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    you should've said that the first time around claud.

    the only addition i'd make to the argument is that local actors have some say in at least moderating disputes.

    in this case it should NOT be the US telling Korea how things are, given that there have been tensions since the korean war and ww2.

    the US does have a habit of acting unanimously, and even in the face of the ICJ, who have often branded them agressors. i'm reasonably sure they've gone as far as to claim they have, on several occassions, fulfilled the definition of international terrorist.

    but isn't that always the way with a hegemon? look at the british. when dominating you naturally have more to protect. the powerful always slide back down because you inherently have to spread your power wide. the only exception in terms of 'stamping authority' seems like it may potentially be china, they have a very unique way of investing and dealing with other nations. its certainly quite removed from neoliberalism.
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    I see it completely different as you and i agree i should have said that at the get go

    Never thought of it at the time
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybertox View Post
    Seems like North Korea doesnt understand the consequences which may occur.
    They understand more than you will every know mate... They know what they are doing and getting the right reactions to their actions
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    Quote Originally Posted by claud3 View Post
    They understand more than you will every know mate... They know what they are doing and getting the right reactions to their actions
    Yeah, it's just BS. N.K. isn't planning on bombing anyone.
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    Man they were never going to any ways.... People and countries cry wolf all the time over this bull$#@!
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    Looks like NK is at it again.



    North Korea on Thursday vowed to launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike against the United States, amplifying its threatening rhetoric hours ahead of a vote by U.N. diplomats on whether to level new sanctions against Pyongyang for its recent nuclear test.

    An unidentified spokesman for Pyongyang's Foreign Ministry said the North will exercise its right for "a preemptive nuclear attack to destroy the strongholds of the aggressors" because Washington is pushing to start a nuclear war against the North.

    Although North Korea boasts of nuclear bombs and pre-emptive strikes, it is not thought to have mastered the ability to produce a warhead small enough to put on a missile capable of reaching the U.S. It is believed to have enough nuclear fuel, however, for several crude nuclear devices.

    Such inflammatory rhetoric is common from North Korea, and especially so in recent days. North Korea is angry over the possible sanctions and over upcoming U.S.-South Korean military drills. At a mass rally in Pyongyang on Thursday, tens of thousands of North Koreans protested the U.S.-South Korean war drills and sanctions.

    The U.N. Security Council is set to impose a fourth round of sanctions against Pyongyang in a fresh attempt to rein in its nuclear and ballistic missile programs.

    Russia's U.N. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin, the current council president, said the council will vote on the draft sanctions resolution Thursday morning.

    The resolution was drafted by the United States and China, North Korea's closest ally. The council's agreement to put the resolution to a vote just 48 hours later signaled that it would almost certainly have the support of all 15 council members.

    The statement by the North Korean Foreign Ministry spokesman was carried by the North's official Korean Central News Agency.

    It accused the U.S. of leading efforts to slap sanctions on North Korea. The statement said the new sanctions would only advance the timing for North Korea to fulfill previous vows to take "powerful second and third countermeasures" against its enemies. It hasn't elaborated on those measures.

    The statement said North Korea "strongly warns the U.N. Security Council not to make another big blunder like the one in the past when it earned the inveterate grudge of the Korean nation by acting as a war servant for the U.S. in 1950."

    North Korea demanded the U.N. Security Council immediately dismantle the American-led U.N. Command that's based in Seoul and move to end the state of war that exists on the Korean Peninsula, which continues six decades after fighting stopped because an armistice, not a peace treaty, ended the war.

    In anticipation of the resolution's adoption, North Korea earlier in the week threatened to cancel the 1953 cease-fire that ended the Korean War.

    North Korean threats have become more common as tensions have escalated following a rocket launch by Pyongyang in December and its third nuclear test on Feb. 12. Both acts defied three Security Council resolutions that bar North Korea from testing or using nuclear or ballistic missile technology and from importing or exporting material for these programs.

    U.S. U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice said the proposed resolution, to be voted on at 10 a.m. EST (1500 GMT), would impose some of the strongest sanctions ever ordered by the United Nations.

    The final version of the draft resolution, released Wednesday, identified three individuals, one corporation and one organization that would be added to the U.N. sanctions list if the measure is approved.

    The targets include top officials at a company that is the country's primary arms dealer and main exporter of ballistic missile-related equipment, and a national organization responsible for research and development of missiles and probably nuclear weapons.

    The success of a new round of sanctions could depend on enforcement by China, where most of the companies and banks that North Korea is believed to work with are based.

    The United States and other nations worry that North Korea's third nuclear test pushed it closer to its goal of gaining nuclear missiles that can reach the U.S. The international community has condemned the regime's nuclear and missile efforts as threats to regional security and a drain on the resources that could go to North Korea's largely destitute people.

    The draft resolution condemns the latest nuclear test "in the strongest terms" for violating and flagrantly disregarding council resolutions, bans further ballistic missile launches, nuclear tests "or any other provocation," and demands that North Korea return to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. It also condemns all of North Korea's ongoing nuclear activities, including its uranium enrichment.

    But the proposed resolution stresses the council's commitment "to a peaceful, diplomatic and political solution" and urged a resumption of six-party talks with the aim of denuclearizing the Korean Peninsula "in a peaceful manner."

    The proposed resolution would make it significantly harder for North Korea to move around the funds it needs to carry out its illicit programs and strengthen existing sanctions and the inspection of suspect cargo bound to and from the country. It would also ban countries from exporting specific luxury goods to the North, including yachts, luxury automobiles, racing cars, and jewelry with semi-precious and precious stones and precious metals.

    According to the draft, all countries would now be required to freeze financial transactions or services that could contribute to North Korea's nuclear or missile programs.

    To get around financial sanctions, North Koreans have been carrying around large suitcases filled with cash to move illicit funds. The draft resolution expresses concern that these bulk cash transfers may be used to evade sanctions. It clarifies that the freeze on financial transactions and services that could violate sanctions applies to all cash transfers as well as the cash couriers.

    The proposed resolution also bans all countries from providing public financial support for trade deals, such as granting export credits, guarantees or insurance, if the assistance could contribute to the North's nuclear or missile programs.

    It includes what a senior diplomat called unprecedented new travel sanctions that would require countries to expel agents working for sanctioned North Korean companies.

    The draft also requires states to inspect suspect cargo on their territory and prevent any vessel that refuses an inspection from entering their ports. And a new aviation measure calls on states to deny aircraft permission to take off, land or fly over their territory if illicit cargo is suspected to be aboard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by claud3 View Post
    i am not hating the U.S people and people dying is what i fear will happen... But every country on this planet has the right to do things their own way

    Simple as.... The WORLD WARS were different, they were based on actually invasions of nations and capital civil extinction

    The wars now are not the same as the past wars... The wars now are off we run the world and therefore you can not do that and do this

    North Korea, Iran, China, India, Liyba, Mali etc... Have the right to develope anything they want and that includes Nukes, missiles, weapons, full armies and squash their people in anyway they see fit

    The U.S, English, French, Russia and Japan have been squashing their people for hundreds of years and killing their own kind and building Nukes, weapons, armies and invading nations

    And yet have never ever been held for their actions and one or two nations now aka N.Korea and Iran do the same thing and they are not allowed

    How dare any nation tell another how they should run their country

    One problem with your theory.

    What you are saying is that international treaties and international law, as well as the UN don't mean a thing.

    North Korea, Iran, etc... signed the UN Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty assuring that they would NOT develop these types of weapons. Are you suggesting that UN treaties mean nothing and should not be enforced?

    If not, then the Geneva Conventions could also be tossed in the trash, right? As well as treaties forbidding genocide. Genocide would be acceptable if the country wants it, because it's just doing as it pleases.

    In fact you could toss the whole UN in the rubbish bin since nothing they say or do would matter because every country has the right to do as it pleases regardless of the existence of international treaties.

    Is that really what you believe?

    Keep in mind that ALL international trade regulations are made and enforced by similar treaties and the UK is a net importer of food which means it could be starved out of existence. For instance, if the UK were to resist EU authority, all EU countries could simply blockade trade with the UK. If you don't hand over the Falklands to Argentina then all of South and Central America could blockade you as well. Russia and China could conspire with the Middle East to blockade your fuel supplies. These things, these sources of supplies and income for the UK are only kept in place by treaties.
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    I don't get how North Korea could possibly think to threaten anyone.

    Last time I checked they were pretty much hated by everyone (except for that pseudo agreement with China) so if they were to attack America it wouldn't take longer than a day for NK to be wiped out of the world map...



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    I don't get why we don't just take out all the World Dictators & any who treat their people like Dirt, I think don't anyone would bat an Eyelid if we woke up tomorrow to the news of Kim Jun Idiot being Assassinated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John25 View Post
    I don't get why we don't just take out all the World Dictators & any who treat their people like Dirt, I think don't anyone would bat an Eyelid if we woke up tomorrow to the news of Kim Jun Idiot being Assassinated.
    Well, go right ahead then!

    No? Um, $#@!...



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    More like the nuke f**ks up and hits the UK on the way.

    Anyway why are north korea testing nukes are they the only ones testing nukes right now, i think they going to try something bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John25 View Post
    I don't get why we don't just take out all the World Dictators & any who treat their people like Dirt, I think don't anyone would bat an Eyelid if we woke up tomorrow to the news of Kim Jun Idiot being Assassinated.
    Because it's an international issue. Mutually nations agree on their respective sovereignty. You can't just invade another country now and expect to get away with it. Well, not unless you're the global hegemon like the United States, which was the only reason everyone had to sit back and let us invade the Middle East. Regardless, you can't do this because it's a violation of nation rights, proving the mutual agreement redundant and compromising global safety. It also upsets the balance in that region, which is something China has been trying to avoid.

    IGOs (International Government Organizations) will typically try to intervene where they can, but it usually has to be done so in a peaceful manner and it requires the consent of the country in question. Cuts in trade to that country can be applied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeviousOne View Post
    Again??
    Yep. Every statement made by them, have been just threats. Nothing more. NK knows it's suicide going up against us. Their trying to buy so they can come up with idea that won't make them look like pussies.
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    that guy is a nutcase is all. He's going to always make empty threats but the USA should take it seriously. If anything from there is launched, even if it's a practice missile, I say bomb the $#@! out of them.


    I remember my grandfather would always say, "oh that guy is just a fuddy dud" or "ooooh, he's just a nut". with Saddam H. and others.

    The last missile that I remember being tested didn't even reach the USA. Even their own people are trying to escape North Korea. They've even killed Soldiers trying to escape. The place is pure evil, only a $#@!wad would kill family members of the guy that escaped. I think China is keeping them around for the entertainment.
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    nah, what I think will happen is that China will supply them with weapons but at the same time they will stand back. Once the USA tramples over North Korea, China will jump in and take over and North Korea will become china, kim jung un wont be running $#@! and everyone in North Korea will be under Chinese law which is by far better compared to North Korea law.

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