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    Boots on the ground: Obamaís cybersecurity directive could allow military deployment

    Boots on the ground: Obama’s cybersecurity directive could allow military deployment within the US

    The White House is being asked by attorneys to explain a top-secret presidential policy directive signed last month that may allow for the domestic deployment of the US military for the sake of so-called cybersecurity.

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    Lawyers with the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) have filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request with the office of US President Barack Obama in hopes if hearing more about an elusive order signed in secrecy in mid-October but only made public in an article published this week in the Washington Post.
    According to persons close to the White House who have seen the order and spoke with the Post, Presidential Policy Directive 20 (PP20) aims to “finalize new rules of engagement that would guide commanders when and how the military can go outside government networks to prevent a cyberattack that could cause significant destruction or casualties.” Attorneys with EPIC are now demanding that they see this secret order to find out what exactly that could mean, citing the possibility of putting boots on the ground in the United States if the government argues it’s imperative for cybersecurity.
    In the FOIA request, EPIC attorneys Amie Stepanovich and Ginger McCall ask to see information about PP20 because they fear it may enable “military deployment within the United States” by way of a “secret law” that lets the National Security Agency and Pentagon put armed forces in charge of protecting America’s cyberinfrastructure and crucial routes of communications.
    “We don’t know what’s in this policy directive and we feel the American public has the right to know,” McCall tells Raw Story this week.
    On her part, Stepanovich adds that getting to the truth of the matter could be a nightmare given the NSA’s tendency to keep these sorts of things secret.
    “The NSA’s cyber security operations have been kept very, very secret, and because of that it has been impossible for the public to react to them,” Stepanovich adds. “[That makes it] very difficult, we believe, for Congress to legislate in this area. It’s in the public’s best interest, from a knowledge perspective and from a legislative perspective, to be made aware of what authority the NSA is being given.”
    The potential of martial law became a topic actually discussed by Congress last year when lawmakers first considered provisions for this year’s National Defense Authorization Act, or NDAA. Before the House and Senate agreed on including a section to the law letting the White House arrest and detain any US citizen indefinitely without trial or charge, another provision was almost put on the books that would have essentially allowed for military rule during some situations.
    The NDAA’s S. 1867 would “basically say in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield” Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), a supporter of the bill, said last year.
    Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H) agreed with his colleague’s claim, telling Congress that “America is part of the battlefield” suggesting that the laws of war are applicable anywhere, even in someone’s own backyard.
    EPIC writes that PPD 20 “may violate federal law that prohibits military deployment within the United States without congressional approval” if their worse fear prove correct.

    According to the Post’s tale on the directive, the Pentagon now has blueprints to wage more offensive cyberassaults on entities that may be jeopardizing the cybersecurity of domestic computer systems. How they do that, however, remains an issue that the FOIA request will have to coerce from Washington.
    http://rt.com/usa/news/directive-mil...oyment-us-892/


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    I'd like to hear more about this one. Just on face value, it seems like the government wants to control us even more to some degree. wtf, we are starting to get more and more like a country we left in order to start a free country. smh




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    But it will be in favor for many and not others... How to enforce this
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    Quote Originally Posted by F34R View Post
    I'd like to hear more about this one. Just on face value, it seems like the government wants to control us even more to some degree. wtf, we are starting to get more and more like a country we left in order to start a free country. smh
    And people keep electing a president that does stuff like this.
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    Fear tactics and raping a nation
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    Martial law? Why the f--- are we even discussing this!? What is this country, the Soviet Union? Cyber security my ass. You start putting soldiers on the ground and that's just going to scare people. That's going to make people feel unsafe, like something is going to happen to them on their way home from work or school.

    I don't know where this country is headed but when need you do a 180 and head right back because we made a wrong turn somewhere. And someone please explain it to me but why would we need soldiers on the ground against cyber attacks? Those happen on computers soooo....?

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    Its not definative nowhere is there an admission or proof of martial law.

    besides USA has a huge arsenal of weapons because of the rigth to bear arms, you can take on the army and win easy right so Chill the $#@! out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keefy View Post
    Its not definative nowhere is there an admission or proof of martial law.

    besides USA has a huge arsenal of weapons because of the rigth to bear arms, you can take on the army and win easy right so Chill the $#@! out.
    I'm not overly upset. Not at all but I wouldn't put it past politicians to pass something like this.

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    Well it might not be solid on the stone... But it's coming


    The fact is, that the states has a role in the world and that is control and lies. Just like the UK,France,Germany etc... all powerful countries

    Russia and China are the ones the USA and UK are afraid of and since the acquisition of unlimited funds from the their respective government.

    The change of the position of power. Makes the ability to grow at world level possibly and home grown military is getting bigger, it might be low level military marines or soldiers... But that will change

    And the act of land and sea drones, makes the this a home grown truth in the USA and were i live in the UK..


    It's fact that home grown military is going to happen, with the ability of entrapment by the FBI, CIA,NSA etc...And The UK's M.I.5 and closed of operations..

    This is the rules the services are playing with


    The problem is true fact is... You kill one in another country aka Afghanistan, you create a hundred fighters or you kill hundreds of them you create a thousand fighters. These are people that never took up arms


    Now have that at home and you have home grown terrorism... The exact thing you are preventing
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    Russia: the country you say we should be afraid of is also the country you get your news from.

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    Yes true... But its the governments that say they are an enemy, not the people that are level minded and actually understand that it's all made up
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    Quote Originally Posted by keefy View Post
    Russia: the country you say we should be afraid of is also the country you get your news from.
    I said Soviet Union which dissolved in 1991 and was different from Russia today. This is not the Cold War anymore so we don't need troops around making people nervous something is going to happen.

    No one should be afraid of Russia but we should not turn into what the Cold War Soviet Union was, which putting soldiers on the ground at home, ramping up security, martial law, reminds me of the SU. I don't 100% believe these things would happen but the fact that's it's even mentioned concerns me.
    Last edited by podsaurus; 11-25-2012 at 18:34.

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    Zombies are coming. that's why we are hearing more about this "martial law" because the zombies are on the way. some scientific nuclear plant will blow up and the zombie virus will spread like the plague..o.O


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    I am one for not caring, because China will take over the USA soon.... So this whole fear thing will grow and the USA and UK are feeding this fear.
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    And we will hear nary a peep from Democrats or Republicans because in the back of their minds, away from the public eye, they are all for this. The MSM will not say a word either because it's in their best financial interests to not report this.

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