it anymore so all you're doing is letting nature run its course.

Death penalty is for guys that (mostly) deserve to die anyway because they have taken someone else's life and, thus, don't appreciate what was given to them.

The one difference with abortion is the fact that the baby has done absolutely nothing wrong and can't even be communicated to. And it's the idea of killing off a helpless human being that is pissing me off.

[mickice]

Milkshake =/= human life
Argument invalid lol

In the right conditions that milk stain could become cheese and have a cheese life.
Argument validated.

[Wrath]

In the right conditions that milk stain could become cheese and have a cheese life.
Argument validated.

Please stop coming up with analogies that make absolutely no sense and just stick to the subject matter.

"Cheese life". Duh...

[MATRIX 2]

That makes little sense to me, it's better that two potentials rise than one rises cause the other got shot down.

What happens when we destroy ourselves due to overpopulation.

If she doesn't want to carry a full term, she shouldn't use the natural form of procreation as a tool of self gratification. Humans don't need sex to survive (not speaking as a species ), they have sex either to have children or for sexual pleasure. If you choose to use it for sexual pleasure, you best be prepared for the possible implications. This is just my philosophical view on it, that's all.

So I take it you prefer anal?


There is only 1 right answer:

It is between the doctor and the patient, if they are both willing to do it, then so be it.

Now if you had someone that was having multiple abortions just or the sake of it.......


A better question would be, is abortion better than conceiving a child with birth defects due to the mother making poor decisions (like fetal alcohol syndrome)?

[*goo]

Apart from the male having the ability to have some say in the situation (note: not the final decision), I'm not against abortion at all. If a mother-to-be decides she doesn't want to have the child, who am I (or anyone else) to say she must?

[Wrath]

Apart from the male having the ability to have some say in the situation (note: not the final decision), I'm not against abortion at all. If a mother-to-be decides she doesn't want to have the child, who am I (or anyone else) to say she must?

So if you happened to see a guy that was about to commit murder would you just walk away and say to yourself: 'Who am I to interrupt him?'

[Lethal_NFS]

Taking someone off life support is different though because your life is only being prolonged by machines. You're not committing a murder over taking away someone's machines. After all, it's his body that can't take it anymore so all you're doing is letting nature run its course.

Death penalty is for guys that (mostly) deserve to die anyway because they have taken someone else's life and, thus, don't appreciate what was given to them.

The one difference with abortion is the fact that the baby has done absolutely nothing wrong and can't even be communicated to. And it's the idea of killing off a helpless human being that is pissing me off.

You are making excuses for when you think it is ok to take a life. He killed him so he should be killed. You are saying there is good murder and bad murder.

I find it funny hearing people justify when it is ok, and not ok to kill. Anyone that approves of any sort of abortion or death penalty is clearly not against it.

But these are peoples opinions and I am not about to say you are wrong, nor am I going to say your are correct. I just like hearing hypocritical replies lol.

Examples.

1. Woman gets raped and never wanted a baby - It is ok for her to have an abortion.

2. A minor is having sex and gets pregnant, she never wanted a baby - It is not ok to have an abortion

3. Adults use protection, birth control, condoms, etc. She gets pregnant - It is not ok to have an abortion

Ummmm, ok? It is ok for the woman who was raped to kill her baby because but it is not ok for anyone else? That is just ridiculous.

[The Black Wolf]

I'm okay with women who are raped wanting an abortion. What I'm against is these hot mama's going around sleeping with guys, with no regard for protection or birth control. When they come up pregnant, they just take a trip to the abortion clinic and go back to partying.

Really, even if you are raped, you should spare your child. The guy or whoever raped you, the child didn't do anything.

A long time ago, there was a song by Nick Cannon called "Can I Live?" His mom decided not to abort him and he will always be grateful for that.

I also have a cousin who is the child of a rape. I bet she's grateful her mother let my uncle adopt her intstead of destroying her.

[Wrath]

You are making excuses for when you think it is ok to take a life. He killed him so he should be killed. You are saying there is good murder and bad murder.

I find it funny hearing people justify when it is ok, and not ok to kill. Anyone that approves of any sort of abortion or death penalty is clearly not against it.

But these are peoples opinions and I am not about to say you are wrong, nor am I going to say your are correct. I just like hearing hypocritical replies lol.

So are you telling me that you can't see the difference between an unborn baby being murdered and a guy that has killed a civilian? I am not saying that I am pro death penalty but I simply do not care as much as I do about abortion because a baby has not even had the chance to experience life in general.

[Lethal_NFS]

So are you telling me that you can't see the difference between an unborn baby being murdered and a guy that has killed a civilian? I am not saying that I am pro death penalty but I simply do not care as much as I do about abortion because a baby has not even had the chance to experience life in general.

I am pro death penalty so I could care less if that person dies. It is not my business.

I am pro abortion so I could care less if someone decides to abort their child. It is not my business. And unborn child is not born. And if you are not born, how do you die? This is a subject that has no right or wrong answers.

You are asking me if I can see the difference. Well, can you?

[*goo]

So if you happened to see a guy that was about to commit murder would you just walk away and say to yourself: 'Who am I to interrupt him?'

Poor analogy. One is a crime, the other is not.

[Wrath]

Poor analogy. One is a crime, the other is not.

And that's EXACTLY where you're wrong.

The doctor is intentionally killing an unborn baby. Where don't you see the crime in that? Difference is that it's a legalised crime in some states, as crazy as it sounds.

[Lethal_NFS]

And that's EXACTLY where you're wrong.

The doctor is intentionally killing an unborn baby. Where don't you see the crime in that? Difference is that it's a legalised crime in some states, as crazy as it sounds.

What? The law is what makes a crime, a crime. Your beliefs do not make it a crime lol.

And abortion is legal in every single state, and has been for the past 40yrs. There is a difference between abortion, and late term abortion.


In the end, if the woman does not want to carry a child in her body, then she has every right not to. That is her body, her life, her decision. If she is an adult.