your stance on abortion?

[Ixion]

I don't think its much of a grey area. I will only accommodate abortion when the mother's life is in danger by the pregnancy. I mean she will die or will likely die by carrying the child to term. This does not accommodate the well being of the mother, only if the mother is in mortal peril. Also with rape because the mother was not consenting, and the act of rape is a violent a vicious attack on the mother's body.

Those are gray areas though. Hardcore Right To Life supporters might still be against abortion in those two cases, because if a fetus is viewed the same as a born child, then aborting the fetus when the mother is in danger could be viewed the same as a mother killing her child in order to save herself. I'm sure most Right To Life supporters don't agree with that, but some do. And then rape matters even less, as a lot of people insist the fetus shouldn't be punished for the rape.

So what are not gray areas to other people are indeed gray areas for you. And if subjectivity is involved, as you yourself has shown, then that subjectivity should be left to the person closest to the situation, the mother.

[mickice]

As the majority of us are men we have very little say in the matter even when it's our own seed. Women will do what they want through legal methods or third party ways if they must. Also lets put this into some perspective, its not like these girls are aborting babies every other weekend, that would be physically impossible, lol.

Another area to discuss is when does it become a life. Where does the soul come in?
I personally don't believe souls exist.

[-Kwesnoth-]

As the majority of us are men we have very little say in the matter even when it's our own seed. Women will do what they want through legal methods or third party ways if they must. Also lets put this into some perspective, its not like these girls are aborting babies every other weekend, that would be physically impossible, lol.

Just a little tidbit. Whoopi Goldberg has had over 6 abortions as of 2007. Her first was at the age of 14 which she preformed on herself.

What a wonderful world we live in.

[DeviousOne]

Just a little tidbit. Whoopi Goldberg has had over 6 abortions as of 2007. Her first was at the age of 14 which she preformed on herself.

What a wonderful world we live in.

More disturbing who would have sex with whoopi goldberg?

[Yuuichi]

As the majority of us are men we have very little say in the matter even when it's our own seed. Women will do what they want through legal methods or third party ways if they must. Also lets put this into some perspective, its not like these girls are aborting babies every other weekend, that would be physically impossible, lol.

Another area to discuss is when does it become a life. Where does the soul come in?
I personally don't believe souls exist.

Yeah I think it is bs a man dosent have a say when it dam sure takes two to make that baby.
The heart begins beating at 4 weeks. That to me is life. Far as the souls thing I believe in it but I couldn't say if its when the heart starts beating or sooner. Only thing I could think is when the heart starts beating that is a sighn the soul has enetered the body. It is my opinon only so hopefully no one flames me.

[Ixion]

Yeah I think it is bs a man dosent have a say when it dam sure takes two to make that baby.

I think the woman should take the man's thoughts into account, but at the end of the day, I feel it should be the woman's decision. They're still going through something a lot more personal than the man.

[claud3]

Sorry i can not vote on this. Because so may emotional factors are associated with this, that i would be believing in something that holds a lot of ground with many on all three sides

[PeanutButterMunky]

More disturbing who would have sex with whoopi goldberg?

LOL... that's the only thought that was running through my head.

[mickice]

What a wonderful world we live in.

Exactly and you want to force a child into this world where it is an accident, not wanted, a creation of rape? Even in the best conditions life is one struggle after the next.

Given the choice I would have dodged that egg completely. But since im hear I try and make the most of it.

[Typical guy]

I declare this man to be an idiot.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/20/us/politics/todd-akin-provokes-ire-with-legitimate-rape-comment.html?_r=1&smid=pl-share


KANSAS CITY, Mo. — In an effort to explain his stance on abortion, Representative Todd Akin, the Republican Senate nominee from Missouri, provoked ire across the political spectrum on Sunday by saying that in instances of what he called “legitimate rape,” women’s bodies somehow blocked an unwanted pregnancy.
Jeff Roberson/Associated Press

Representative Todd Akin, a Missouri Republican, is running for the Senate.


Asked in an interview on a St. Louis television station about his views on abortion, Mr. Akin, a six-term member of Congress who is backed by Tea Party conservatives, made it clear that his opposition to the practice was nearly absolute, even in instances of rape.
“It seems to me, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare,” Mr. Akin said of pregnancies from rape. “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something: I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be of the rapist, and not attacking the child.”
The comments, made during an interview with KTVI-TV that was posted on Sunday on the station’s Web site, provoked howls of outrage from Democrats and women’s rights organizations. Senator Claire McCaskill, the Democrat who will face Mr. Akin in the November election, immediately took to Twitter with a blunt response. “As a woman & former prosecutor who handled 100s of rape cases,” she wrote, “I’m stunned by Rep Akin’s comments about victims this AM.”
Mr. Akin quickly backtracked from his taped comments, saying he “misspoke.”
“In reviewing my off-the-cuff remarks, it’s clear that I misspoke in this interview, and it does not reflect the deep empathy I hold for the thousands of women who are raped and abused every year,” Mr. Akin, who has a background in engineering and is a member of the House science committee, said in a statement. “I recognize that abortion, and particularly in the case of rape, is a very emotionally charged issue. But I believe deeply in the protection of all life, and I do not believe that harming another innocent victim is the right course of action.”
The Republican presidential ticket of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan was quick to distance itself from Mr. Akin’s remarks.
“Governor Romney and Congressman Ryan disagree with Mr. Akin’s statement,” the campaign said. “A Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape.”
Ms. McCaskill, who is seeking a second term in the Senate, is seen as one of the most politically vulnerable Democratic incumbents on the ballot this fall, beset by her ties to President Obama and tens of millions in dollars spent against her by outside advocacy groups.
Mr. Akin, 65, won the Senate Republican primary this month with strong support from Missouri’s religious conservatives. But he was also helped by Ms. McCaskill, whose campaign spent nearly $2 million on ads portraying Mr. Akin as ultraconservative. It was a clear attempt to bolster his candidacy among more conservative primary voters while gambling that the independents and moderate Republicans needed to win the election would be turned off by his views on social issues.
Political observers have said Ms. McCaskill’s best chance of defending her seat, and perhaps the Democrats’ majority in the Senate, is to paint her opponent as extreme.
“Claire McCaskill will certainly amplify this remark, make sure everybody’s heard it,” said Dave Robertson, a professor of political science at the University of Missouri-St. Louis.
Mike Talboy, the Democratic minority leader in the Missouri Legislature, said that he had spoken to members of both parties about Mr. Akin’s comments and had found uniform outrage.
“Nobody has defended him,” Mr. Talboy said. “That, I think, is pretty telling.”
Brian Walsh, the communications director for the National Republican Senatorial Committee, declined to address what impact Mr. Akin’s comments might have on the Senate race. But he wrote in an e-mail that “Congressman Akin did the right thing by quickly correcting the record and acknowledging that he misspoke.” He said the election would be a referendum on Ms. McCaskill’s voting record and support for the president’s agenda.
If this state is truly aligning itself with more conservative values, some believe that Mr. Akin’s comments might actually help him politically.
Jamie Tomek, president of the Missouri branch of the National Organization for Women, who lives in the county where Mr. Akin grew up and says she knows his parents, said she was not surprised by the statement and did not think it would cost him much ahead of the election.
“He is very far right and very likely to make those types of statements,” Ms. Tomek said.
John Eligon reported from Kansas City, and Michael Schwirtz from New York. Rebecca Berg contributed reporting from Washington.

[-Kwesnoth-]

Exactly and you want to force a child into this world where it is an accident, not wanted, a creation of rape? Even in the best conditions life is one struggle after the next.

Given the choice I would have dodged that egg completely. But since im hear I try and make the most of it.

So? Then I guess you think birth should just stop? Cause thats what your saying, life is too hard so why not just take it away from a baby. Give me a fucking break man.

So in Mickice's perfect little world, people just go around fucking everything in sight because they have lost all sense of control. Aborted fetuses are just laying around everywhere because of all the abortions, but after all..."We are only human guys".

[Wrath]

So? Then I guess you think birth should just stop? Cause thats what your saying, life is too hard so why not just take it away from a baby. Give me a fucking break man.

So in Mickice's perfect little world, people just go around fucking everything in sight because they have lost all sense of control. Aborted fetuses are just laying around everywhere because of all the abortions, but after all..."We are only human guys".

I sure as hell don't wanna live in his perfect little world, lol.

[F34R]

I sure as hell don't wanna live in his perfect little world, lol.

I'll take the fuck all over hehe....

[Typical guy]

So? Then I guess you think birth should just stop? Cause thats what your saying, life is too hard so why not just take it away from a baby. Give me a fucking break man.

So in Mickice's perfect little world, people just go around fucking everything in sight because they have lost all sense of control. Aborted fetuses are just laying around everywhere because of all the abortions, but after all..."We are only human guys".

Of course they should stop the birth. Why should a woman have to carry the baby of a man that raped her? To make matters worse, in 34 of the states in America, the states have no law banning the rapist from access to the child. This means that often times the mother, if she doesn't abort, has to share custody and stay in constant contact with the man that rapped her.

[DayWalker]

not to mention that pregnancy itself is no walk in the park... both physically and emotionally...

i was at a conference in school titled something like "the biomechanical failure during vaginal birth"... and there were videos.

that stuff made me very much consider never having kids b/c I don't think I could put someone through all that.... yeesh.

[Vulgotha]

Against.

[mickice]

So? Then I guess you think birth should just stop? Cause thats what your saying, life is too hard so why not just take it away from a baby. Give me a fucking break man.

So in Mickice's perfect little world, people just go around fucking everything in sight because they have lost all sense of control. Aborted fetuses are just laying around everywhere because of all the abortions, but after all..."We are only human guys".

A little extreme dont you think? There are 7 billion people in this world, we have hunger, poverty, neglect and abuse of children all over the world. I certainly don't see any aborted fetuses.

A perfect world where EVERY woman is able to spend 9months carrying a child without it affecting her dreams, career or health? lol.
Sometimes abortion is the best option.

[BoyBettaKnow]

I'm not religious so as long as the couple/mother think abortion is their best option (and as long as they're not past ~20 weeks) abort away.


BBK. Tapatalking.

[weskurtz81]

I'm not religious so as long as the couple/mother think abortion is their best option (and as long as they're not past ~20 weeks) abort away.


BBK. Tapatalking.

I don't think being against abortion and religion are mutually exclusive. It really just depends on when you think life begins and your morals.

[-Kwesnoth-]

A little extreme dont you think? There are 7 billion people in this world, we have hunger, poverty, neglect and abuse of children all over the world. I certainly don't see any aborted fetuses.

A perfect world where EVERY woman is able to spend 9months carrying a child without it affecting her dreams, career or health? lol.
Sometimes abortion is the best option.

Sometimes to push an idea into the understanding of a person for whom you disagree, an extreme situation is required.

My point was at what level does it stop? To avoid pregnancy, avoid sex, if rape is the reason for the pregnancy then offer the child up for adoption, since rape only accounts for a small fraction of pregnancies.

I remember a story of a teen girl in high school who got pregnant long before she should have with consensual sex with another student. The girl lacked the maturity needed to cope with it, and thus the baby was born in secret in the bathroom of the school, where the girl tried to flush the newborn child down the toilet. She should not have had sex until at least she was out of high school, since a brain is not fully matured until 21.

Its not a matter of "abortion is the easy answer", its a matter of not getting in the situation where a question is brought about that needs such an answer.

[Ixion]

if rape is the reason for the pregnancy then offer the child up for adoption, since rape only accounts for a small fraction of pregnancies.

Don't you think you're brushing that off a little too casually? Not only does a woman get raped, but she has to bear the fetus for 9 months, and then if it's given up for adoption, she still has a child out in the world, and even worse, she can't be with him/her. If it happens at a very young age, say 13 or 14, then the situation is even worse. There's a lot of physical and mental damage involved. Especially as a man, to tell a woman to go through with that, I just don't think it's right.

I remember a story of a teen girl in high school who got pregnant long before she should have with consensual sex with another student. The girl lacked the maturity needed to cope with it, and thus the baby was born in secret in the bathroom of the school, where the girl tried to flush the newborn child down the toilet. She should not have had sex until at least she was out of high school, since a brain is not fully matured until 21.

You just said it yourself. The brain isn't fully mature until 21, so that means kids aren't mature enough to always avoid sex and they're also not mature enough to raise a child.

[-Kwesnoth-]

I see your point Ixion. If the girl is not matured enough to not have sex, how then would she be mentally stable enough to cope with the mental, and physical trauma of child birth. As with most things, it starts at home I suppose. If a parent is either very open on sex, or very opinionated against it, any child will be curious through the amount of innuendo, and sexual references made in stuff that is rated as PG-13. 50 years ago, this was not the case as people were more in tuned with local events, family and so forth, while today a child can go online and see all kinds of stuff that is not age appropriate.

If this is the case, young minds should be taught abstinence in school instead of instructions for sex. At least through school and at home be informed more on the dangers of sex before a more mature age at which time a baby is something that the girl wants, and has the means to take care of.

[Ixion]

I see your point Ixion. If the girl is not matured enough to not have sex, how then would she be mentally stable enough to cope with the mental, and physical trauma of child birth. As with most things, it starts at home I suppose. If a parent is either very open on sex, or very opinionated against it, any child will be curious through the amount of innuendo, and sexual references made in stuff that is rated as PG-13. 50 years ago, this was not the case as people were more in tuned with local events, family and so forth, while today a child can go online and see all kinds of stuff that is not age appropriate.

If this is the case, young minds should be taught abstinence in school instead of instructions for sex. At least through school and at home be informed more on the dangers of sex before a more mature age at which time a baby is something that the girl wants, and has the means to take care of.

I remember my 7th grade health teacher (an old lady) would hand out condoms to us. It seems, around here at least, people have the view that kids are going to have sex, so let's at least try and make sure it's safe sex. Is that how it is where you live, or is it more about abstinence?

[-Kwesnoth-]

I remember my 7th grade health teacher (an old lady) would hand out condoms to us. It seems, around here at least, people have the view that kids are going to have sex, so let's at least try and make sure it's safe sex. Is that how it is where you live, or is it more about abstinence?

That sounds to be the worst school teacher in the history of the world. That is pretty much encouraging sex before the age of 18. If I had received something like that during school, that teacher would have been out of a job within the week. Its just asking for problems, if a kid is in 7th grade, the chances of them making a mistake, or not using the condom is very high.

I was home-schooled, but during the time I did attend school, it wasn't much brought up. My mother used to say how they would teach abstinence during school, encouraging no sex until marriage. And most I know from her generation did just that.

[DeviousOne]

I was 13 my dads "talk" was really simple....He gave me condoms and goes if ur going to do anything put this on if u need more just ask me don't worry about telling your mom...lol

It work parents play a huge role in what decisions their kids make when it comes to sex

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