Another Day another 'report'; Orbis Specs

[J3ff3]

so each cell in the ps4 will be free?

no?

so it costs money then. i'd rather that money be spent elsewhere.

you're welcome to want BC. but don't say its a win/win for all consumers. because its not for a large number who just don't care and would rather the console was cheaper or had a different feature.

[Lefein]

so each cell in the ps4 will be free?

no?

so it costs money then. i'd rather that money be spent elsewhere.

you're welcome to want BC. but don't say its a win/win for all consumers. because its not for a large number who just don't care and would rather the console was cheaper or had a different feature.

I actually agree with you on this. I do wonder if they will offer, at least during launch year, a version with BC for a premium price.

[J3ff3]

I actually agree with you on this. I do wonder if they will offer, at least during launch year, a version with BC for a premium price.

i didn't know we were always at odds!

[MonkeyClaw]

I think it was to allow switching between different architecture GPUs. This led to some credibility to the APU + GPU reports but now I don't really know

Watch they used the A10 APU, carved out the integrated 7660D and in its place put the Cell BE and RSX in there!

[Lefein]

i didn't know we were always at odds!

No, didn't mean it like that. I was a huge proponent of B/C at the onset of the current generation. As time has gone on, I realized that I hardly ever use the B/C in my original fatty at all. It probably cost Sony a pretty penny to design a motherboard and cool that Emotion Engine I never use. In hindsight, I don't see B/C as a critical function of a console, especially if the trade-off at the design phase is sacrificing more RAM or something else that could help make games run better.

[chrisw26308]

No, didn't mean it like that. I was a huge proponent of B/C at the onset of the current generation. As time has gone on, I realized that I hardly ever use the B/C in my original fatty at all. It probably cost Sony a pretty penny to design a motherboard and cool that Emotion Engine I never use. In hindsight, I don't see B/C as a critical function of a console, especially if the trade-off at the design phase is sacrificing more RAM or something else that could help make games run better.

I dont want or use it. I have not played a ps2 game since the 3 came out.

Others do though and what sony spends on putting it in they can recoup from sales from the psn backward compat games.

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[MonkeyClaw]

I dont want or use it. I have not played a ps2 game since the 3 came out.

Others do though and what sony spends on putting it in they can recoup from sales from the psn backward compat games.

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The only time I have ever put a PS1/PS2 game in my PS3 was to look back on how dated the graphics were, never played any old games regularly to warranty BC in the system.

[J3ff3]

No, didn't mean it like that. I was a huge proponent of B/C at the onset of the current generation. As time has gone on, I realized that I hardly ever use the B/C in my original fatty at all. It probably cost Sony a pretty penny to design a motherboard and cool that Emotion Engine I never use. In hindsight, I don't see B/C as a critical function of a console, especially if the trade-off at the design phase is sacrificing more RAM or something else that could help make games run better.

heh i know. i was just joking.

[itachi73378]

http://www.vgleaks.com/orbis-devkits-roadmaptypes/

Currently, there are 3 types of devkits:

1) R10 boards with special BIOS, running in generic PC’s

2) “Initial 1″ — Early devkit

model number: DVKT-KS000K
SCE-provided PC equipped with R10XX board
Runs Orbis OS
Available July 2012

3) SoC Based Devkit: early version of the ORBIS hardware

Available January 2013

R10 Board (with special BIOS) assemble in a Generic PC

Requires Windows 7 64 bit edition
Recommend
Sandy Bridge (Intel) or Bulldozer (AMD)
Minimum 8 GB RAM (system memory)
650 Watt PSU
VS2010 SP1
DWM (Desktop Windows Manager) must be turned off
Application will use Windows services for everything except GPU interface
SCE will provide “Gnm”, a custom GPU interface

Quote:
Do you remember the first Durango’s pictures? This is a very early devkit based on Windows.


DVKT-KS000K (“Initial 1″)

Runs Orbis OS
CPU: Bulldozer 8-core, 1.6 Ghz
Graphics Card: R10 with special BIOS
RAM: 8 GB (system memory)
BD Drive
HDD: 2.5 ” 160 GB
Network Controller
Custom South Bridge allows access to controller prototypes



Quote:
SoC Based Devkit

Available January 2013
CPU: 8-core Jaguar
GPU: Liverpool GPU
RAM: unified 8 GB for devkit (4 GB for the retail console)
Subsystem: HDD, Network Controller, BD Drive, Bluetooth Controller, WLAN and HDMI (up to 1980×1080@3D)
Analog Outputs: Audio, Composite Video
Connection to Host: USB 3.0 (targeting over 200 MB/s),
ORBIS Dualshock
Dual Camera

The last devkit is the closer one to the retail console. Expect a machine with these specs or similar to these ones. Obviously, Sony could introduce changes in this features, but don’t expect deep mods.

[coolguy]

these specs are for the dev kit the final ps4 wont have 8 gigs of ram i wish it did but it wont

[itachi73378]

these specs are for the dev kit the final ps4 wont have 8 gigs of ram i wish it did but it wont

obviously. 8gb of GDDR5 will make it a $600 console all over again

[mynd]

So...wait a minute... haven't we just come full circle with these rumors?
Bloody hell.

[MonkeyClaw]

So...wait a minute... haven't we just come full circle with these rumors?
Bloody hell.

Didn't you know the hype train runs in a circle!

[itachi73378]

So...wait a minute... haven't we just come full circle with these rumors?
Bloody hell.

Yes we have. atleast now we have confirmation where all the different reports were originating from. Some insiders only had info of the first dev kits, some had dirt on the second iteration etc

[Lefein]

these specs are for the dev kit the final ps4 wont have 8 gigs of ram i wish it did but it wont

Actually, there are dev kits with 16GB of RAM.

[MonkeyClaw]

Actually, there are dev kits with 16GB of RAM.

I thought I remember reading that the July '12 dev kits had 16GB as well, but then again those are all rumor based info as well.

[J3ff3]

I thought I remember reading that the July '12 dev kits had 16GB as well, but then again those are all rumor based info as well.

probably 16gig of ddr. think that would work out in terms of 'gig' per frame. don't really understand it that well, but bandwith wise 8gig of ddr ram works out at 1gig per frame (appparently), so 16 gig of ddr in a dev kit would match the bandwidth requirements of 2 gig GDDR that they were aiming for. (so 2gig/frame for the dev kit, and 1.5 for 2gig GDDR)

disclaimer: i'm making most of this up by the way.

[itachi73378]

probably 16gig of ddr. think that would work out in terms of 'gig' per frame. don't really understand it that well, but bandwith wise 8gig of ddr ram works out at 1gig per frame (appparently), so 16 gig of ddr in a dev kit would match the bandwidth requirements of 2 gig GDDR that they were aiming for. (so 2gig/frame for the dev kit, and 1.5 for 2gig GDDR)

disclaimer: i'm making most of this up by the way.

Memory size has no affect on how much GB/frame you get. Your frame rate and bandwidth control that so I highly doubt that 16gb was to make up for 2gb bandwidth in final version. That much ram could be for all sorts of crazy dev tools. Alpha kits ran MS visual studio with win 7 so that could have used a lot of ram

[J3ff3]

Memory size has no affect on how much GB/frame you get. Your frame rate and bandwidth control that so I highly doubt that 16gb was to make up for 2gb bandwidth in final version. That much ram could be for all sorts of crazy dev tools. Alpha kits ran MS visual studio with win 7 so that could have used a lot of ram

as i said, i know very little about it. just that 8gigs in durango = 1gig per frame, 4gigs gddr in orbis = 3 gigs per frame. if sony wanted to replicate what two gigs of gddr would have for an early dev kit.........

no doubt well wide of the mark, but 16 gigs gddr for a dev kit sounds very unlikely

[itachi73378]

as i said, i know very little about it. just that 8gigs in durango = 1gig per frame, 4gigs gddr in orbis = 3 gigs per frame. if sony wanted to replicate what two gigs of gddr would have for an early dev kit.........

no doubt well wide of the mark, but 16 gigs gddr for a dev kit sounds very unlikely

I've heard that now there's no need for double the RAM in dev kits because the tools are very efficient when it comes to memory.

[mynd]

I've heard that now there's no need for double the RAM in dev kits because the tools are very efficient when it comes to memory.

There is a lot of overhead in developing and debugging. For example imagine you wanted to snap shot the system as something happens, or recored variables values at run time. Trust me, you need double the
Memory.

[itachi73378]

Latest VGleaks article just went up
Absolutely NOTHING new

[LfCpS3]

Latest VGleaks article just went up
Absolutely NOTHING new

Well the one SKU is something.

at 500 gb, which is cool.