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    Quote Originally Posted by claud3 View Post
    but they change how you think by yourself and can change you're opinion on a strong topic
    So? We should all allow our opinions to change or be enhanced after seeing new evidence or greater insights which give a better understanding of a topic. To hold onto an opinion regardless is to shut out knowledge, and many times our initial opinions are wrong or incomplete.

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    well i guess this again will not be the last school shooting

    with whats happening now.. A possible new one soon

    i see on the artcial posting and video posting

    completely different to you and no disrespect mate
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    Quote Originally Posted by claud3 View Post
    well i guess this again will not be the last school shooting

    with whats happening now.. A possible new one soon

    i see on the artcial posting and video posting

    completely different to you and no disrespect mate
    So, if an opinion differs from yours or what you think is "right", that "opinion" should be completely ignored? Without exposure to thoughts that differ from your own, how do you expect to learn and grow?
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    I am from a different perspective mate and we all see things differently and that is fine...

    A clash of opinions make a thread what it is... I am just saying I feel that posting a video or articles on a tough issue like this, will influence you're actual true opinion in a way that you favor the opinion off the person that wrote the article or made the video...

    So draw that the opinion of set article or video is right and you draw a conclusion that your opinion must equal that opinion of the article or video

    Were is i see it differently, were is my opinion is my own and i post articles or videos to show other opinions do count, but does not influence my way of thinking on this issue
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulgotha View Post
    Thank you media for always accurately sharing information to the masses!. I do wonder why it was reported that the shooter used an AR and not just handguns. Not only that but an AR was not even present, instead they found a shotgun in the trunk of a car.







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    Because they REALLY wanted it to be an AR15 to push anti-gun agendas?


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    Aparently .22 & .223 AR15 is legal in the UK
    Last edited by keefy; 01-04-2013 at 16:12.

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    some countries have different laws on certain weapons, here in Northern Ireland/ireland

    we i believe have no laws on weapons besides hunting weapons... Heavy weapons like assualt rifles and others are easy to get hold of because of illegal groups
    So weapons laws fall through here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulgotha View Post
    Because they REALLY wanted it to be an AR15 to push anti-gun agendas?
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    Pretty sure the medical examiner said the children deaths was due to rifle rounds. .223.

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    what else can be said and done to help these poor kids and adults

    Nothing at all, lets let this thread r.i.p and post in the thread i made on this issue

    called THE OFFICIAL GUNS THREAD ( SAFETY ON AT ALL TIME )
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    Quote Originally Posted by MATRIX 2 View Post
    Pretty sure the medical examiner said the children deaths was due to rifle rounds. .223.
    And its unlikely he used the weapon that was found in the vehicle if he was found on site dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keefy View Post
    And its unlikely he used the weapon that was found in the vehicle if he was found on site dead.
    how did he carry an AR-15 into the school and no one saw it? He had to be let in correct? so where they all blind?

    The guy carry two handgun and a AR-15 to the school and no one can see anything suspicious...ok, I would like everyone to go buy two handguns( as describe in the news, same model) and a AR-15. Now try to conceal it while walking around, also don't forget the 100rnd clips() and hundreds of extra ammo he was carrying like they said.

    you want the truth? Handguns were used, that why there where two found in the school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MATRIX 2 View Post
    Pretty sure the medical examiner said the children deaths was due to rifle rounds. .223.
    Then why is what I posted even news? Where's the rifle?

    Not saying they're lying or anything, but I'm curious about the location of the gun and why people would even bother reporting this..


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    Well nvm then. I thought this was another great moment of media ignorance, but I was mistaken.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulgotha View Post
    Then why is what I posted even news? Where's the rifle?

    Not saying they're lying or anything, but I'm curious about the location of the gun and why people would even bother reporting this..
    4 guns

    2 pistols (one was a sig sauer, 9mm I believe)

    1 rifle (bushmaster .223 ar-15)

    1 Semi Auto shotgun (Saiga or VEPR) in the trunk of the car.

    Shotgun was not used.

    Bushmaster was used to shoot the kinds

    Lanza shot himself with one of the pistols.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...=all#pagebreak

    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/18/us...uns/index.html

    skip to 1:18 and you can see the gun in the car trunk:

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    Quote Originally Posted by reasonable_doubt View Post
    how did he carry an AR-15 into the school and no one saw it? He had to be let in correct? so where they all blind?

    The guy carry two handgun and a AR-15 to the school and no one can see anything suspicious...ok, I would like everyone to go buy two handguns( as describe in the news, same model) and a AR-15. Now try to conceal it while walking around, also don't forget the 100rnd clips() and hundreds of extra ammo he was carrying like they said.

    you want the truth? Handguns were used, that why there where two found in the school.

    He broke a window to get in.

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    the way it will finally work or not

    Is that, it is up to the american people and the government to strike a deal to fit all in this issue and so it does not affect the 2nd amendment or breaks the trust of the government that is meant to be by people and for the people

    May god willing a deal is struck over this issue and it curves in some way less mass killings like this and evilness that anyone on the planet can avoid

    Because it's not only american's are suffering with gun problems or violence, it's the whole world
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    Quote Originally Posted by claud3 View Post
    I am from a different perspective mate and we all see things differently and that is fine...

    A clash of opinions make a thread what it is... I am just saying I feel that posting a video or articles on a tough issue like this, will influence you're actual true opinion in a way that you favor the opinion off the person that wrote the article or made the video...

    So draw that the opinion of set article or video is right and you draw a conclusion that your opinion must equal that opinion of the article or video

    Were is i see it differently, were is my opinion is my own and i post articles or videos to show other opinions do count, but does not influence my way of thinking on this issue
    So, no matter what new information you are made aware of, you are unwilling to change your opinion? I don't see how your opinion can be so rigid that it can't be changed... even the slightest bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weskurtz81 View Post
    So, no matter what new information you are made aware of, you are unwilling to change your opinion? I don't see how your opinion can be so rigid that it can't be changed... even the slightest bit.
    Sounds alot like religion.

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    I guess this is most appropriate here. I wrote an article for Rant Political concerning alot of the stuff talked about in this thread.

    http://rantpolitical.com/2013/01/06/...esponsibility/


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    Quote Originally Posted by keefy View Post
    Sounds alot like religion.
    Nah, to me this sounds more like someone with a closed mind. One can be religious an open minded at the same time, while anyone can be close minded regardless of what they believe in.
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    i am not closed minded mate or religious... I am me and i am looking at this from my point off view

    Just like everyone else in here
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    Quote Originally Posted by claud3 View Post
    i am not closed minded mate or religious... I am me and i am looking at this from my point off view

    Just like everyone else in here
    And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that! There's also nothing wrong with listening to opposing opinions.
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    Nice!!! A local paper posted the names and addresses of registered handgun owners in NY... douches.

    http://www.lohud.com/interactive/art...-neighborhood-
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