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    Can we find a way to not perma-ban members?

    I feel it's counter-productive to permanently ban members that have been here for years.

    I believe after a certain point in a member's time on here, they should be immune to a permanent ban. I also disagree with bans that go over a month. If a member has reached a certain point where they need more time off, it should still not go over a month.

    Maybe the mods/admins can go by their forum level, irrelevant but just a suggestion.

    We need to understand that people can change over the course of time. It just seems too harsh to permanently ban members over...anything.

    I think it's important to retain people. It's bad enough that a good number of people just drift away. Every time someone gets banned, it feels the equivalence of brain-drain.
    Last edited by Sufi; 10-12-2012 at 01:18. Reason: Meant it for all members.

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    So mods and admins should be biased based on a members time here? If a 4 year vet decides to post up shit/porn/spam, or harass other members even when told to stop, why should that person be allowed to get off without punishment? Because they found the site a few years earlier?

    I have a feeling that its not gonna happen. You say that people change over time, and this works in the negative aspect as well, good members can grow bored, and start breaking rules just because.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    I feel it's counter-productive to permanently ban members that have been here for years.

    I believe after a certain point in a member's time on here, they should be immune to a permanent ban. I also disagree with bans that go over a month. If a member has reached a certain point where they need more time off, it should still not go over a month.

    Maybe the mods/admins can go by their forum level, irrelevant but just a suggestion.

    We need to understand that people can change over the course of time. It just seems too harsh to permanently ban members over...anything.

    I think it's important to retain people. It's bad enough that a good number of people just drift away. Every time someone gets banned, it feels the equivalence of brain-drain.
    Personally, I don't feel like anyone should be above the rules.

    Time on site should not allow someone to get into that much trouble without consequence.

    About two to three months ago I removed the auto-ban feature that automatically banned someone if they hit certain point totals on infractions. I also made the points expire after 6 months.

    If someone who gets in a lot of trouble is going to turn over a new leaf so to speak, then they only have to make it 6 months with no further infraction points.

    Perma bans are not auto bans any longer. It comes down to staff decisions on when a person gets perma banned. Apart from bots, it has been a long time since a member has been perma'd, even longer since an experienced member has been to my knowledge. SO I guess I don't see where this argument is coming from?

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    But perma ban is a last resort. Members are given warnings and small bans before. If a person gets perma banned they did it to themselves by not changing thier attitude after warning, temp bans, and I am sure convo done through pm with mods. I dont see it as brain drain but removing cancer before it spreads. Ie someone sees a person is geting away with it so they do it themselves.
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    Isn't this being brought up because Dave was perma banned for constantly insulting other members against warnings to knock it off?
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Kwesnoth- View Post
    Isn't this being brought up because Dave was perma banned for constantly insulting other members against warnings to knock it off?
    If it was because of that, let me shed a little light.

    Dave had been perma banned three years ago by the site owner.

    I removed his ban a few weeks ago with his agreement that if he went back to his old ways of posting, then the ban would be put back in place instantly. No free pass, no considerations, etc.

    I will make this as clear as possible. Time on site, number of posts, all of that... none of it matters if you decide to step outside of forum regs and policies. That is playing favorites, and is unfair to new and recently joined members.

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    I havent seen uber madness posting, he can probably just surf in the forum as a guest without a proxy.

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    I should also mention that I TOO deserved to be permabanned when I was. 2 years later, I elected to grow up. Luckily Doug and Rob have given me a second chance. I was intentionally trolling, and it was stupid.

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    Here we go. People change over time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier 95B View Post
    I should also mention that I TOO deserved to be permabanned when I was. 2 years later, I elected to grow up. Luckily Doug and Rob have given me a second chance. I was intentionally trolling, and it was stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    Here we go. People change over time.
    yes they do.. .and Dave had his shot just like others.

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    I figured it was something like that with Dave's sudden reappearance.

    But I totally agree, just because a person has been a member for a long time, doesn't mean he should get a free pass.
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    I think it sucks that Dave got perma ban however I do have faith that the mods and staff made the decision that was right for the situation. If it was me and I was warned multiple times by the mods then if I get perma banned then I had it coming.

    I'll agree he would insult members in the NFL thread but we're talking football and football fans are passionate about there teams I never reported cause I have thick skin and everyone for the most part just gets it.

    Bottom line mods and staff gave him a chance he received warnings and continued to go against the mods like he was above them so he got perma banned. Case closed and lesson learned by all of us here on the forums.

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    the infractions points expiration system is a failure cause it doesnt expire the old earned infraction points. If i will get another warning with points i will get perma banned because the very old infractions didnt expire. Its stupid if i get banned only because of my previous warnings which are very old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybertox View Post
    the infractions points expiration system is a failure cause it doesnt expire the old earned infraction points. If i will get another warning with points i will get perma banned because the very old infractions didnt expire. Its stupid if i get banned only because of my previous warnings which are very old.

    No you won't...

    we don't have a way to "expire" all previously earned points. Since a perma ban is only done after all of us talk about it, we will see your points were earned prior to all of the rule amendments.

    Since there is no auto-ban, you won't just "be banned".

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    Same as me,Cyber. I'm sitting on 5 points for getting an infraction almost a year ago that I still think was the most ridiculous reason for a ban. Mods are always right though I guess…


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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBettaKnow View Post
    Same as me,Cyber. I'm sitting on 5 points for getting an infraction almost a year ago that I still think was the most ridiculous reason for a ban. Mods are always right though I guess…


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    Thats exactly what i mean as well. Got an infraction for a very stupid reason which i think mustnt even give an infraction at all. Now if i get another one i might get banned, and saying that somebody will consider if ban me or not doesnt fix the whole situation cause if someone sees my infraction and warnings history will probably ban me. And keeping those old infractions only because mods dont know how to delete them is just stupid.

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    When I said they should have a certain amount of time, I didn't mean to discriminate (well I did but not for the wrong reasons, it was because of the spam bots).

    I'm arguing that no one should be banned. Bans that are 6 months long don't make sense either.

    What % of people come back after a 6 month ban?

    As for the notion that if we don't perma-ban them, others will think they can get away with it. Well, if they do something wrong, they will get a hefty ban, which will be a negative reinforcement.

    I guess we can still have perma-ban but we should avoid it. Sort of like the justice system we have in place. Even if you get a life-in-prison, you can be on parole if you show signs of improvement...sometimes even freed.

    I'm just saying that we should loosen it up a bit, to retain members.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBettaKnow View Post
    Same as me,Cyber. I'm sitting on 5 points for getting an infraction almost a year ago that I still think was the most ridiculous reason for a ban. Mods are always right though I guess…
    Quote Originally Posted by Cybertox View Post
    Thats exactly what i mean as well. Got an infraction for a very stupid reason which i think mustnt even give an infraction at all.
    You both were trolling. And at the time of those posts, we didn't give any warnings for trolling and went straight to a ban. That wouldn't happen now though, as we're back to giving warnings for trolling and not automatically banning based on points.

    So don't worry, if we ever considered perma-banning you two, we would look at your history and see exactly how bad each offense was. With the current approach, we'll probably only perma-ban members who we notice being a constant nuisance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeviousOne View Post
    I've been here 3 months and only seen one person being perma banned I don't think the "law" here is out to ban anyone?
    That's because we don't have enough members to ban anymore. This goes back to the time when we had a lot of bans.
    Quote Originally Posted by -Kwesnoth- View Post
    I came back from a perma ban that lasted over 6 months.
    That may be but I feel that generally people would just consider that a perma-ban either way. I don't see many people return.

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    I've been here 3 months and only seen one person being perma banned I don't think the "law" here is out to ban anyone?

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    I came back from a perma ban that lasted over 6 months.
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    Come, i give you a cookie. You are probably the only one who returned from a 6 months ban.

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    Whatever you say man. Whatever you say. Truth is people got away with a lot worse than what I ever said. All I did was make an observation and you banned me, worse still, my observation was correct.

    Either way - what's done is done.

    Edit: Being on topic. I don't think anyone should be exempt from a ban. If your beng a dick then you should get banned doesn't matter if if you've got 10 posts or 50000 posts. Rules are there for a reason


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    I got banned by saying that i was disappointed by the vita specs and that they werent really impressive. For that i got banned and i think that was just ridiculous.

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    I have a tendency to show up late to these parties.

    I have to agree with staff in that anyone who breaks the rules deserves to receive the same punishment for it. The rules here aren't particularly strict. Anyone can have an intelligent, interesting discussion with absolutely no staff intervention. It isn't until members start to get personal and silly that the staff does step in, and the infractions start getting handed out. There are a lot of members who used to frequent this site on a daily basis who are no longer here, and that sucks. A lot of them were pretty cool guys and contributed a hell of a lot to this place. But for whatever reason, they couldn't overcome their urges to break certain rules and therefore, like anyone else would, earned themselves a one way ticket off the forums.

    Getting perma-banned here really does require a good deal of effort .. If it were any other way, I'd probably agree with Sufi and the others because yeah, it's a blow to the community when we lose members who have been around for years. But under the current system, which relies much more on staff judgement than the previous system of auto-bans, consequences are dealt out fairly uniformly and fairly. No one should be above the rules.

    @DeviousOne -- I actually led such a "welcoming committee" about 3 years ago. It was fun while it lasted, which wasn't long at all. As a community we just need to become more and more friendly to newcomers. There are a lot of discussions where certain members are outright ignored. By including everyone who contributes in the discussion, members will feel a greater sense of belonging and will actually want to come back. It seems that sometimes, the community here gets too caught up in talking with their pals than with members trying to enjoy a discussion. Just something I've noticed.
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