your stance on abortion?

[Wrath]

What? The law is what makes a crime, a crime. Your beliefs do not make it a crime lol.

And abortion is legal in every single state, and has been for the past 40yrs. There is a difference between abortion, and late term abortion.

What I'm trying to say is that for some stupid reason abortion has been legalised even though you're essentially killing human life. Where is the logic in that?

[Lethal_NFS]

What I'm trying to say is that for some stupid reason abortion has been legalised even though you're essentially killing human life. Where is the logic in that?

You can not tell a woman she has no choice. That is her body. If she does not want to go through the pains and life altering changes, who are we to say she must? It is easy for a guy to say she can't. We do not have to go through anything during that 9 months. Guys can disappear, leaving the woman to take care of that child by herself. It simple for men to assume they know what is right or wrong. The woman has the choice, whether you approve of it or not.

[*goo]

Abortion has been legalised because our society recognises and values a woman's right to be in control of her reproductive system. That's the complete opposite of 'some stupid reason'.

Explain to me the morality in this:

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/18/wo...html?hpt=hp_t1

[Wrath]

You can not tell a woman she has no choice. That is her body. If she does not want to go through the pains and life altering changes, who are we to say she must? It is easy for a guy to say she can't. We do not have to go through anything during that 9 months. Guys can disappear, leaving the woman to take care of that child by herself. It simple for men to assume they know what is right or wrong. The woman has the choice, whether you approve of it or not.

And I understand that.

However, that's very selfish thinking. Only because some girl doesn't quite want to go through the pain of getting a baby she is allowed to simply kill it off? Who asked the baby?

[Lethal_NFS]

Abortion has been legalised because our society recognises and values a woman's right to be in control of her reproductive system. That's the complete opposite of 'some stupid reason'.

Explain to me the morality in this:

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/18/wo...html?hpt=hp_t1

That is just terrible. If the mother dies, the child dies. That child should have been aborted immediately and that girl should have been getting her chemo treatment.

And I understand that.

However, that's very selfish thinking. Only because some girl doesn't quite want to go through the pain of getting a baby she is allowed to simply kill it off? Who asked the baby?

Who asked the baby if it wanted to be conceived?

This is my last post because this is just a revolving door. All opinions are welcome, none are incorrect. Please make sure you guys keep this civil and do not insult anyones opinion. This includes calling them bad parents lol.

[itachi73378]

In the right conditions that milk stain could become cheese and have a cheese life.
Argument validated.

Cheese life =/= Human life
Invalidated again

I still am against abortion even in rape situations although I don't know if my stance would change if my daughter/sister etc was a rape victim. Its extremely prejudice to abort the baby just because the father was a low life scum. The child deserves to live either way. If it hurts the mother to look at him/her because she is reminded of that incident, then give the child for adoption.

[-Kwesnoth-]

Sex is fun, children are not. We are only human guys, things happen.

Has the human race fallen so low that "We are only human guys," is an excuse to kill an unborn child that might grow up to be the next Einstein? Has the race lost its ability to not give in to primal urges to just fuck up everything in sight?

So if this just keeps going, eventually man will just be a unsatisfied raping machine since, "We are only human guys,". And whats next? If the most is bored or tired of dealing with kids, she can just kill em' cause shes the mother?

[Lethal_NFS]

Cheese life =/= Human life
Invalidated again

I still am against abortion even in rape situations although I don't know if my stance would change if my daughter/sister etc was a rape victim. Its extremely prejudice to abort the baby just because the father was a low life scum. The child deserves to live either way. If it hurts the mother to look at him/her because she is reminded of that incident, then give the child for adoption.

A great non-hypocritical reply.

[Wrath]

Abortion has been legalised because our society recognises and values a woman's right to be in control of her reproductive system. That's the complete opposite of 'some stupid reason'.

Explain to me the morality in this:

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/18/wo...html?hpt=hp_t1

This right there is an example of where exceptions could be made. Of course your own life comes first so if a baby endangers the life of his mom there unfortunately is no other way than aborting.

However, it's been proven that most abortions are initiated by young and careless women who, albeit all kinds of sex education, do it without any protection just for the fun of it.

How can such a woman even closely be described as having control of her reproductive system? In the end, the baby dies because the girl wanted to have some fun.

Explain to me the morality in this.

[btbam]

Abortion is one of the most cruel acts of humanity. Snubbing out a life before it has a chance to exercise its own sovereignty. Had the child been given the option do you think they would choose not to exist? Hell no. Abortions as a method of contraception should never be allowed. Only in cases of rape and if the mother's life is in danger should she carry the child to term should it ever be allowed. Obviously it the mother is in mortal danger, she should not be forced to carry to term something that could kill her. Rape, another cruel act of physical violation also legitimizes the abortion. The pregnancy and the child itself becomes a constant reminder of the physical torture she endured. Any other case i say absolutely no. The right to life always trumps the so called "right to choose" for a woman.

[*goo]

So what you're saying is force someone to be a mother? Is that the remedy?

(Obviously with the grey exceptions that you feel like approving)

[mickice]

Being dumb enough to fall pregnant does not make you smart enough to be a mother.

[R3D D3V!L]

All situations are different so there isn't a definite answer. I'll leave it at that.

[-Kwesnoth-]

Being dumb enough to fall pregnant does not make you smart enough to be a mother.

Since when does intelligence come into being a mother. When does being dumb allow a stupid girl to kill an unborn child?

[Wrath]

So what you're saying is force someone to be a mother? Is that the remedy?

(Obviously with the grey exceptions that you feel like approving)

People with a bit of decency actually carry out the child and then hand it over to a foster home. Both sides can be happy and no one has to die.

It's easier than you think to make the right choice.

[*goo]

You don't mean the right choice, you mean the choice that fits with your personal view. A right choice for you isn't a right choice for me. Or the next person. Or the person after that.

I'll support freedom of choice every step of the way. Does that mean people will sometimes make decisions I don't necessarily agree with? Of course it does. However, I'll continue to recognise their right to be able to make that choice in line with the laws of the land.

[Wrath]

You don't mean the right choice, you mean the choice that fits with your personal view. A right choice for you isn't a right choice for me. Or the next person. Or the person after that.

I'll support freedom of choice every step of the way. Does that mean people will sometimes make decisions I don't necessarily agree with? Of course it does. However, I'll continue to recognise their right to be able to make that choice in line with the laws of the land.

So why do we have laws? Aren't they restricting our rights in a way to enhance our well-being?

Sometimes, restrictions are needed and a person's freedom of choice is not always above everything else.

[MATRIX 2]

Nobody addressed my previous post.

And I love people making up the excuses for not having abortions?

Human potential? We are facing a population crisis, which nobody seems to be worrying about. So forgive me if I don't care much about human life in a broad sense. We don't need more people, we need better people. And you can't get that with the quantities we are talking about.

In cases of rape: So a low life scum. Wonder why a person is like that. Perhaps is was their upbringing. Or perhaps it is also due to bad genetics, which will be passed on and allowed to prosper if a baby born of rape is not able to be aborted.

Adoption: Considering how many existing kinds there are today that are not infants that are orphans and have no permanent foster family, this is the biggest joke of them all. Doesn't help when you have celebrities going out and adopting kids from third world countries, eschewing kids that need homes back in their own countries.

There isn't much point in life if you won't receive a proper upbringing, more harm can come from it than good.

And in the end it all comes back down to what I said earlier, its between the doctor and the patient. Nothing more and nothing less.

[btbam]

So what you're saying is force someone to be a mother? Is that the remedy?

(Obviously with the grey exceptions that you feel like approving)

Adoption is always an option. Historically gay couples have been unable to adopt children, yet there are hundreds of thousands of couple who wish to adopt but cannot. There are also traditional couple who are hindered by the adoption process here, the bureaucracy, the fees etc. You relinquish your free choice when you harm others, this is especially true when people's lives are involved. Abortion is an immoral act. It is reprehensible.

[Ixion]

Only in cases of rape and if the mother's life is in danger should she carry the child to term should it ever be allowed.

If there is an exception according to your reasoning, or better yet, multiple exceptions, then you are making a choice. And if choice is sometimes needed, then shouldn't those choices be left to the mother?

You're saying the mother's well-being comes before the child in certain cases, but what if there are other gray areas more specific to the situation that are just as damaging? Ultimately, according to what you're saying, it should just be left to choice, no matter how sick it makes you feel.

I used to have the same view as you, but this is what I came to realize.

[Shibby]

Everyone is ​so sure of what is "correct" and what they would do if ever presented with a hypothetical situation. Unless you're ever actually facing the predicament, you don't know, maybe you'll change your mind.

For this reason, I have no opinion.

[btbam]

If there is an exception according to your reasoning, or better yet, multiple exceptions, then you are making a choice. And if choice is sometimes needed, then shouldn't those choices be left to the mother?

You're saying the mother's well-being comes before the child in certain cases, but what if there are other gray areas more specific to the situation that are just as damaging? Ultimately, according to what you're saying, it should just be left to choice, no matter how sick it makes you feel.

I used to have the same view as you, but this is what I came to realize.

I don't think its much of a grey area. I will only accommodate abortion when the mother's life is in danger by the pregnancy. I mean she will die or will likely die by carrying the child to term. This does not accommodate the well being of the mother, only if the mother is in mortal peril. Also with rape because the mother was not consenting, and the act of rape is a violent a vicious attack on the mother's body.

[x6Teen]

This!

If u can have sex then u can raise a baby I can't stand people that think its ok to get an abortion because I'm not ready or it wasn't planned? Wtf time to wake up and be an adult!!

The ONLY time I could except it is if the woman was raped...

Any other time no I wouldn't be ok with it. In america they have clinics that will give you contraceptives for FREE so no excuse for that shit. If ur going to have sex be responsible I always am.



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how though? money doesn't come out of peoples asses.

[Tribunal]

Pro Choice,

If you can't raise the baby or just don't want it, I would prefer it just been given up for Adoption however. Ultimately I believe it is the mothers choice what to do with the Baby while it's in her body.

[Wrath]

how though? money doesn't come out of peoples asses.

You don't need money, you need the ability to judge.

Either have protected sex until you're ready or be prepared for a baby at any time. So many people just don't seem to get that.