Shootings At Connecticut Elementary School

**F34R** · 12-15-2012

Originally Posted by MATRIX 2

Ok, so you have no argument. All I needed to hear.

Both views contradict each other. Gun control inherently infringes on the second amendment, you can't get around that.

No argument needed. I never said one doesn't infringe on the other. In reality, we already have the 2nd amendment, gasp, and *cough.. gun control. Impossible!!!?? smh

**DayWalker** · 12-15-2012

Originally Posted by F34R

No argument needed. I never said one doesn't infringe on the other. In reality, we already have the 2nd amendment, gasp, and *cough.. gun control. Impossible!!!?? smh

**MATRIX 2** · 12-15-2012

Originally Posted by F34R

No argument needed. I never said one doesn't infringe on the other. In reality, we already have the 2nd amendment, gasp, and *cough.. gun control. Impossible!!!?? smh

When somebody says they are in favor of GC I take it they want more than what already exists as law.

You can't go much further than the current laws without significantly infringing a persons 2nd amendment rights.

**Shibby** · 12-15-2012

Stop. Stop talking about gun control.

We've had this discussion before, and all it is is the same people making the same point, repeating yourself for the sake of repeating yourself. I don't even need to read the last 4 pages to know that is the case.

A week and a half before Christmas, many families had their worlds crushed because of a selfish piece of shit. Focus on that.

**MATRIX 2** · 12-15-2012

Originally Posted by Shibby

Stop. Stop talking about gun control.

We've had this discussion before, and all it is is the same people making the same point, repeating yourself for the sake of repeating yourself. I don't even need to read the last 4 pages to know that is the case.

A week and a half before Christmas, many families had their worlds crushed because of a selfish piece of shit. Focus on that.

I would, but certain groups move to take advantage of such a situation. I react to those efforts.

**Rapture** · 12-15-2012

Originally Posted by MATRIX 2

Ok, so you have no argument. All I needed to hear.

Both views contradict each other. Gun control inherently infringes on the second amendment, you can't get around that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

There's certainly a medium between the two.

Originally Posted by Shibby

We've had this discussion before, and all it is is the same people making the same point, repeating yourself for the sake of repeating yourself. I don't even need to read the last 4 pages to know that is the case.

A week and a half before Christmas, many families had their worlds crushed because of a selfish piece of shit. Focus on that.

Instead you'd rather have us lament rather than discuss the causes and potential solutions to the tragedy that happened? Sorry, but no.

**claud3** · 12-15-2012

The strategy of The amendment will hold and nothing will change

You have to understand, a right is mightier than the decision

**Shibby** · 12-15-2012

Originally Posted by Rapture

Instead you'd rather have us lament rather than discuss the causes and potential solutions to the tragedy that happened? Sorry, but no.

When there's zero progression whatsoever to the discussion and it's just the same ramblings over and over and over again, yes.

**mynd** · 12-15-2012

Originally Posted by Rapture

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

There's certainly a medium between the two.

Instead you'd rather have us lament rather than discuss the causes and potential solutions to the tragedy that happened? Sorry, but no.

Would be nice if you were discussing that, but you are not, you are discussing about limiting the damage this fucked up individual could do. Not what made him so fucked up.

I doubt you will find the fact that America doesn't have gun control being high on the reasons he become an unfeeling, uncaring person with clearly had a lot of hate for his family and society.

**claud3** · 12-15-2012

Life is dust, just brush it to the side,were is life will empty it

**MATRIX 2** · 12-15-2012

Originally Posted by mynd

Would be nice if you were discussing that, but you are not, you are discussing about limiting the damage this fucked up individual could do. Not what made him so fucked up.

I doubt you will find the fact that America doesn't have gun control being high on the reasons he become an unfeeling, uncaring person with clearly had a lot of hate for his family and society.

That's a problem with the media. They have this feeding frenzy to jump on a situation like this and cover it as much as possible to get ratings and push their agenda. Even when there is a lack of facts or the existing facts about the situation are unclear. They will take anything and jump on it to try and get and edge over other networks. And people just eat it up.

You have to address that issue in order to solve the main cause of why people do these things.

**reasonable_doubt** · 12-15-2012

Originally Posted by claud3

Life is dust, just brush it to the side,were is life will empty it

claud3, u worry me sometime with ur post...

**bash** · 12-15-2012

Originally Posted by The Boy From School

I was wrong. Not the same guy.

Reading some of his tweets gave me the impression that it was him.

No, they fucked up and threw the wrong person under the bus. I really hope he sues the fuck out of CNN/Fox/other media outlets. His name and rep is fucked now because they didn't bother to check their sources because blasting false info and fucking up someone's life.

**Shibby** · 12-15-2012

Originally Posted by bash

No, they fucked up and threw the wrong person under the bus. I really hope he sues the fuck out of CNN/Fox/other media outlets. His name and rep is fucked now because they didn't bother to check their sources because blasting false info and fucking up someone's life.

What I don't get is, even if that was the actually person, people giving him shit on twitter.. why? It's not like he would have been able to read it..

**Rapture** · 12-15-2012

Originally Posted by Shibby

When there's zero progression whatsoever to the discussion and it's just the same ramblings over and over and over again, yes.

I wouldn't say there's been zero progression. Some people here are thick-headed and others certainly too prideful in their methods of thinking, but I think every bit of this sort of discussion accomplishes something for people reading.

Originally Posted by mynd

Would be nice if you were discussing that, but you are not, you are discussing about limiting the damage this fucked up individual could do. Not what made him so fucked up.

I doubt you will find the fact that America doesn't have gun control being high on the reasons he become an unfeeling, uncaring person with clearly had a lot of hate for his family and society.

You've either confused me for someone else or very clearly have not read all of my posts. Must I link you here, or here? What about this one? Can this one count, even if it's outside of this thread?

**F34R** · 12-15-2012

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**Shibby** · 12-15-2012

Can anyone clarify the thing about the father? I saw some sources (posted here) that he killed his dad in New Jersey before going to the school. The CNN article I read that they went to question his dad after they questioned the brother, but that's it.

**MATRIX 2** · 12-15-2012

Originally Posted by Shibby

Can anyone clarify the thing about the father? I saw some sources (posted here) that he killed his dad in New Jersey before going to the school. The CNN article I read says that his dad lives in Connecticut and they went to question him after they questioned the brother.

He killed his mom in CT before going to the school. His dad and brother live in NJ and are being questioned by the police.

**Shibby** · 12-15-2012

Ok thanks. Yeah I figured it wouldn't be very likely that he'd have gone down to Jersey from CT, then back up to CT.

**$Greatness$** · 12-15-2012

How could you do that to those babies? But I'm glad he killed himself. His punishment is only beginning. The Lord will claim my vengeance upon this piece of garbage.

My prayers are with the family, friends and associates of the babies and adults who were robbed of their lives today. God bless the families and give them strength.

**Morganator** · 12-15-2012

Originally Posted by MATRIX 2

When somebody says they are in favor of GC I take it they want more than what already exists as law.

You can't go much further than the current laws without significantly infringing a persons 2nd amendment rights.

Actually, any law that puts restrictions, guidelines, limitations, stipulations, protocol, construes to deny or disparage someone's otherwise inalienable rights as is the case with guns, not only infringes on the 2nd amendment, but also infringes on the 4th, 5th, 9th, 10th and 14th Amendments as well. What we need is less regulation and more education from an early age. Actually, if I could, I would like to see gun ownership be compulsory. The more people who are armed, the safer the population actually is. Of course, I cannot stress enough the importance of a proper education.

**mynd** · 12-15-2012

Originally Posted by Rapture

I wouldn't say there's been zero progression. Some people here are thick-headed and others certainly too prideful in their methods of thinking, but I think every bit of this sort of discussion accomplishes something for people reading.

You've either confused me for someone else or very clearly have not read all of my posts. Must I link you here, or here? What about this one? Can this one count, even if it's outside of this thread?

Not convinced you still doing anything there constructive there other than pointing out that its not the gun but the person involved.
People need to move beyond that and discuss what causes a person to have "mental issues" as you put it.

If we continue to sweep the argument as "gun control" vs "The person not the gun" it misses the point entirely.

How on earth in society did this person get the to state of thinking this was a valid option.
Was he isolated?
Was he abused?
Broken family?
etc

They are the questions that need to be asked and answered.

**chrisw26308** · 12-15-2012

I respectfully disagree with everything you just said morgan.

A mind that is sick cannot be educated to not kill.

Im going to bed, will continue this debate in the morning.

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**Rapture** · 12-15-2012

Originally Posted by mynd

Not convinced you still doing anything there constructive there other than pointing out that its not the gun but the person involved.
People need to move beyond that and discuss what causes a person to have "mental issues" as you put it.

My posts being constructive (they're certainly most consecutive than most of the posts in here) wasn't up for debate. You stated that I wasn't focusing on the causes for why this happened, when actually it was the focus of my posts. People do need to realize that it's the cause and not the tool that is the real issue here. All you're doing is emphasizing on the groundwork I laid.

You're initial post towards me and its altering thereafter are simply improper. Why you decided to target me when clearly we're on a similar page is beyond me.

**reasonable_doubt** · 12-15-2012

Originally Posted by mynd

How on earth in society did this person get the to state of thinking this was a valid option.
Was he isolated?
Was he abused?
Broken family?
etc

They are the questions that need to be asked and answered.

his parents are divorce, moms is strict and is a school teacher.
Kid probably though his mom love other kids(her student) more than him. Grow angry, and plan a shooting.

^^but that just my guess from all the info on him.