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    Big budget titles: PS3 vs 360. MS fails making new i.ps profitable outside of Gears

    What's being discussed is titles that generate a profit(big or small) which ultimately decides a sequel/prequel. Please stick to that topic.

    Microsoft's exclusives that received sequels/prequels are gears(new i.p), halo, fable, forza. That's 1 new i.p over a 7 year span. Correct me if I'm wrong. I didn't add alan wake because the 360 didn't make that a profitable series. It only became profitable once they released the PC version.

    Sony's exclusives that received sequels/prequels. Infamous(new i.p.), Killzone, Little big planet(new i.p.), God of War, Resistance(new i.p.), Yakuza, gran turisimo, Uncharted(new i.p.), MLB: The show, Motorstorm(new i.p.), Ratchet & Clank, Heavy Rain(new i.p.). That's 6 new i.ps over a 6 year span. Expand that to 7 years and the list shoots up to 8 i.ps(possibly 10) given that The last of us and Beyond:Two souls are 2013 titles and Gurilla games and Sucker punch are making a new i.p(likely ps4 titles)

    Say what you want about Sony but they have obviously found some kind of success in this area where MS hasn't. MS dropped the ball big time when it comes to this discussed area.

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    Crackdown is a new ip this gen and got a sequel (that flopped). I consider Horizon a new ip (despite using the Forza name)but that game has also flopped so far. So Gears would be the only profitable new ip but the number of new ips period would be 4. AW,Crackdown,Gears and Horizon. 3 out of 4 of those flopped. So yeah to point out Sony for making games "nobody buys" while praising the retail success of 360 exclusives is a bit disingenous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by radgamer420 View Post
    Crackdown is a new ip this gen and got a sequel (that flopped). I consider Horizon a new ip (despite using the Forza name)but that game has also flopped so far. So Gears would be the only profitable new ip but the number of new ips period would be 4. AW,Crackdown,Gears and Horizon. 3 out of 4 of those flopped. So yeah to point out Sony for making games "nobody buys" while praising the retail success of 360 exclusives is a bit disingenous.
    I agree. There is often a lot of cherry picking in those discussions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost-Rhayne View Post
    I agree. There is often a lot of cherry picking in those discussions.
    Agreed. And at the end of the day I enjoy both consoles for what they give me. I win as a gamer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radgamer420 View Post
    Crackdown is a new ip this gen and got a sequel (that flopped). I consider Horizon a new ip (despite using the Forza name)but that game has also flopped so far. So Gears would be the only profitable new ip but the number of new ips period would be 4. AW,Crackdown,Gears and Horizon. 3 out of 4 of those flopped. So yeah to point out Sony for making games "nobody buys" while praising the retail success of 360 exclusives is a bit disingenous.

    Horizon flopped? Didnt realise that....mental....racing games seem to be dying of death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaw3d Genius View Post
    Horizon flopped? Didnt realise that....mental....racing games seem to be dying of death.
    Not really. GT5 has sold 9 million copies worldwide and Forza 4 a few million. Racing games arent going away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by radgamer420 View Post
    Not really. GT5 has sold 9 million copies worldwide and Forza 4 a few million. Racing games arent going away.
    Yeah but that's only 2 games out of about 20-30. On PC they are no longer selling by huge numbers either certainly nothing like they were 6-8 years ago.

    Looking at NFS MW sales that came out a week later it has sold much less than Horizon yet is on PS3, 360 & PC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaw3d Genius View Post
    Yeah but that's only 2 games out of about 20-30. On PC they are no longer selling by huge numbers either certainly nothing like they were 6-8 years ago. Looking at NFS MW sales that came out a week later it has sold much less than Horizon yet is on PS3, 360 & PC.
    Racing games arent going to die out. Developers still make plenty of them. When developers stop making them then I'll buy into your theory.

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    Sony is MUCH more willing to take risks. The 360 has ended up with some good exclusives but even if Sony ones don't sell THAT well, they still seem to give them a good chance

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    Yeah, lets ignore Mass Effect which would have probably have gone nowhere if it wasn't for MS backing bioware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MATRIX 2 View Post
    Yeah, lets ignore Mass Effect which would have probably have gone nowhere if it wasn't for MS backing bioware.
    A valid point and as it turned out ME2 and ME3 hardly sold on PS3 and ME3 sold 4 times as many copies on the 360.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radgamer420 View Post
    A valid point and as it turned out ME2 and ME3 hardly sold on PS3 and ME3 sold 4 times as many copies on the 360.
    To be expected when a game is heavily associated with the other console first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost-Rhayne View Post
    To be expected when a game is heavily associated with the other console first.
    Which really drives home the point Matrix made.

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    I think MS could have made plenty of profitable IPs had it wished. All that was required is abit of risk taking and investment. MS saw that they weren't needed to sell the console however, so opted to invest in things that would appeal to demographics outside of core gaming.

    You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Sony took more shots, so had more hits. Imagine if MS worked on things in the same spirit as TLOU and Beyond; spirit being key word...I mean new IP that is aggressive in its advancement and unique in character i.e not generic 3rd person shooters, FPS etc. I don't get it...MS seemingly has the most fertile soil and it chooses not to sow any seeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost-Rhayne View Post
    I think MS could have made plenty of profitable IPs had it wished. All that was required is abit of risk taking and investment. MS saw that they weren't needed to sell the console however, so opted to invest in things that would appeal to demographics outside of core gaming.

    You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Sony took more shots, so had more hits. Imagine if MS worked on things in the same spirit as TLOU and Beyond; spirit being key word...I mean new IP that is aggressive in its advancement and unique in character i.e not generic 3rd person shooters, FPS etc. I don't get it...MS seemingly has the most fertile soil and it chooses not to sow any seeds.
    Yeah their strategy seems to be to start a generation with strong exclusives which is when its most important and then let 3rd party dominate in the last half when having more exclusives isnt as important. The thing is that MS is sitting on alot of good existing ips but isnt doing anything with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost-Rhayne View Post
    I think MS could have made plenty of profitable IPs had it wished. All that was required is abit of risk taking and investment. MS saw that they weren't needed to sell the console however, so opted to invest in things that would appeal to demographics outside of core gaming.

    You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Sony took more shots, so had more hits. Imagine if MS worked on things in the same spirit as TLOU and Beyond; spirit being key word...I mean new IP that is aggressive in its advancement and unique in character i.e not generic 3rd person shooters, FPS etc. I don't get it...MS seemingly has the most fertile soil and it chooses not to sow any seeds.
    I think you are missing the bigger picture.

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    True but I'd say Sony is definitely lacking on the new IPs this gen also compared to previous gens (wheres all the Sony RPGs this gen? they had a ton of 1P/2P RPGs on the PS1).

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    Where have you all found the info that says which title is profitable? I googled to no avail.

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    I haven't found and solid facts that support the argument in favor of either opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeviousOne View Post
    I haven't found and solid facts that support the argument in favor of either opinion
    And you propably never will because tbh neither side has any solid proof of their argument. We're all just basically speculating here for the most part.

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    I love how Sony takes risks, however, MS doesn't have to take many risks apparently. They're doing well so they don't need it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver_Knight View Post
    I love how Sony takes risks
    Agreed!

    Some of their best games this gen have been games under the radar or games that no one buys

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    Crackdown
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    Not to mention XBLA but this thread is about big budget titles


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    Quote Originally Posted by shingi70 View Post
    Crackdown
    Horizon sub series
    Lost Odyessy
    Blue Dragon
    Alan Wake
    Ninety nine nights
    Ninja blade
    Kinect sports
    Kinect adventure

    Not to mention XBLA but this thread is about big budget titles


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    of course its about big budget tittles, its the only way he could help make his point. a bit like when Sony add PS2 sales to PS3 to make it look better.

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