DF: Orbis unmasked: what to expect from the next-gen PlayStation

[claud3]

explains all

[Kauldron]

not strange. heat/power consumption. they did it in the ps3's RSX by 50mhz, sony just "officially" forgot to tell you about it.

???

RSX wasn't a moble GPU and it was known that they scaled it back.

I see the gaffers are saying that the article is also incorrect in saying that it is a moble GPU. If it is the 7970 instead of the 7970M then that is a big difference.

I can see in downclocking the 7970 but not the 7970M.

[daLa]

Too much hype and speculation, it must be truly close to a reveal.

[Foraeli]

A high-end-like mobile GPU sounds about right. Mobile GPUs are already first and foremost designed to deliver low-watt, powerful graphics performance in devices with tight air flow constrictions, and so it only makes sense.

[J3ff3]

???

RSX wasn't a moble GPU and it was known that they scaled it back.

I see the gaffers are saying that the article is also incorrect in saying that it is a moble GPU. If it is the 7970 instead of the 7970M then that is a big difference.

I can see in downclocking the 7970 but not the 7970M.

sorry, my mistake, you are correct, i just didn't actually read your post properly....!

as far as i know its not a 7970M, its a binned 7870 (which is the same thing i think). let me have a look for the post..... i read it about 15 mins ago

[J3ff3]

fuck sake, i can't find it. give me a sec, it made sense

yeah, basically he must have used a 7970M for comparison. so he must mean its already been underclocked.

*edit: although the 7870-7970M isn't a 6% decrease i don't think.

fuck knows. i've had one too many beers.

[Two4DaMoney]

I'm getting tired of these fucking rumors just as to how sam jackson was tired of those motherf'n snakes on the plane. I want to hear it from the horses mouth and see some damn games already.

[TGO]

sorry, my mistake, you are correct, i just didn't actually read your post properly....!

as far as i know its not a 7970M, its a binned 7870 (which is the same thing i think). let me have a look for the post..... i read it about 15 mins ago

I got a good memory, and you are correct, its a binned 7870 @ 850mhz
With 18 CU instead if 20, which hits the 1.84 Teraflops thing, why Sony did this I don't know
Overheating maybe?
Also DF did refer to it as a 7970M for power consumption comparison reasons


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[brebaz]

How can you say that with confidence? Clock speeds on their own don't mean anything.

Simply Because for AMD CPU Clock speed means everything now days.

Also, if it's indeed an AMD CPU, everyone can say goodbye to BC!

[radgamer420]

I read both are more powerful then each other, I don't think any devs before CES said anything tbh & was all BS rumours, but now we have loads of the same info (though chinese whispered) coming out from CES with a impending announcement, the truth is coming
but we might have a glimpse of what it is here.

^^ Ram numbers are confusing, performance wise read the 720 ram as it, 5gb of performance
PS4 will have double the performance of 4GB of DDR3 Ram so work it out, though MS is said to equal it out with edram.

ok to put it simply, by time 720 off works off 1gb of info PS4 will have finished 3 loads of 1.5 gb, Thats to my understanding of it people are welcome to correct me

4GB of DDR3? The specs you posted said 8GB of DDR3.

[radgamer420]

I guess the performance difference will be pretty much as the ps3/360 difference.


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In other words very little difference.

[TGO]

4GB of DDR3? The specs you posted said 8GB of DDR3.

OS reserved, its 5GB> 3GB reserved for OS
that was just a example
My guess is kinect uses the most of it

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[itachi73378]

Simply Because for AMD CPU Clock speed means everything now days.

Also, if it's indeed an AMD CPU, everyone can say goodbye to BC!

Not so fast grasshopper. The cell may still be included (wishful thinking) in the console. Sony has a huge store with thousands of app/games, why would they make it so that their new products can't use any of it?

[brebaz]

Not so fast grasshopper. The cell may still be included (wishful thinking) in the console. Sony has a huge store with thousands of app/games, why would they make it so that their new products can't use any of it?

Say hello to $600 PS4!! I wouldn't mind it though actually i would love the PS4 even more if they included the Cell.

[itachi73378]

Say hello to $600 PS4!! I wouldn't mind it though actually i would love the PS4 even more if they included the Cell.

Well that doesn't matter since the original ps3 was costing sony ~$840 to make and they were selling for $599. This time their costs are drastically reduced because of a traditional design and no exotic R&D costs. Blu ray is also much cheaper.

It could still happen. If it does, ps4 will be an instant hit, 70 million ps3 users suddenly will have a great reason to own a ps4

[DarkVincent07]

[Nitey]

I hope they get these bitches out at like $399.

[brebaz]

Well some interesting post popped up on NeoGAF

Hey folks. Just got approved and this is my first post!

I hate to be that "guy" that brings more "insider information" to the table(especially since it's my first post and nobody knows if I'm trustworthy), but I will be for right now. I have a friend who is very, very close with Sony. I won't say what he does or who he is, but I can relay what he has told me.

I haven't kept up on this page completely so hopefully I'm bringing some new information. I showed him the rumored leaks from yesterday and he said the only thing they really got right was the RAM. According to him(I don't know tech talk very well so you might understand this better than I) the APU has 4 steamroller cores in it, bandwidth to the GDDR5 is high. Cell runs the show(OS, security, IO, etc.) and also acts as a satellite/accelerator processor for the steamroller cores. APU has access to the XDR in a similar way that RSX does. There is an SCC(Super Companion Chip) inside as well.

The ram is only 3.5gb and is in 3 pools. 2GB GDDR5 for the APU(which is not an A10), 1GB DDR3 for the SCC, and 512mb XDR(for Cell). He said the APU has 256GB/s to the GDDR5, devkits though. There is no cell in the devkit yet, maybe 1st party ones, cell integration needs final silicon.

It will be backwards compatible with PS3 AND PS2. As far as the new controller rumor, he doesn't know much as far as design goes but did say that there is no screen on the controller, however, you can use another device to have that. I assume he's hinting at the vita?

Anyways, that's the info I received. No need to believe it and I'm not saying it is 100% accurate, just going by what I've been told.

Thanks for the welcome everyone. I've waited quite a long time And thanks for the the ban tip. Like I said I'm not saying this is fact, just going by what I've been told by someone who has told me things in the past about Sony that have come true. But I won't relay many things anymore, especially if it's completely opposite of what everyone else is saying. I can see how that can be total BS.

He said a Super Companion Chip is: Cell's peripheral LSI, which houses audo and image interfaces supporting high-speed data transfer capability. The chip also supports a group of interfaces for various systems (video, audio input/output, digital AV interface, IEEE1394, digital tuner interface) and a group of interfaces that make it easier to connect standard input/output devices (standard bus interface, high speed network interface and storage device interface.) It's made by Toshiba.

Also the leaks I showed him weren't the DF one, it was the VG247 leak from the other day.

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This to me seems more believable.

[Nitey]

wouldn't it be stretching it to massively change specs at this point (if it's true that launch window is being aimed at fall '13), what that dude with absolutely no credibility is saying seems rather distant from what we've heard from more reputable sources such as digital foundry and vgleaks. Though at this point all this shit is just rumours so whatever

399 or bust!

[chrisw26308]

Im thinking I read somwthing within the last couple months that stated sony was patenting tech that allows cell to play nice with other processors,.or something like that.

If I did, this would make sense.

Waiting,for mynd, itachi, and the other brains to decipher this.

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[brebaz]

@Nitey

Change what specs exactly? All we know so far are just baseless rumors nothing more.

It would make sense having something that is crazy unbelievable for a Sony console, rather than a custom PC in a box.

[Nitey]

I mean if we were to take the majority of the 'latest' rumours and stack it up against that wild spec from a 1st poster on neogaf then I think I'd be more inclined to believe what digital foundry/vgleak sources are saying

If things have changed into what this 1st poster is saying then I find it hard to believe because how has no one else picked up something similar

Like you said it's all rumours and shit.

[chrisw26308]

I was hoping for x86 arcitecture. Like the vita. Easier to develop for. Sony needs to quit making alien technology with the competition they have.

Bend did an amazing job on uncharted, and its a launch title.

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[itachi73378]

wouldn't it be stretching it to massively change specs at this point

Steamroller has shown up in many previous other reports aswell (first one in fact), people just assumed Sony switched to jaguar like 720 to lower the heat and power consumption. So this seems very plausible. If true, ps4 will be EVEN MORE ahead of the 720.

I was hoping for x86 arcitecture. Like the vita. Easier to develop for. Sony needs to quit making alien technology with the competition they have.

Bend did an amazing job on uncharted, and its a launch title.

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That's the thing, Sony has learned not to put out alien tech. Vita is the proof. Going with AMD for both CPU and GPU is the best they could do. The memory divisions also make sense

Im thinking I read somwthing within the last couple months that stated sony was patenting tech that allows cell to play nice with other processors,.or something like that.

I also read something about the cell being shrunk to 22nm
Anyway, news that cell will return with BC has me grinning ear to ear

for non tech savy people here are dbz cell saga comparisons:
Wii U = Picollo (kami fusion)
Durango = Vegeta (cell games)
Orbis = Goku (cell games)

[J3ff3]

OS reserved, its 5GB> 3GB reserved for OS
that was just a example
My guess is kinect uses the most of it

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or kinect + multitasking. no need to quit a game to do shit.