What company has the MOST momentum heading into the next generation?

[RaY_210]

I think Nintendo for the simple fact that they are not only launching at least a year earlier, but, (and this second statement is based on rumors, so it may or may not apply) the general feeling is that Sony and MS' consoles are going to try to take a big leap in terms of tech from the PS3/360. So this is probably going to keep the Wii U cheaper than their consoles.

[imINxile]

I think Nintendo for the simple fact that they are not only launching at least a year earlier, but, (and this second statement is based on rumors, so it may or may not apply) the general feeling is that Sony and MS' consoles are going to try to take a big leap in terms of tech from the PS3/360. So this is probably going to keep the Wii U cheaper than their consoles.

Yeah I feel ya..price will definately be a factor this time around. I just don't see the U having record numbers. But what the hell do I know lol. Launching early(or on your own time frame) has proven effective. I really don't have any interest in Nintendo's next entry..will be interesting regardless.

[Pez_555]

irrelevant question. you just need to look at the end of last gen to where we are now to see that this is basically a flip of a coin.

the company with the most money to spend will be the most successful, and that lies with MS. Unless there is a massive shift of sales between MS and Sony in the US next gen then things will pretty much remain as they are right now. Sony will (hopefully) learn from their mistakes, but MS has the edge in terms of money to spend and better integration of products within the household.

The ball is in Microsoft's court at the moment considering the position they were in at the end of last gen.

[TDbank24]

bias has bugger all to do with it.

look where Sony were with PS2 and where they are now with PS3. going from 1st to 3rd in a generation is not a sign of momentum and that is what the question was.

So you're just predicting that Sony will have the same road next generation with the PS4 just because they're in 3rd place now with the PS3 then?

The question is who has the most momentum going into next generation not who is leading this current generation. The only answer is Sony in my humble opinion. They've been delivering the games for the past few years now. Microsoft is focusing on the casuals with Kinect and Nintendo is in their own world. Who knows what they'll do. Either way it won't matter to Sony or Microsoft.

I guess if you're looking forward to Kinect games and more Halo, Gears, Fable, and Forza then you could get away with voting for Microsoft here. I'm not saying they won't have plenty of new IPs or do better than Sony. I'm saying right now momentum is with Sony and i think you'd have to be biased to claim otherwise.

[radgamer420]

Sony clearly has the momentum advantage. Microsoft currently has like zero momentum right now. Hard to gain momentum when you have none.

lol Switch those two company names around and then your post will actually reflect reality.

[radgamer420]

Game wise? Sony PS4 looks promising if we go by their performance now, which is a reason to look for Sony's console, mine you MS can turn it around but currently, not so much But anything goes Sent via Codec @ Rad Well thats a stupid way to look at it, like you said Sony had the momentum, but Nintendo came out on top and 360 did way better then the Xbox, so why would you buy either of those when they did terrible last gen but base next gen on this gen, don't make sense Unless ya bias, seriously like I said in the other thread, nothing to lol at unless ya saving us doing it Nintendo has currently nothing to offer and MS don't show promise, but like I said that can change Sony do show promise, but yet again That too is up in the air but game wise, the reason we buy a console for, Sony has momentum

Not stupid at all. More like reality unlike your way of thinking. What good has Sony's exclusives done them this gen? Not much. Sony is a shadow of its former self. PS2 success came mostly from 3rd party IPs that MS now also have like GTA not their first party. And you calling me biased just because I disagree with you is a clear case of the pot calling the kettle black. Youre the last one in the world to be calling anybody else biased. lol

[Sub-stance1]

Sony clearly has the momentum advantage. Microsoft currently has like zero momentum right now. Hard to gain momentum when you have none.

How so? I don't get how they can clearly have momentum. When you look at all three, sony is the only one that is still posting losses. They are ending the gen with some great IPs but so is MS. The op was about heading into next gen and I really can't see how they have an advantage. MS clearly has the advantage from a business standpoint. They are the ones who gained market share this generation. Sony seems to be at a disadvantage and somehow they will try to eat at that US market share that was stolen by xbox.

Originally Posted by TGO
Game wise? Sony PS4 looks promising if we go by their performance now, which is a reason to look for Sony's console, mine you MS can turn it around but currently, not so much But anything goes Sent via Codec @ Rad Well thats a stupid way to look at it, like you said Sony had the momentum, but Nintendo came out on top and 360 did way better then the Xbox, so why would you buy either of those when they did terrible last gen but base next gen on this gen, don't make sense Unless ya bias, seriously like I said in the other thread, nothing to lol at unless ya saving us doing it Nintendo has currently nothing to offer and MS don't show promise, but like I said that can change Sony do show promise, but yet again That too is up in the air but game wise, the reason we buy a console for, Sony has momentum

Sorry, but it makes no sense at all for you to say that MS shows no promise when we all know that right now they are sony's biggest competitor. How can they not show promise when they have clearly made a big statement this gen by taking market share away from the console leader of last gen and still maintain a slight sales lead? How can sony continue to post losses, and stand a chance of launching after the next gen xbox, have better momentum than MS. A couple of new IPs won't automatically put them in a better position.

[imINxile]

So you're just predicting that Sony will have the same road next generation with the PS4 just because they're in 3rd place now with the PS3 then?

The question is who has the most momentum going into next generation not who is leading this current generation. The only answer is Sony in my humble opinion. They've been delivering the games for the past few years now. Microsoft is focusing on the casuals with Kinect and Nintendo is in their own world. Who knows what they'll do. Either way it won't matter to Sony or Microsoft.

I guess if you're looking forward to Kinect games and more Halo, Gears, Fable, and Forza then you could get away with voting for Microsoft here. I'm not saying they won't have plenty of new IPs or do better than Sony. I'm saying right now momentum is with Sony and i think you'd have to be biased to claim otherwise.

I hear ya my man..if only game offerings held the weight they used to. Sony has saturated my appetite for games for years. But there are more factors deciding these companies fate. Advertising, timing, casual(use that term loosely), and brand loyayty play an important role. Believe me..I want Sony to destroy(closet fanboy but don't spread this lol). Technology is a fickle bitch..can't wait to see.

[Blacksite]

I didn't realize it was a crime to go with Sony.

[imINxile]

I didn't realize it was a crime to go with Sony.

Hands where I can see them lol!

[radgamer420]

So you're just predicting that Sony will have the same road next generation with the PS4 just because they're in 3rd place now with the PS3 then? The question is who has the most momentum going into next generation not who is leading this current generation. The only answer is Sony in my humble opinion. They've been delivering the games for the past few years now. Microsoft is focusing on the casuals with Kinect and Nintendo is in their own world. Who knows what they'll do. Either way it won't matter to Sony or Microsoft. I guess if you're looking forward to Kinect games and more Halo, Gears, Fable, and Forza then you could get away with voting for Microsoft here. I'm not saying they won't have plenty of new IPs or do better than Sony. I'm saying right now momentum is with Sony and i think you'd have to be biased to claim otherwise.

lol Look at Sony's xmas lineup with LBP Kart Racing (mario kart clone) and PS All Stars (SSB clone) compared to MS xmas lineup with Halo 4 and Forza Horizon and it becomes painfully obvious that Sony is the one chasing the casuals this holiday not MS. MS has taken massive marketshare and mindshare from Sony and has sent them to the back of the bus. Not to mention Sony's massive losses and having to close down studios. After seeing all that and still saying that Sony has the better momentum is just denying reality. As for whose exclusives are better well thats completely subjective which is why list wars are so pointless.

[Blacksite]

Hands where I can see them lol!

Lol. Well, it wasn't directed at you. I just find it a bit hilarious to see the same people defending Microsoft and vice versa. I know who posts in what sections and that often reflects the bias in these posts.

[radgamer420]

I didn't realize it was a crime to go with Sony.

Its not. But it seems like it is a crime to go with MS since its the Sony fans who are getting upset and quoting people who dont agree with them and calling them biased because they didnt vote Sony. lol

[Sub-stance1]

I didn't realize it was a crime to go with Sony.

It's not a crime. Its just sounds kind of disingenuous when you say that one has no momentum. it makes it sound like the past few years that MS hasn't really accomplished anything. Besides, the thread asks who has the most momentum.

Lol. Well, it wasn't directed at you. I just find it a bit hilarious to see the same people defending Microsoft and vice versa. I know who posts in what sections and that often reflects the bias in these posts.

For me it's not about defending anyone. I just don't see how sony has the most momentum heading into next gen. IMO from a business point of view, they have the least.

[radgamer420]

It's not a crime. Its just sounds kind of disingenuous when you say that one has no momentum. it makes it sound like the past few years that MS hasn't really accomplished anything. Besides, the thread asks who has the most momentum.

Yep exactly. I enjoy both consoles and I'm not out to stick up for either but to say MS has no momentum and Sony has all the momentum is just ridiculous.

[mynd]

Definitely Sony, they are going to hit next gen like a speeding bullet..Nintendo seemed to have stopped Wii games and MS are definitely slowing down.

Whereas Sony are continuing to announce new IPs and games.

Eh?
If your going on sales alone, Sony has stalled for the past 2 years, planned sales growth never happened, they missed every sales target they put out.

MS are little more circumspect, the've seen huge growth since Kinect come out, followed by a steady if not stellar sales since.

Nintendo..well ...we just have to wait and see if the core go back to them...they arent going to capitilse on the Wii crowd, they have moved on to Kinect.

Continuing to announce new IP for this generation means really one thing..they aint reayd for the next generation yet.


But really it doesnt matter who has the momenteum, it's like trying to figure out who's going to win the next heat based on the previous heats results
Its not even the same runner..

[Sub-stance1]

Eh?
If your going on sales alone, Sony has stalled for the past 2 years, planned sales growth never happened, they missed every sales target they put out.

MS are little more circumspect, the've seen huge growth since Kinect come out, followed by a steady if not stellar sales since.

Nintendo..well ...we just have to wait and see if the core go back to them...they arent going to capitilse on the Wii crowd, they have moved on to Kinect.

Continuing to announce new IP for this generation means really one thing..they aint reayd for the next generation yet.


But really it doesnt matter who has the momenteum, it's like trying to figure out who's going to win the next heat based on the previous heats results
Its not even the same runner..

Exactly. Its not like people are saying that MS is going to rule the next generation. Its just taking where they both are right now and building off of it.

[radgamer420]

Exactly. Its not like people are saying that MS is going to rule the next generation. Its just taking where they both are right now and building off of it.

Agreed. Who knows whats going to happen next gen? We sure had some unexpected surprises this gen.

[TGO]

I ain't gonna quote cuz ya know who I'm replying to, but seriously guys are you that blind to what I'm saying and what you are saying?
You are basing things YET again on sales, but if you did it by that logic why did you buy a 360, because Xbox sold like crap last gen
You laughing and saying yeah buy 360 sold bla'bla'bla is like PS2 fans saying it, except for they wouldn't sound stupid because the PS2 diminished the Xbox is sales, the 360 is just keeping PS3 at bay
And you throw that I'm bias at me for saying game wise I think Sony because MS aren't exactly throwing a lot out these days but that may change?
Yeah sure...hello kettle meet mr pot

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[DeviousOne]

http://www.psu.com/forums/showthread...71#post5903071

This is the best way to "gauge" Any momentum....Interesting Numbers

[admartian]

I think Sony and MS have more or less the same momentum - depending on what you're looking for.

Really, the difference will be in how much the gap in RRP is for both next-gen consoles.

[TrUe GaMeR]

And you throw that I'm bias at me for saying game wise I think Sony because MS aren't exactly throwing a lot out these days but that may change?
Yeah sure...hello kettle meet mr pot

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Why are you even mentioning "game wise" anyway? OP didn't ask his question on the basis of specifics like games. He was talking overall.

But you are just like the company you root so hard for; you and Sony have tunnel vision. You are one in the same in how you focus on games to much. That's not going to get them anything. All their IP is proof of that.

The future is in ecosystems. Apple knows this, MS knows this, Google knows this, and Amazon knows this. How come Sony is not in the list of know? They have the means, they have the services, and they have the content to build their own ecosystem. Tie everything together. I see small attempts from them to do this with their 'Sony One' but they're all half assed attempts in my eyes. They need to do an Amazon and take android and fork Google away and build from there. I could go a lot deeper in this but..... whatever.

MS simply has the momentum because they are building and building on top of everything with the experience getting smoother, the services expanding, and the ecosystem coming intact.

What I think anyways...

[DeviousOne]

MS has been the most consistent thru this generation...

Nintendo SPRINTED out of the gates outsold everyone however the Wii has lost alot of steam after year 4

PS3 was slow out of the gate and NOW is finally making ground to close the gap with Microsoft i expect them to pass them eventually.

Right Now Nintendo is OWNING the portable handheld market (as usual) and Microsoft has established a foothold here in America however they have NO presence in Japan while Sony does but Nintendo has the Japanese market.

Sony and Nintendo have a Larger global share than Microsoft. If you look at it on a global scale I have to retract my previous statement about Microsoft and change it to nintendo. If the Wii U is a success then its going to be a fight to the death between Microsoft and Sony going towards the core gamer market. the next 2 years in the industry are going to be extremely interesting and important...Im looking forward to it

[Ghost-Rhayne]

bias has bugger all to do with it.

look where Sony were with PS2 and where they are now with PS3. going from 1st to 3rd in a generation is not a sign of momentum and that is what the question was.

I think being ca. 2 million consoles behind the 360 despite a year long launch delay and higher price tag doesn't constitute a lack of momentum.

I guess it depends on what you define as momentum though doesn't it, sales or output.

Eh?
Continuing to announce new IP for this generation means really one thing..they aint reayd for the next generation yet.

LOL That's a beautiful way to spin lack of new IP. So MS must be SUPER ready!

[Sub-stance1]

I think being ca. 2 million consoles behind the 360 despite a year long launch delay and higher price tag doesn't constitute a lack of momentum.

I guess it depends on what you define as momentum though doesn't it, sales or output.



LOL That's a beautiful way to spin lack of new IP.

I don't think it matters much at all. People forget that Microsoft is mainly a software technology company and entered a industry dominated by Sony and Nintendo. It was a huge risk for them entering this sort of market. As a matter of fact, I remember many critics saying that the xbox brand would never be where they are today. It really doesn't matter if they are 2 million ahead or just 2 ahead. Just to be compared to a gaming giant like sony is enough momentum to build upon.