Shootings At Connecticut Elementary School

[djpenny]

They are just saying he is mentally unstable, because it's just so easy to attach that label to him...

we will never know the true story why he did it
but the movie theater shooting was out to send a msg this sandy school shooter was prolly following the joker shooter msg

[djpenny]

u mean like a martyr?

They said he did destroy his Computer, maybe he was reached out by someone through the net who manipulated him to do such act.

they said he is a very very smart kid i bet his plan ect was on his computer he didn't want anyone to see it

[claud3]

That's one of the problems.... Copycats always follow

Like in los Angeles, when the guys were arrested for threatening a elementary school. A day after the sandy hook massacre

[djpenny]

they doing it for the greater good maybe?

[MATRIX 2]

in all honesty? have you looked? it likely doesn't fit with what you want to see - and it doesn't fit with what your government and lobbies really want to hear.

i can find you many scholarly articles that link gun ownership to homicide rates that specifically state that little or no substitution for other weapons would occur if gun availability was reduced. one links illegal arms to homicide rates, and suggests that while no correlation exists in their view between legitimate weapons and homicide, the security of those weapons is important. given that americans won't secure their weapons by choice, the obvious answer becomes some sort of legislation. education can help, but as you've mentioned, you've tried that too. perhaps a combination of the two.

several of the articles also mention that gun legislation struggles to work because of the variance in the laws and number of weapons in circulation in their own and neighbouring states. that just points to poor execution, which is no reason to not consider tighter controls.

anyway, all articles are from major scholarly publications and came up in the first few pages of a simple search (gun crime US). it just isn't as black and white as you want it to be.

again though - i really don't care enough to get to drawn into this. my point is not to show you that 'i'm right' and 'you're wrong', but to perhaps show you that it isn't just black and white. in all honesty my view is only that you cannot dismiss greater control in an off-hand way. you've barely tried it. plenty of intelligent people disagree with your views based on empirical and theoretical evidence. so why just shut out the other side of the argument?

eitherway i'm pretty much done. no offense, but i've spent a reasonable amount of time on this and i have an exam coming up soon! been interesting though.

You misunderstand my post. I'm talking about individuals. Those studies don't really have anything to do with what I just said. You have various people, politicians, and celebrities calling for various kinds/levels of gun control.

But no individuals who meet the above criteria.

Would you like to hear my belief as to why they don't exist?

In addition to realizing that guns are just a symptom of the larger issue at hand, such individuals realize that the vast majority of gun laws make no sense and/or address pointless aspects of guns that can either be easily circumvented or make no tangible difference in a weapons capability.

It doesn't help that lawmakers in the US have a pretty poor history of passing decent gun control legislation in the first place.

Just as an example, look at the law concerning AR15's (.223 caliber) in the UK, vs a state like california. You will see the absurdity of CA laws very quickly.

Regarding you comment about gun owners securing their weapons properly, what makes you think they (vast majority) don't already do so.

They already have significant motivation (theft/misuse which ends up with the weapon being used to commit a crime/murder, and the (significant) financial costs of such losses.

[PeanutButterMunky]

What the fuck is going on in this thread anymore.

No idea...

[claud3]

Well it's just what the cops have said, so have reporters to

Saying the guy is mentally ill.... Which is most likely wrong

We just don't know

[THUGGEDOUT]

I find it interesting that what they are saying about this nutcase, is pretty similar to the Virginia Tech shooter. I watched a pretty good in depth documentary on the VTM yesterday...wow. Link if anyone is interested.

[claud3]

Again, because its so easy to label them as nutcases

Besides actually looking into what, where, why, how and who

[The Boy From School]

Kid wasn't loved by anyone.

[Blacksite]

You have a link to this, I haven't been able to fin anything along those lines here from the UK press.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2329508.html

[THUGGEDOUT]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2329508.html

Thanks.

[claud3]

It's hard to get actual truth to this here in the UK, because its filtered before reaching here and vice versa news from here to the u.s

[Shibby]

Again, because its so easy to label them as nutcases

Besides actually looking into what, where, why, how and who

Because he was a fucking nutcase. You simply don't do something like this without being a nutcase.

I agree should be looking into "what, where, why, how, and who".
What made him a nutcase?
Where did he become a nutcase?
Why was he a nutcase?
How did he become a nutcase?
Who influenced him becoming a nutcase?

A mentally stable individual doesn't go on a killing spree. A mentally stable individual doesn't want to kill himself.

[djpenny]

Because he was a fucking nutcase. You simply don't do something like this without being a nutcase.

I agree should be looking into "what, where, why, how, and who".
What made him a nutcase?
Where did he become a nutcase?
Why was he a nutcase?
How did he become a nutcase?
Who influenced him becoming a nutcase?

A mentally stable individual doesn't go on a killing spree. A mentally stable individual doesn't want to kill himself.

soldiers kill way more then that kid but they are mark a hero

[Blacksite]

soldiers kill way more then that kid but they are mark a hero

Not the same thing at all.

[djpenny]

Not the same thing at all.

how its not the same? killing is killing
the only different the gov told that soldier kill that man/person
btw
i don't want look like a dick or anything in my posts

[Blacksite]

how its not the same? killing is killing
the only different the gov told that soldier kill that man/person
btw
i don't want look like a dick or anything in my posts

Context. The world is not as black and white as most people would like to believe. And it really has nothing to do with the original topic.

[Shibby]

soldiers kill way more then that kid but they are mark a hero

and in a lot of cases, it fucks with their heads, because it is simply an unnatural thing for people to do.

[claud3]

Look nutcases do kill a lot... But as I said

I could go out and kill people for no reason...That does not make me a nutcase

[Shibby]

Because you don't actually go out and do it. If you did, it would make you a nutcase.

[admartian]

Look nutcases do kill a lot... But as I said

I could go out and kill people for no reason...That does not make me a nutcase

lol yeah it would. Especially if it were for no reason.

[claud3]

Maybe so... But then again I could just act and say stuff to make me crazy

But I know that I am not... Even if I act normal as i would, they would still classifies me a nutcase... and it would be so hard to disprove that label

[Shibby]

That would make you even more of a nutcase.

[claud3]

Ok I admit is not sense..... But you have to understand the flaw in the argument that the cops and reporters are making