What has happened to Education in the U.S.?

[The Black Wolf]

What has happened to it? I mean, the high school drop out rate is high not only in minorities, but even in majorities. You got kids cheating on tests and teachers being unethical by filling in the right correct answers on students' state exams.

Things like bullying and teenage pregnancy just make it worse.

Even college is effected. People aren't even learning in college. They do enough to pass a test, but then when they become a doctor, lawyer, social worker they don't have a clue what they're doing.

I was talking to someone who has been overseas and seen the world and he says smart high schoolers in Italy make even college students in the states look dumb. He said that other countries teach their kids many different languages and cultures and, like Japan, go 6 days a week. He said that the U.S. struggles to even get kids here to learn Spanish and he's right. I guarantee most of the classmates who were in my Spanish class can't even say Good Morning and Good Night in Spanish.

It's no wonder the U.S. isn't what it used to be when it comes to Education.

A tip from experience,

If you have financial aid or the means to go to a good high school or college, GO there! If you're in high school and you can transfer to a better high school, GO there! If you get an offer to Florida State, Duke, and any Ivy league schools, screw distance, do whatever it takes to get there. You'll be eye deep in loans, but it'll be worth it.

[DreDayDetox]

Most of the time, people who drop out of high school or still work a shitty job after college are sore losers who were too lazy to give a shit about their future. That "this class is bullshit" attitude is what got them there. I've seen many drop out of the program I was in because of that attitude, and now some have to re-take failed courses and pay the full tuition fee of the program, for only 3 classes!

[DeviousOne]

What has happened to it? I mean, the high school drop out rate is high not only in minorities, but even in majorities. You got kids cheating on tests and teachers being unethical by filling in the right correct answers on students' state exams.

Things like bullying and teenage pregnancy just make it worse.

Even college is effected. People aren't even learning in college. They do enough to pass a test, but then when they become a doctor, lawyer, social worker they don't have a clue what they're doing.

I was talking to someone who has been overseas and seen the world and he says smart high schoolers in Italy make even college students in the states look dumb. He said that other countries teach their kids many different languages and cultures and, like Japan, go 6 days a week. He said that the U.S. struggles to even get kids here to learn Spanish and he's right. I guarantee most of the classmates who were in my Spanish class can't even say Good Morning and Good Night in Spanish.

It's no wonder the U.S. isn't what it used to be when it comes to Education.

A tip from experience,

If you have financial aid or the means to go to a good high school or college, GO there! If you're in high school and you can transfer to a better high school, GO there! If you get an offer to Florida State, Duke, and any Ivy league schools, screw distance, do whatever it takes to get there. You'll be eye deep in loans, but it'll be worth it.

Let me get this right your basing this on some just telling you these facts? Last time I check america was one of the super nations in this world and that doesn't happen with a shitty education system. The system isn't the problem. Typically HS your stuck into going to the hs in ur location.

I've been to Italy and didn't get the sense that they were had better education than me I graduated from UCF and did my 2 years of law at UF I'm not ivy league but anyone can do what I did a lot won't for different reasons what I would suggest from experience is don't worry about anyone but yourself and get your education.

[Lethal_NFS]

I am actually quite pissed off at my kids school system right now. The way they are doing math is so damn pitiful. I agree, our schools are getting worse.

[Sir_Scud]

Won't necessarily disagree about high school and below, but there are a lot of colleges in the U.S., and there is a reason why people come from different countries to the United States for post-secondary education and beyond.

The biggest problem with foreign language is two things. One, at least where I live we teach kids roughly at 8th grade foreign language of their choosing. If you want someone to learn a language you do it when they are young as in 4-5 since their brains are like sponges. The elementary school I went to we learned like numbers and the alphabet in Spanish. Nothing more. Another problem is the United States has no official language. Yes English is dominant, but in a country like France, they learned French (duh) and English since it's so prevalent in the world. Since the U.S. has no official language and the dominant language being English, it is harder to have a second language to be taught.

Just some thoughts on it.

[Blacksite]

I'm not against the idea of going to college since I attend one myself. But from my experience, people don't always go for the right reasons. I've had classes where the amount of students attending actually decreased since all they cared about was receiving their financial aid.

[adamdolge]

It's unfair to compare the American education system to much of the European and Asian countries. There are a ton of reasons why, but a big one is how the US treats educating its children. First of all, it has to do with what a country can focus on and where resources are allocated. But it's not just that. For example, in the US if you are not really well-prepared for a "white collar" job, you are given the opportunity to go through school as if you were. This is a gross simplification, but in essence, other countries put their children through tracks. If you don't do well on tests and are better suited for a trade, you'll take trade classes. This boosts NAEP scores for other countries while in the US (and other countries, mind you), every student is essentially counted the same.

In the US, ESEA (the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965--which was reauthorized as No Child Left Behind under GW) essentially serves as a civil rights protection to ensure poor, minority, and immigrant children have the same opportunity as rich white suburban kids. This law has its benefits in that every kid is assured a public education; however, there is still gross funding issues in our poor schools and for English-language learners. There are, of course, issues with some unions, but the greater issues is that Americans have, over the past several years, created a culture where education is for "elites" and only the "arrogant." That is changing, IMO.

Your other concerns about cheating are related to the above. As for bullying, I believe kids have always been bullied but the internet has created more opportunities to terrorize kids. For us adults, we can handle it, even if it's super dumb. For kids, they are mostly still developing and don't deserve it.

Note: I'm an education journalist and write about failing schools for a living. I'd be happy to talk about more hard facts, but these are the generals, or at least my take.

[Sir_Scud]

I'm not against the idea of going to college since I attend one myself. But from my experience, people don't always go for the right reasons. I've had classes where the amount of students attending actually decreased since all they cared about was receiving their financial aid.

I recently got my degree. I went to a big school and yes, I saw this everywhere. Not necessarily for the aid (because parents might have paid all of it), but people going to college not for the education but for the party lifestyle. In my opinion, college is what you make of it. Those who gave zero fucks generally get hit hard by reality later down the road. At least in my experience.

[Shibby]

Yeah I can't agree with this. The problem is more with shitty kids that feel entitled to everything. However they can't be disciplined because then their shitty parents come in and blame the teacher for everything when it's their shitty kids' fault.

The thing about Doctors and Lawyers coming out of school clueless is complete Grade-A bullshit. Those are some of the most difficult schooling programs (Nursing too actually), and they do a good job of filtering out the careless ones that just get by. However for the less prevalent, more vague majors that may be the case. I have friends who graduated with majors in business and say they haven't learned shit.

I am actually quite pissed off at my kids school system right now. The way they are doing math is so damn pitiful. I agree, our schools are getting worse.

This i agree with. I mean, I don't have kids, but I have a nephew in school, and I've seen the way they teach math nowadays and it's a fucking joke. They overcomplicate the crap out of it.

I have a friend who graduated with an elementary education degree. When he was student teaching, and was helping some of the kids with the math, some of them were having so much trouble and he went around and tried explaining it to them the way we were taught in school (you know, the normal, not-retarded way) since it was gibberish to him the way they were doing it, and they were like "oh this is easy, why don't they teach it like this?"

[akhi216]

What has happened to it?

George Dumbya Bush and his "No Child Left Behind" act happened to it.

[weskurtz81]

George Dumbya Bush and his "No Child Left Behind" act happened to it.

LOL... yeah it all fell apart in the past 8 years!!! Man, it's so simple!

[Yuuichi]

LOL... yeah it all fell apart in the past 8 years!!! Man, it's so simple!

It certainly didn't help the situation, but is certainly not the only factor.

I can only speak for FL schools. They have kids study to pass the FCAT. That's it. Nothing else matters but that one test score. Other countries are way stricter. Most of other countries "high schools" are considered Colleges here. Yes the US education have def fallen behind. I know my College is strict tho. Far as bullying, it will always be around, just now instead of students doing nothing they whip out a phone and record it. Teen pregnancy is just lack of parents at home and kids making a stupid choice. Not saying all pregnancies because yes it could def have been a mistake, I am talking more of the ones who do it on purpose, or even make pregnancy packs. That is something where the root problem will be with the parents.

[The Black Wolf]

It's unfair to compare the American education system to much of the European and Asian countries. There are a ton of reasons why, but a big one is how the US treats educating its children. First of all, it has to do with what a country can focus on and where resources are allocated. But it's not just that. For example, in the US if you are not really well-prepared for a "white collar" job, you are given the opportunity to go through school as if you were. This is a gross simplification, but in essence, other countries put their children through tracks. If you don't do well on tests and are better suited for a trade, you'll take trade classes. This boosts NAEP scores for other countries while in the US (and other countries, mind you), every student is essentially counted the same.

Okay, can you explain why education in Japan is more competitive? Here in the U.S., we have high quality colleges. In Japan, they have high quality High Schools and colleges.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Japan isn't like China, where if you have the brains for being a doctor, you HAVE to be a doctor.

Japan constantly pushes their kids to do well. They go to school 6 days a week, they even have academic activities AFTER school. Is Japan being more competitive a result of them placing a higher value on education or is it they educate kids differently than the U.S.?

[squirrelbo1]

I recently got my degree. I went to a big school and yes, I saw this everywhere. Not necessarily for the aid (because parents might have paid all of it), but people going to college not for the education but for the party lifestyle. In my opinion, college is what you make of it. Those who gave zero fucks generally get hit hard by reality later down the road. At least in my experience.

I'm at university for the lifestyle as much as anything. It's a massive life skill and learning curve. It's about developing skills as an adult, from managing your time, to working part time, to understanding rental contracts on properties and having an understanding of what stuff really costs.

Okay, can you explain why education in Japan is more competitive? Here in the U.S., we have high quality colleges. In Japan, they have high quality High Schools and colleges.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Japan isn't like China, where if you have the brains for being a doctor, you HAVE to be a doctor.

Japan constantly pushes their kids to do well. They go to school 6 days a week, they even have academic activities AFTER school. Is Japan being more competitive a result of them placing a higher value on education or is it they educate kids differently than the U.S.?

There are very few places that force you to do anything. Only pushy parents.

Japan is so comepetive because if you left school without a university education your pretty much screwed in terms of jobs. Plus Japanese culture is pretty intense. They have school on Saturday but this isn't uncommon in places in Europe and also private boarding schools often have Saturday lessons.


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[weskurtz81]

It certainly didn't help the situation, but is certainly not the only factor.

I can only speak for FL schools. They have kids study to pass the FCAT. That's it. Nothing else matters but that one test score. Other countries are way stricter. Most of other countries "high schools" are considered Colleges here. Yes the US education have def fallen behind. I know my College is strict tho. Far as bullying, it will always be around, just now instead of students doing nothing they whip out a phone and record it. Teen pregnancy is just lack of parents at home and kids making a stupid choice. Not saying all pregnancies because yes it could def have been a mistake, I am talking more of the ones who do it on purpose, or even make pregnancy packs. That is something where the root problem will be with the parents.

Whether or not it helped the situation was not my point, but anyone that thinks the education system was great 10 years ago and was destroyed SOLELY by NCLB is clearly a shining example of how POOR our education system really is.

[DayWalker]

parents got lazy.
for many- teachers are just babysitters so that parents can get away with actually raising their children.

they put the educational of their child entirely on the teacher, they didn't promote learning after school

[Sir_Scud]

I'm at university for the lifestyle as much as anything. It's a massive life skill and learning curve. It's about developing skills as an adult, from managing your time, to working part time, to understanding rental contracts on properties and having an understanding of what stuff really costs.

Oh for sure. There's a lot to it. Having fun is part of the experience. I can definitely say I learned a lot when it came to rental contracts in my years going to college. Also learned what it felt like to be fucked over by them . But yeah, there's a lot to learn in those years in terms of responsibility . It's just a shame how I've seen some of my friends not care, drop out, and now I don't hear anything from them. Definitely needed some balance.

[RaY_210]

It's because they got rid of whoopings at schools

[DreDayDetox]

Oh for sure. There's a lot to it. Having fun is part of the experience. I can definitely say I learned a lot when it came to rental contracts in my years going to college. Also learned what it felt like to be fucked over by them . But yeah, there's a lot to learn in those years in terms of responsibility . It's just a shame how I've seen some of my friends not care, drop out, and now I don't hear anything from them. Definitely needed some balance.

I already have first hand experience with what I think will be two people who will drop out soon. These two idiots behind my desk constantly blabbing on and on while the prof was teaching us lighting and light types. I hope they fail and quit. I don't need fucking clowns working in my group.

[UberZman]

What has happened to it? I mean, the high school drop out rate is high not only in minorities, but even in majorities. You got kids cheating on tests and teachers being unethical by filling in the right correct answers on students' state exams.

Things like bullying and teenage pregnancy just make it worse.

Even college is effected. People aren't even learning in college. They do enough to pass a test, but then when they become a doctor, lawyer, social worker they don't have a clue what they're doing.

I was talking to someone who has been overseas and seen the world and he says smart high schoolers in Italy make even college students in the states look dumb. He said that other countries teach their kids many different languages and cultures and, like Japan, go 6 days a week. He said that the U.S. struggles to even get kids here to learn Spanish and he's right. I guarantee most of the classmates who were in my Spanish class can't even say Good Morning and Good Night in Spanish.

It's no wonder the U.S. isn't what it used to be when it comes to Education.

A tip from experience,

If you have financial aid or the means to go to a good high school or college, GO there! If you're in high school and you can transfer to a better high school, GO there! If you get an offer to Florida State, Duke, and any Ivy league schools, screw distance, do whatever it takes to get there. You'll be eye deep in loans, but it'll be worth it.

This is the reason that I was home schooled. Better education.

[Sir_Scud]

I already have first hand experience with what I think will be two people who will drop out soon. These two idiots behind my desk constantly blabbing on and on while the prof was teaching us lighting and light types. I hope they fail and quit. I don't need fucking clowns working in my group.

You have to do group work with them? If so, I really feel for you. That stuff is really rough when you're in lecture and people near you go on and on about random shit while trying to focus. It's unfortunate some people can't just focus for the length of a class or at least surf facebook in silence to not distract others.

[keefy]

I already have first hand experience with what I think will be two people who will drop out soon. These two idiots behind my desk constantly blabbing on and on while the prof was teaching us lighting and light types. I hope they fail and quit. I don't need fucking clowns working in my group.

You doing electrical engineering? I learned about lights and lighting in my courses at college, the different types, colours and their efficiencies.

[NARCsnake]

its or DAM PRESIDENT the working ppl can pay BS taxs so all u lazy pieces of shit can sit on welfare and health care food stamps and so on the only ppl that deserve that stuff is the Soldiers thats y ppl like O bomb us will get in again is bc he supports the lazy which in turn will vote for him.

[The Black Wolf]

its or DAM PRESIDENT the working ppl can pay BS taxs so all u lazy pieces of shit can sit on welfare and health care food stamps and so on the only ppl that deserve that stuff is the Soldiers thats y ppl like O bomb us will get in again is bc he supports the lazy which in turn will vote for him.

What about the people who work, but are still poor? What about single moms who work and go to college, they don't deserve food stamps?

Obama is actually making it easier to get a higher education, he and his wife are.

[NARCsnake]

What about the people who work, but are still poor? What about single moms who work and go to college, they don't deserve food stamps?

the money is there but u have to work for it im all n for helping but if u hav nothing and keep popn out kids for more benefits then no and college idk bout that bc im making 2x more at ford out of high school then my buddy with 4 years of collage

also GET the fukn immigrants the hell out of here and shut the border down we cant fix others b4 fixing our selfs