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    Look I might argue the 2nd amendment because its from my perspective, but I respect the reasons why you warship it and the history it carries. Plus the connection it has between families and friends...

    Its the fact its used when it was not really intended to be used the why Americans thought it should be

    Its a generational thing


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrath View Post
    wrong toronto had over 100 last year alone

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    Canadian people have not addiest to this subject....

    They are French lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by claud3 View Post
    Look I might argue the 2nd amendment because its from my perspective, but I respect the reasons why you warship it and the history it carries. Plus the connection it has between families and friends...

    Its the fact its used when it was not really intended to be used the why Americans thought it should be

    Its a generational thing
    If u don't know what the 2nd Amendment was intended for I'll let Ice-T explained it to u so there won't be any confusion whether the 2nd Amendment is for hunting() or sport shooting() or any other bullshit the media makes up.


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    Nice song...

    But I see it a past down to generations with it explained differently


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    Quote Originally Posted by claud3 View Post
    Nice song...


    But I see it a past down to generations with it explained differently
    That's because those ppl are stupid.
    As an American it is our civic duty to protect the constitution and the 2nd Amendment above all, period.

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    The 2nd amendment is a challenge of what it was truly intended for.... It was to be used at points of a persons life, not the beginning

    It only answers to threats and not assumptions or predictions or what you deem a threat

    Having a " right to bare arms " in place, it automatically makes you think the world is a threat and yet it's safe...

    Terrorism is not a threat to the u.s.a, it's what you believe that's a threat... So Islamic terrorist did what they did and " brought death to Americans " in different ways...

    And you deem them evil and a threat to America

    So what do you deem an American in that context, you can make the argument that they are arming the enemy you think is an enemy.

    Look I know for a fact you past on the lessons of old to New generation of people now, they will believe it's the way it is and that is so so so wrong

    Just like Islamic extremism, you are passing on a rule of law

    That makes Americans terrorist, because they kill for the sake of a belief
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    The entire post before makes no sense

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    Mine mate, if so sorry

    I tried to fix it


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    Yeah I read it late last night, and re read it today and makes more sense. Even so I'm not entirely sure what you are trying to say, which is a shame because you usually have quite good arguments.
    "Remember that you are an Englishman, and have consequently won first prize in the lottery of life"

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    sorry mate, it was a last minute thought and thanks

    i was saying that just like terrorism, some american's take the 2nd amendment as a belief. Just like terrorism and kill on that belief

    so its a double standard and that mind set needs to shift to an understanding to what the true meaning of the the right to bare arms truly means in my mind


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    This is quite possibly the definitive article on the subject. Read it. At least if you care about the truth.

    An opinion on gun control « Monster Hunter Nation




    And for those of you that get particularly hung up on cosmetic features.

    Why Not Renew the “Assault Weapons” Ban? Well, I’ll Tell You… « Kontradictions








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    this to me says " WHY "

    Utah gun advocates start shooting class for teachers

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    Published: 28 December, 2012, 01:11




    Utah gun rights advocates have launched free concealed-weapons training for public school teachers in the aftermath of the deadly Connecticut school shooting. They argue arming teachers could enable a swift response to such attacks.



    The course includes instructions on how to respond to an attack and tactics to disrupt an attacker and save lives.

    The Utah Shooting Sports Council (USSC), which organized the course, will attract around 200 teachers. Set to start this Thursday, the tutorials will take place in the Salt Lake City suburb of West Valley.

    The council says dozens of teachers every year attend the classes to learn legally required information on carrying concealed weapons in public places. But this time, the state's leading gun lobby waived its regular fee, about $50, to encourage a higher turnout.

    The organizers goal is to arm more teachers after the shooting in the Newtown school, Connecticut where 20 children and six adults were killed by heavily armed 20-year-old Adam Lanza.

    "Schools are some of the safest places in the world, but I think teachers understand that something has changed – the sanctity of schools has changed," one of Utah's leading gun instructors and chairman of the Utah Shooting Sports Council, Clark Aposhian, said. "Mass shootings may still be rare, but that doesn't help you when the monster comes in."

    The organization explains that they are not “suggesting that teachers roam the halls" for a “monster”, but believe that having a gun will help them to protect children.

    "They should lock down the classroom. But a gun is one more option if the shooter breaks into a classroom,”Aposhian said.

    The USSC believes that during a shooting like in Newtown, teachers can act more quickly than law enforcement in the critical first few minutes.

    Utah, along with Kansas, are the only states that allow individuals with conceal-carry permits to bring their guns into schools. According to gun-rights advocates’ statistics, at least one per cent of Utah teachers, making up sum 240 people, are licensed to carry concealed weapons.

    Recently, the idea of training teachers to use firearms has also been suggested in Ohio, where the local gun rights organization offered a three-day course for 24 teachers. The first free class is scheduled for early next month.

    “The long-term goal is to develop a standard Armed Teacher curriculum and make the training available to any teacher or school official,” said Ken Hanson from the Buckeye Firearms Association.

    Just like the training in Utah, the course in Ohio will focus on identifying a potential attacker and what to do in the event of a school shooting or other emergency.

    The initiative to organize concealed-weapons training for school teachers follows the controversial speech by Wayne LaPierre, the Vice President of the National Rifle Association (NRA).

    LaPierre addressed a room full of reporters, calling for a law that would allow guns in each school across America. The NRA insists that firearms are the only solution that would put an end to shootings in schools.

    "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," the National Rifle Associations’ CEO said.

    Exempt from his speech was any mention of Columbine High School, the site of an infamous US school shooting in 1999, which employed such guards. In that attack 12 students and one teacher were killed and 21 students injured.

    The speech was met with harsh criticism from anti-gun demonstrators, who interrupted the press conference.

    The horrific Newtown shooting has once again sparked debates over the nation's gun laws. Many politicians and public figures called for new restrictions, whilst gun rights defenders claim the ban on arms violates the second Amendment (the right of the people to keep and bear arms) and will not stop shooters, because the “real problem is the criminal”.

    Refuting proponents of gun control, LaPierre blamed the US government, entertainment industry and the corporate media for the Newtown massacre.

    However, teachers in Utah said they would ban guns if they could. They say Utah legislators left them no choice but to accept weapons in schools – state law forbids schools, districts or college campuses from trying to impose their own gun restrictions.


    Carol Lear, Chief lawyer for the Utah Office of Education and an opponent of guns in schools, argues that the notion of teachers carrying guns are “horrible, terrible, no-good, rotten idea” and could also lead to an accidental shooting.
    http://rt.com/usa/news/utah-training-teachers-guns-965/
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    This is a good thing, claud3. Think about it. The next time some asshole thinks he/she can get away with murdering a bunch of kids, they're gonna have to deal with a bunch of armed teachers in his/her way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morganator View Post
    This is a good thing, claud3. Think about it. The next time some asshole thinks he/she can get away with murdering a bunch of kids, they're gonna have to deal with a bunch of armed teachers in his/her way.
    Would kind of be like that criminal that tried robbing a gun store. Didn't go so well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeanutButterMunky View Post
    Would kind of be like that criminal that tried robbing a gun store. Didn't go so well.
    Exactly. It won't end well for any would-be mass murderer.

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    LMFAO, just realized TheBoyFromSchool posted this thread

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    Remember this, teachers that go to work in a depressed state and just one thing can push them over the edge... So an outsider gunning kids down would not be a worry, when the teacher can do it within the safety of the classroom

    You have to think beyond someone coming in, and think that the gunman or women is already in the classroom
    Last edited by claud3; 12-28-2012 at 19:33.


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    can we let this thread RIP

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    nope... I feel we can still talk about this. In an adult fashion


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    An excellent article on the topic of gun control:

    http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/t...dle-of-the-gun

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    All articles and videos are all well and good

    But it's are opinions that we need to focus on... What we all really think


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    Quote Originally Posted by claud3 View Post
    All articles and videos are all well and good

    But it's are opinions that we need to focus on... What we all really think
    Sure, and by listening to opinions of others, be it in a forum or in the form of an article, our opinions evolve. I say articles and video's are just as good as any opinion on this forum and should be equally considered.
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    but they change how you think by yourself and can change you're opinion on a strong topic


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    Quote Originally Posted by claud3 View Post
    but they change how you think by yourself and can change you're opinion on a strong topic
    What's wrong with that?
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