how did Sony fail v 360 in the states?

[Yungstar 2006]

they gave us free online, they gave us cheap game rentals with PS+ and even (according to some) loads of fantastic exclusives. they even tried combining PS2 sales with PS3 and yet....

november sales...

360: 1.26M
Wii U: 425K
Wii: 420K
PS3 unknown, but thought to be half of 360...

[AaronSOLDIER]

How did MS fail to achieve what Sony did with their first console with two attempts? Also an interesting question.

[Soldier 95B]

Don't you think it adds up to marketing? I am not saying Sony didn't market, but Xbox is everywhere in the US. Literally every place you look, as far as ads go. Sporting event banners, olympics, tv, you name it. MS has a bottomless pit of money to promote it.

[KillingSpree0]

Don't you think it adds up to marketing? I am not saying Sony didn't market, but Xbox is everywhere in the US. Literally every place you look, as far as ads go. Sporting event banners, olympics, tv, you name it. MS has a bottomless pit of money to promote it.

This is true, most people here even think most of the multiplat games are exclusive to 360 just because of the commercials they see only advertise for 360. The psn hack was also a big deal too, most people feel psn will just keep getting hacked and their service sucks while 360/live is unhackable

[Blacksite]

In my opinion, the poor marketing, strict and/or pricey business model, lack of exclusive first-person shooters and JRPGs as well as the PlayStation Network outage all contributed to Sony falling short of Nintendo and Microsoft.

I also believe Sony are arrogant. Honest observation. As much as I like the PlayStation brand, I could care less about it being a 'mature experience for mature gamers'. The notion that tablets and smartphones are hindering the Vita's success doesn't make much sense either. Why doesn't it affect the Nintendo 3DS?

I'm not saying Sony are doomed to repeat the same mistakes with the PS4 but they shouldn't continue to treat Microsoft like they're new to the industry. They broke a lot of ground with Xbox Live when it first came out. I would even go as far as to say that Halo will be as big as Mario and The Legend of Zelda in the near future.

[Bigdoggy]

I've said this before in another thread. The reason I believe Sony is falling short this gen of Consoles is because of Howard Stringer. But not only him, it's also because the PS3, while it does a lot of things "okay" it doesn't do them great. You can clearly tell that Sony wasn't looking at their competition which is why everything was patched into the PS3 late. Nothing is streamlined into the system and I believe the main reason of that is because they didn't think online would Boom like it did.

Look how late they were with HOME. you could tell they started making HOME once the Xbox360 released their specs and what the machine was capable of. Yet, HOME has shit performance because Sony wasn't planning on doing that or any other online things. nothing in the system is streamlined, it's all tacked on because they weren't prepaired. they even have lame fuckin text chat like people would want to text while they were playing their games. lol

I believe the PS4 wont have nearly the stupid shit that the PS3 has. i also believe the PS4 will have everything in the system streamlined and polished. They also need to improve their market. they fund so much dumb shit and barely put in a penny for commercalizing said product on stations they need to commercialize on.

[DarkVincent07]

You guys make some good points, its probably a mix of them all. That and the fact it came out a year later doesn't help.

That being said, the PS3 does a lot of things better, I use it for all of my media streaming and dvd/blu ray watching. I only turn on my 360 to play games the PS3 does everything else. No idea why there is a lot of hate towards it in the US. Must be the constant advertising.

[radgamer420]

US loves its shooters and 360 had both Halo 4 and COD release on it this holiday while this year Sony had no compelling exclusives. An equally good question would be how did MS fail vs PS3 outside of the states?

[Bigdoggy]

You guys make some good points, its probably a mix of them all. That and the fact it came out a year later doesn't help.

That being said, the PS3 does a lot of things better, I use it for all of my media streaming and dvd/blu ray watching. I only turn on my 360 to play games the PS3 does everything else. No idea why there is a lot of hate towards it in the US. Must be the constant advertising.

media doesn't matter, that isn't the problem. the problems are....

-crappy wireless

-HOME being tacked on, slow performance wise.

-performance wise on everything game related to being in game while going into the main menu.

- basically every feature in the PS3 be it texting (obviously because they can't add crossgame chat) to multipurpose functioning was all tacked on, period. there is really no arguing this matter unless you feel like it. lol

Also, Sony doesn't advertise barely at all on any of the most common TV stations NBC, FOX, etc etc because for even 20 seconds of time it costs a bit over $80,000 to even $120,000. That price changes when the Super Bowl is going on, it runs anywhere from $500,000 up to $1.2 million dollars. TV wise, sony isn't helping their business, youtube doesn't count by the way. considering they've had 2 minute commercials on youtube about the playstation 3 but only for youtube. that right there is shit advertising at it's best.

[DarkVincent07]

Hmm. Yeah they really have fallen flat when it comes to advertising.


The only PS3 TV ad here I've seen lately was, strangely enough, for Skyldanders Giants. :/ Of all games. NO doubt its popular among the kids but they know by now, its general knowledge that those games are on every platform

[Blacksite]

Hmm. Yeah they really have fallen flat when it comes to advertising.

The only PS3 TV ad here I've seen lately was, strangely enough, for Skyldanders Giants. :/ Of all games. NO doubt its popular among the kids but they know by now, its general knowledge that those games are on every platform

This is the only PS3 commercial I've seen from Sony lately:

[Ghost-Rhayne]

Nah nah nana nah...My e-peen is bigger than yours! Really,who gives a fuck? Sony and MS are neck and neck and a 200K sales doesn't really many much.

[radgamer420]

Nah nah nana nah...My e-peen is bigger than yours! Really,who gives a fuck? Sony and MS are neck and neck and a 200K sales doesn't really many much.

Yep I agree. And the games keep coming.

[Ghost-Rhayne]

Exactly.Here's a question: How did MS fail to support its console with more games than Sony when it was in a financially superior position with hardware that was easier to code for? We could ask these questions all day or we could play games.

[Yungstar 2006]

Exactly.Here's a question: How did MS fail to support its console with more games than Sony when it was in a financially superior position with hardware that was easier to code for? We could ask these questions all day or we could play games.

did they fail to support it or did they realise they did not have to waste 10s of millions on games people would not buy the way Sony have...

[radgamer420]

did they fail to support it or did they realise they did not have to waste 10s of millions on games people would not buy the way Sony have...

Really? http://www.lazygamer.net/ps3/gt5-bre...-going-strong/ and also http://www.gamespot.com/news/unchart...copies-6344707

[F34R]

Really? http://www.lazygamer.net/ps3/gt5-bre...-going-strong/ and also http://www.gamespot.com/news/unchart...copies-6344707

I don't see him referencing those games at all.

[radgamer420]

I don't see him referencing those games at all.

Well his comment seemed like a blanket statement about PS3 exclusives period.

[F34R]

they gave us free online, they gave us cheap game rentals with PS+ and even (according to some) loads of fantastic exclusives. they even tried combining PS2 sales with PS3 and yet....

november sales...

360: 1.26M
Wii U: 425K
Wii: 420K
PS3 unknown, but thought to be half of 360...

Marketing and bundles.

How did MS fail to achieve what Sony did with their first console with two attempts? Also an interesting question.

competition and install base.

Exactly.Here's a question: How did MS fail to support its console with more games than Sony when it was in a financially superior position with hardware that was easier to code for? We could ask these questions all day or we could play games.

How does someone say MS failed to support its console with more games than Sony? Probably a counting issue.

As far as the "we could ask the questions..." comments.. well, it's a discussion board. Not a log on to forums, go play games, board. If that loose reference, playing games, is used, then there isn't a need for the forums at all. Doesn't have anything to do with the actual topic.

[Lethal_NFS]

Sony shot themselves in the foot by not having cross game chat. That was probably the definitive reason why most gamers chose the 360. And online gaming dominates the market.

[KillingSpree0]

and those are old numbers

[Nitey]

In terms of exclusives. Even if Sony brings out a game that has a fanbase of a couple hundred thousand or ends up not selling as much as they would like: so long as they make even a slight bit of money on it means it is a worthy investment due to continued diversity in their PS3 catalogue of games.

For example Jaffe said that Twisted Metal was profitable. So despite the game apparently not selling that well, it at least catered to those old school TM fans and possibly found new fans in there too.

It's as though if a game doesn't sell millions of copies it's a failure, which is not the case. I think they should be commended for green lighting risky projects, or games that will clearly not achieve huge amounts of revenue.

Sure there is some stupidity in amongst a lot of decisions they make, and their marketing could be a lot better as has already been mentioned. But game-wise the more the better. Sony already has their big selling games

[radgamer420]

In terms of exclusives. Even if Sony brings out a game that has a fanbase of a couple hundred thousand or ends up not selling as much as they would like: so long as they make even a slight bit of money on it means it is a worthy investment due to continued diversity in their PS3 catalogue of games. For example Jaffe said that Twisted Metal was profitable. So despite the game apparently not selling that well, it at least catered to those old school TM fans and possibly found new fans in there too. It's as though if a game doesn't sell millions of copies it's a failure, which is not the case. I think they should be commended for green lighting risky projects, or games that will clearly not achieve huge amounts of revenue. Sure there is some stupidity in amongst a lot of decisions they make, and their marketing could be a lot better as has already been mentioned. But game-wise the more the better. Sony already has their big selling games

Very true. And Sony continues to make these games so they obviously sold enough to warrant sequels in Sony's eyes.

[Two4DaMoney]

Exactly.Here's a question: How did MS fail to support its console with more games than Sony when it was in a financially superior position with hardware that was easier to code for? We could ask these questions all day or we could play games.

did they fail to support it or did they realise they did not have to waste 10s of millions on games people would not buy the way Sony have...

Yes and Yes

Too Human hit MS hard. It cost between 60-80 million and it failed big time.
Alan Wake sold like crap on the 360 and it was in development for quite some time. PC saved Remedy's ass by making the Alan Wake series profitable.
Shadow Run failed
Crackdown 2 failed

Those titles are why MS deemed it wasn't worth sinking money into a new i.p because they seem to fail everytime. Gears, fable, Halo and forza(and 3rd party of course) worked well for MS but the 360 was on the decline before their kinect gamble paid off and the ps3 was outselling it by a few million each year. If kinect would have failed, the 360 would be in 3rd place now. But since we are obviously not talking about kinect/move or psn/live("10's of millions"), read below.

In terms of exclusives. Even if Sony brings out a game that has a fanbase of a couple hundred thousand or ends up not selling as much as they would like: so long as they make even a slight bit of money on it means it is a worthy investment due to continued diversity in their PS3 catalogue of games.

For example Jaffe said that Twisted Metal was profitable. So despite the game apparently not selling that well, it at least catered to those old school TM fans and possibly found new fans in there too.

It's as though if a game doesn't sell millions of copies it's a failure, which is not the case. I think they should be commended for green lighting risky projects, or games that will clearly not achieve huge amounts of revenue.

Sure there is some stupidity in amongst a lot of decisions they make, and their marketing could be a lot better as has already been mentioned. But game-wise the more the better. Sony already has their big selling games

Adding on to Nitey's post and answering your "failed support" question when it comes to "10's of millions" big budget games on the 360.

Microsoft's exclusives that received sequels/prequels are gears(new i.p), halo, fable, forza. Feel free to add any missing data. Correct me if I'm wrong, Yung.

Sony's exclusives that received sequels/prequels. Infamous(new i.p.), Killzone, Little big planet(new i.p.), God of War, Resistance(new i.p.), Yakuza, gran turisimo, Uncharted(new i.p.), MLB: The show, Motorstorm(new i.p.), Ratchet & Clank, Heavy Rain(new i.p.).

The developers of Infamous, killzone and heavy rain and uncharted are being allowed to make a new i.p.

Failed support(from your big budget "10's of millions" perspective)? Hell yes. That's one big budget new i.p. for 7 years that the people decided was worthy of a damn on the 360.

[radgamer420]

Two4DaMoney nailed it. 'Nuff said. And as long as Sony keeps making exclusives like this one I'm more than happy.(scroll down a bit after the jump) http://www.psu.com/forums/showthread...=1#post5961612