Bad Port or Bad Hardware? (Update: Confirmed slow CPU)

[Beast of Bourbon]

Did you just say 47xx?

Yeah according to the die size...
The power consumption also indicates that it's running on a lower core clock then a 4770.

[Vulgotha]

Even so, that's head and shoulders above the Xenos GPU.

[mynd]

Even so, that's head and shoulders above the Xenos GPU.

Probably the slowest they could get.

Now am I really being sarcastic?

Lol.

[Lethal_NFS]

looks like the CPU is going to be Achilles heel for the Nintendo Wii U!!
That Gpu is fine for a console, yet it is really outdated and won't be good enough for 1080p 60FPS!!

All these assumptions....... The Wii U handles 1080p just fine. As I said before, AC3 outperforms the the PS3 version pretty noticeably. As it should seeing how it technically is the more powerful console. It also handles 3D pretty well.

[Vulgotha]

Probably the slowest they could get.

Now am I really being sarcastic?

Lol.

Well of course.


@ Lethal

I dunno if I'd call them assumptions man. The WiiU has serious bandwidth and CPU problems. The only thing we don't know are the specifics concerning the Edram- but strong rumor holds it pegged at 32MB (like the 360). If this is true, it's probably going to have less memory bandwidth than the 360 unit as a whole.

We know that the GPU is more advanced than xenos (and therefore the best out of the PS3\360), but its still a horrible part in the grand scheme of things.

We know it has 2GB of RAM, but half of that is reserved for OS\security (which is INSANE).

We know it's CPU is significantly slower than even the Xenon processor in the 360. That's very, very bad. We know this due to developer dialogue, because it's an IBM part (and there exists some documentation on it), and its die size. It's not too hard to figure out its limitations in a broad sense.

The WiiU is a piece of crap.

[Lethal_NFS]

The WiiU is a piece of crap.

Then I guess the PS3 and Xbox 360 are pieces of crap as well..

[Vulgotha]

The key difference is, the PS3 and 360 came out like 6 years ago.

Lol.

[Lethal_NFS]

The key difference is, the PS3 and 360 came out like 6 years ago.

Lol.

So then they are crap now by your standards. They would have to be if you think the Wii U is crap.

[F34R]

So then they are crap now by your standards. They would have to be if you think the Wii U is crap.

They had to tone it down for it to be able to perform on the same level as the 6/7 year old counterpart. That makes the Wii u crap if someone says the power of the other consoles are crap lol.

[Vulgotha]

So then they are crap now by your standards. They would have to be if you think the Wii U is crap.

I really don't know what you're getting at here. It's almost like you're attempting to make me "confess" that I think the PS3\360 are also 'crap'.

By today's standards of course they are. Then again, they're from 2006.

[Lethal_NFS]

I really don't know what you're getting at here. It's almost like you're attempting to make me "confess" that I think the PS3\360 are also 'crap'.

By today's standards of course they are. Then again, they're from 2006.

What I am doing is trying to understand why you can call the Wii U crap, and not come and call the PS3 or 360 crap. There is nothing crappy about the Wii U. It plays the newer games being released with all the latest graphics of the current generation. The Wii U has a pretty amazing gamepad as well. Not seeing where "crap" comes in to it.

Nintendo made it very clear that they are no longer competing with Sony and Microsoft. Wii owners complained about the graphics being so much behind the PS3 and 360. Nintendo releases a new Wii that can handle more than the current gen consoles, and it is crap?

[F34R]

What I am doing is trying to understand why you can call the Wii U crap, and not come and call the PS3 or 360 crap. There is nothing crappy about the Wii U. It plays the newer games being released with all the latest graphics of the current generation. The Wii U has a pretty amazing gamepad as well. Not seeing where "crap" comes in to it.

Nintendo made it very clear that they are no longer competing with Sony and Microsoft. Wii owners complained about the graphics being so much behind the PS3 and 360. Nintendo releases a new Wii that can handle more than the current gen consoles, and it is crap?

It might have some graphics that look the same, but the games are missing some features too. Don't boil it down to a single game. Crap comes from the big picture here. Don't try and say it can do what the current gen does lol.

[TGO]

Tbf there has been consoles that released a year or 2 later then a pre-released machine and has been more powerful and cheaper, in this situation we are looking at a machine that is released 6 years later and there is question as to if it is even on par
Vol is being verbally harsh, but I see his point

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[Lethal_NFS]

It might have some graphics that look the same, but the games are missing some features too. Don't boil it down to a single game. Crap comes from the big picture here. Don't try and say it can do what the current gen does lol.

Of course it can do what the current gen does....

[itachi73378]

Of course it can do what the current gen does....

6 years later than doesn't sound impressive, but rather quite sad

[F34R]

Of course it can do what the current gen does....

Tell that to EA then lol. How about the other devs that have shotty ports on such a brilliant and powerful hardware.

[mynd]

All these assumptions....... The Wii U handles 1080p just fine. As I said before, AC3 outperforms the the PS3 version pretty noticeably. As it should seeing how it technically is the more powerful console. It also handles 3D pretty well.

Sorry but the evidence isn't exactly mounting that this is the case. A slow cpu is going to affect certain aspects, but not others. Drawing on the Gpu side clearly isnt going to be one of them, so framerate shouldn't suffer unless it hits a bandwidth limitation, or the cpu is being taxed. So your not always going to see anythjng wrong.

[Lethal_NFS]

Tell that to EA then lol. How about the other devs that have shotty ports on such a brilliant and powerful hardware.

You of all people should know that ports do not determine anything. Blaming poor coding on the Wii U? We have seen how many games run and look like shit on the PS3 that were ported from the 360? Weak....

[F34R]

You of all people should know that ports do not determine anything. Blaming poor coding on the Wii U? We have seen how many games run and look like shit on the PS3 that were ported from the 360? Weak....

I agree with that, and that just goes on to it further... when the dev of the game says it's 99% the same, except missing aspects, then it doesn't promote the system being more powerful. Nor does it support that the game is better because of the more powerful hardware.

[mynd]

You of all people should know that ports do not determine anything. Blaming poor coding on the Wii U? We have seen how many games run and look like shit on the PS3 that were ported from the 360? Weak....

And its generally because they dont exploit the spu very well, and a slightly slower gpu. But the main thing is the weaker CPU performance without enrolling the help of the SPU's.

In terms of performance compared to thenother 2 consoles, the only way to really compare them, due to the age difference is this.

If the 360 and ps3 were release today, would they still have the same parts they got in 2005/6? Of course they wouldnt.

[brebaz]

All these assumptions....... The Wii U handles 1080p just fine. As I said before, AC3 outperforms the the PS3 version pretty noticeably. As it should seeing how it technically is the more powerful console. It also handles 3D pretty well.

I heard it was not true 1080p but only upscaled that is! And also the difference is not that noticeable at all and even if it was it would be for the PS3 from what i saw IMO.

Technically, it's more of the same of the a very old Tech from 6 years ago that isn't gonna last very long if it's going to compete against the Next Gen.

[R3D D3V!L]

Saying the Wii U can do 1080p like it's a big achievement isn't really saying much there are 1080p phones releasing next year. The simple fact is, the Wii U should be able to handle these games with zero issues. The ports should be better than the PS3/360 versions. That's what everyone expected at the minimum and Nintendo couldn't even do that. Along with the whole accounts fiasco this console is a fucking disaster so far.

[Rapture]

What I am doing is trying to understand why you can call the Wii U crap, and not come and call the PS3 or 360 crap. There is nothing crappy about the Wii U. It plays the newer games being released with all the latest graphics of the current generation. The Wii U has a pretty amazing gamepad as well. Not seeing where "crap" comes in to it.

Nintendo made it very clear that they are no longer competing with Sony and Microsoft. Wii owners complained about the graphics being so much behind the PS3 and 360. Nintendo releases a new Wii that can handle more than the current gen consoles, and it is crap?

I don't know why you're overlooking the issue here. Of course the answer to that is a resounding "yes" in this case. In the hardware department I don't see how you couldn't constitute the Wii-U as anything past the adjective of terrible. In at least the CPU, it's weaker than 7 year old hardware. That's pathetic.

Stating that the Wii-U can do what current rival hardware can do isn't at all impressive or a compliment. It just shows Nintendo is happy to do the same song and dance as last-generation and walk away to the bank laughing. To be honest it's actually a little disgusting.

[mynd]

Yup, in terms of consumer "bang for your buck" it is terrible.
This is, from what I can see, a last gen system emulated as close as they could with todays tech.

[Vulgotha]

What everyone above me said.