your stance on abortion?

[Dave]

I didn't read this thread at all -- but has anyone taken into account how the child would feel in this situation?

I'm not sure about you guys, but if I grew up knowing that I'd never know my father or even have a remote chance of knowing my Dad, I'd be devastated. Not to mention that there is the potential that your father is now in prison for the rape and that's something you have to live with your entire life knowing. And I'm sure once someone catches wind of it at school, you'll be the source of torment, bullying, and ridicule for years -- especially if you're socially awkward on top of that.

To be honest, and I'm not pro-abortion or pro-life, I'm really undecided on how I feel about the whole situation, but ultimately, I think it would be completely and utter shitty to grow up as the product of a rape. I think it would be emotionally and mentally damaging (more often than not), even with being adopted.

Quite frankly, I think you'd have to be a pretty big asshole to want to see a kid grow up in a social life circle like that one and there is a strong possibility that it's happening every day to some kid already because his mother didn't have a choice.

[Lethal_NFS]

Hmmmm, so I guess there are not many wanting to come to my abortion party?

[DayWalker]

pro choice.

couple points I saw while skimming this thread.

1) being able to perform the act of sexual intercourse IN NO WAY = you are capable of raising a child. So stop saying that it does.
2) even if you use protection and take all the necessary precautions pregnancy is possible, some of you don't seem to be aware of this...

3) everyone knows that women who are "legitimately raped" cannot get pregnant.



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see... there are flares and shit in there

[Blacksite]

I've been ridiculed by the friends of one of my friends on Facebook once for getting into the topic of abortion and saying that I didn't feel like there was anything wrong with a woman getting an abortion. The way some of them responded you'd think I had broken into their house and killed their entire family. Lol.

But hey, that's cool... Let them go on their crusade of righteousness with their presumptions about the kid and that he/she is destined to do great things. We should also call the mother a whore because she's clearly possessed for even considering the thought of making up her own mind. While we're at it, let's continue believing that there's no such thing as rape having gone unreported and brush any statistics about the ordeal under the rug.

And I agree with Lethal in that it's really no business of someone who isn't a parent to tell that parent what to do. Worry about your own life.

[claud3]

Its a conversation, but we need a female perspective on this highly indifferent subject

[DeviousOne]

how though? money doesn't come out of peoples asses.

Relevance of this response to my post? I really hope i do not have to explain it to you?

[F34R]

I've been ridiculed by the friends of one of my friends on Facebook once for getting into the topic of abortion and saying that I didn't feel like there was anything wrong with a woman getting an abortion. The way some of them responded you'd think I had broken into their house and killed their entire family. Lol.

But hey, that's cool... Let them go on their crusade of righteousness with their presumptions about the kid and that he/she is destined to do great things. We should also call the mother a whore because she's clearly possessed for even considering the thought of making up her own mind. While we're at it, let's continue believing that there's no such thing as rape having gone unreported and brush any statistics about the ordeal under the rug.

And I agree with Lethal in that it's really no business of someone who isn't a parent to tell that parent what to do. Worry about your own life.

I think it's their choice. I can't think of it any other way on this side of the fence I guess. The "whore" part is just subjective. It's probably not because of what happened to her, but how she speaks. It's like calling a man a "cunt". People do it for their own reasons and outlooks on people I guess.

[keefy]

Looks Quite gruesome Dunno if its real or not.

http://youtu.be/DFEooKVwcQE

NSFW

[-Kwesnoth-]

You don't need money, you need the ability to judge.

Either have protected sex until you're ready or be prepared for a baby at any time. So many people just don't seem to get that.

Or..just don't have sex at all until you're ready for kids.

[F34R]

Or..just don't have sex at all until you're ready for kids.

That makes perfect sense. It kinda makes me think badly of people who have sex, and then have abortions when they find out they are pregnant.

[Soldier 95B]

I support the woman's right to decide for herself. I will never tell them what they can or cannot do with their body. I don't have a say...unless of course it was mine.


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[-Kwesnoth-]

That makes perfect sense. It kinda makes me think badly of people who have sex, and then have abortions when they find out they are pregnant.

What better way to stop abortions is just not have sex unless you want a kid.

But today they have all these sex education classes which are supposed to inform kids of the dangers. It'd be like showing a 14 year old boy some porn, and how to fap, and then expecting him not too. Its all a joke.

[Shibby]

I avoided this whole thing with my last post, but I figured what the hell, I'll give it a shot. I'm not really picking sides (reason: see last post), but I'll try to provide justifications and counters for both.

This is going to include a lot of "however"s and "but"s...

I support everyone's right to choose.

However, every action has a consequence, and while we have a right to choose, one of my biggest beliefs is that we have an obligation of accountability, to accept the responsibilities and consequences of our chosen actions.

A girl/woman who is not ready to raise a child, but chooses to have sex, knows that no matter how safe she is, there is always a risk of pregnancy (unless she and/or her partner are physically unable to have kids).

She chooses to have sex anyway. (But this is obviously different in the case of rape, where the girl does not choose to have sex.)

Having the choice to get an abortion is essentially a choice to not deal with the consequences of your chosen actions. This is a shitty metaphor, but if someone chooses to commit a crime, gets caught, and is given jail time as a result, he can't choose to abort his prison sentence.

She can choose to keep the baby or abort the baby, but another possible choice is to have the baby and give it up for adoption, to people who are unable to have children but are ready and desperate to be parents. And to forego that option with the excuse that she doesn't want to go through the pain and ruin her body, or if she's young enough, to be a social outcast, is a pretty selfish thing to do (see previous comments on accountability).

However, I also don't like the idea of telling someone about "right" and "wrong" choices, especially when the action in question is not illegal.

I've already stated one of my biggest beliefs. Well, another one of my biggest beliefs is that only shitty people try to impose their beliefs on others.

(The amount of times I used the word "choose" and its variations: entirely intentional for emphasis).

[x6Teen]

You don't need money, you need the ability to judge.

Either have protected sex until you're ready or be prepared for a baby at any time. So many people just don't seem to get that.

shit happens even when on birth control, condoms etc. ya know

Relevance of this response to my post? I really hope i do not have to explain it to you?

what do you mean by 'time to become an adult'?

[Xelios]

Fuck yeah abortions!

[Ghost-Rhayne]

What better way to stop abortions is just not have sex unless you want a kid.

But today they have all these sex education classes which are supposed to inform kids of the dangers. It'd be like showing a 14 year old boy some porn, and how to fap, and then expecting him not too. Its all a joke.

This. Unfortunately that's just not how it goes...

Oooh oooh I want to feel amazing and haz a orgasums! Oooh it feels good! This non essential act of physical pleasure is amazing....Ooops, I created a baby...hmmm, I know I indulged in the act of procreation just so I could cum, but now I accidently created this baby...Ahhh well,see ya buddy!

[MedicDog]

Fuck yeah abortions!

Pretty much this.

[dc89]

Guys just a polite reminder to keep this sensible and on topic.

[claud3]

Guys, as my other posts in this thread as pointed out. We can not choose or have the power to favor what ladies want in terms if for or against abortion. Plus the affects this has on those around them. Does a father, mother and family encourage the daughter, girlfriend or friend to have an abortion and does not understand the life long effect it has on them emotionally, mentally and physical. Can we understand the change of mind during an abortion operation and what damaged that has done to the boby, the long term effects are cruel. Plus the baby might not be the only person that dies during the abortion. Does a family that encouraged the abortion, do they later disown their own for what they did and get that they are the ones that pushed this situation. Or do they let them raise the baby and help out for security. Or do they regret letting them keep the baby. You see the wrong or right answer is not there. Because we as outsiders do not have the right solution to this. Its a womans choice and only their choice. The hamun condition is set to what it is. Having a girlfriend and having and her being with baby, how do you have that conversation when you have not been there. And how do you learn what see wants, you deal with the fact you want to keep the baby and she goes behid your back and has the abortion and says it was a miscarriage. You see so many factors in a area that has so my emotional connections and great or bad outcomes. Be you for it or not, you have to be in that type of situation to really understand if what you have learnt, is what you actually believe to be the right coruse of action. We can go on and on about this and say i would not have sex or i wear protection and kids are brats. But we hope their is a right answer to this life changing situation. But their is not. You are either for it or against. But you are signing onto a very emotionally drivin path

[The Black Wolf]

Its a conversation, but we need a female perspective on this highly indifferent subject

I'm a woman and I gave my thoughts on page 3 of this topic.

[claud3]

My bad, did not know

And i will read it

[spyrde]

I say it all depends on the situation and what the mother thinks is the right choice. If the mother is raped, protection has failed, the mothers health is in danger or the mother cannot take care of the child for financial reasons, then I say it's up to the mother to do the decision. Of course adoption is a great choice too, but that choice is immediately crossed when the mothers health is in danger or when the mother has been raped.

[unicron7]

Pro-Choice. A woman's body is her own fucking business. Don't exactly see these self righteous Christians standing in line to adopt these unwanted/impoverished children they care so much about. Once they leave the womb nobody gives a shit. Just another welfare baby that they can then ridicule for being on welfare. There's just no pleasing the far right. Abstinence doesn't work and never will. It goes against our DNA and programming. People are born to have sex. A woman is at her sexual prime at 16. She's ready to go and does. It's called being human.

[weskurtz81]

Pro-Choice. A woman's body is her own fucking business. Don't exactly see these self righteous Christians standing in line to adopt these unwanted/impoverished children they care so much about. Once they leave the womb nobody gives a shit. Just another welfare baby that they can then ridicule for being on welfare. There's just no pleasing the far right. Abstinence doesn't work and never will. It goes against our DNA and programming. People are born to have sex. A woman is at her sexual prime at 16. She's ready to go and does. It's called being human.

Actually, over 100,000 children are adopted per year, and the list of parents waiting to adopt is MUCH longer than that. It's very difficult to adopt an American child, the government has made sure of that, so often times people just end up adopting children from some other country.

As far as "a woman's body is her own business", those that disagree with abortion (and I can assure you it's a pretty good mix, not only "far right") are more concerned with taking the life of the unborn baby. It really doesn't have anything to do with women.

Anyway, no need to get so angry about it, there are valid points on both sides.

[PeanutButterMunky]

Actually, over 100,000 children are adopted per year, and the list of parents waiting to adopt is MUCH longer than that. It's very difficult to adopt an American child, the government has made sure of that, so often times people just end up adopting children from some other country.

As far as "a woman's body is her own business", those that disagree with abortion (and I can assure you it's a pretty good mix, not only "far right") are more concerned with taking the life of the unborn baby. It really doesn't have anything to do with women.

Anyway, no need to get so angry about it, there are valid points on both sides.

This... and I'll be adopting when the time comes.