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    PS4 and Xbox 720 what the next gen means for console exclusives


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    Ummm, I can assure you if one console sells a lot more the other will be missing a few 3rd party games
    The problem with this gen is the userbase was so big on both to ignore
    Xbox had sold well at the beginning and PlayStation was well...PlayStation
    and both ended up with a large userbase
    So money pay outs was the only option for exclusiveness and may continue next gen too
    The chance of more profit is always gonna be there and I say chance because multiplating does not always double your returns
    Some benefit strangely from being exclusive because it builds exclusiveness hype & some don't
    I can't say for sure what nextgen will be like but what I do know is Sony has team of talented developers who will make games just for PlayStation and some of my favorites are in that stable too so I'll be happy with them and the 3rd party stuff too, exclusive or not

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    Yeah I agree with ya TGO. And Sony has enough 1st party developers to ensure plenty of PS4 exclusives and therefore not having to be as reliant on 3rd party deals. MS has opened some 1st party studios but I have to wonder how many of them will actually produce core games as opposed to Kinect and low budget XBLA games.

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    If the PS4 development process was anything like the Vita development process, SOny has been in talks with 1st and 3rd party devs to make sure the hardware is good. Sony has a lot of momentum in the exclusive department, with several new IPs coming still. MS needs to pull a finger out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost-Rhayne View Post
    If the PS4 development process was anything like the Vita development process, SOny has been in talks with 1st and 3rd party devs to make sure the hardware is good. Sony has a lot of momentum in the exclusive department, with several new IPs coming still. MS needs to pull a finger out.
    Indeed, Sony is said to be very close to 3rd party's this time and thats what bought them loyalty with the PSX, if Sony is using the same strategy they did with the original PlayStation
    MS better pull their finger out

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    A lot of it is going to come down (at the start of the gen anyway) as to how far along the respective development paths each are.

    There may well be third party "next gen" exclusives. Splinter Cell is one game I would not at all be surprised to find on Xbox360, PS3 and 720 for example.

    Same goes for something like MGS: Ground Zeros or GTA V.

    People quickly seem to forget the first Xbox 720 dev kits hit somewhere around Dec 11. With initial ones as far back as July.
    Compared to Sony's first in Nov 12.

    They have had a whole year of extra dev time which could well translate to a slew of initially exclusive releases.
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    No, Mynd. Your Nov 12' rumor is when it was said that Sony beefed up the dev kits. Not when devs finally got their hands on kits for the first time. Ps4 kits have been in 3rd party hands since early 2012. Sony 1st party had target specs dating back to sept 2011.

    Anyways, I agree with you guys up top. I can't see there being any exclusives unless Sony or MS are paying for them. These next gen consoles are more alike than the ps3 and 360 were. It would be stupid to not support both consoles.

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    - Team Rain - making Rain
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    i'm sure the song will remain the same.

    they will show updates of there present exclusives and some new exclusive IP along with any timed exclusives they've acquired.

    unlike previous gens though, where they introduced the hardware and i bought it, this time an added decision will be on the investment I have in this gens consoles.

    with an on-line presence being tied heavily into a console, is the time i've put into say gamerscore and achievements/trophy's really something i'll pass on by going with a console that does not allow me to move that investment over?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    A lot of it is going to come down (at the start of the gen anyway) as to how far along the respective development paths each are. There may well be third party "next gen" exclusives. Splinter Cell is one game I would not at all be surprised to find on Xbox360, PS3 and 720 for example. Same goes for something like MGS: Ground Zeros or GTA V. People quickly seem to forget the first Xbox 720 dev kits hit somewhere around Dec 11. With initial ones as far back as July. Compared to Sony's first in Nov 12. They have had a whole year of extra dev time which could well translate to a slew of initially exclusive releases.
    The key phrase here being "initially" exclusive releases. Meaning those games will make their way to the PS4 anyway and could possibly have all the DLC up to that time that 720 gamers paid for be included for free on the PS4 version much like ME 2.

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    not much, because we do not really know what's what yet


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    Quote Originally Posted by Two4DaMoney View Post
    No, Mynd. Your Nov 12' rumor is when it was said that Sony beefed up the dev kits. Not when devs finally got their hands on kits for the first time. Ps4 kits have been in 3rd party hands since early 2012. Sony 1st party had target specs dating back to sept 2011.
    Well if that is true (who knows these are all ruomours), then that would still put them 6 months behind. Then again if the PS4 is more PC like, it may well not need those 6 months extra leanring time...lord knows.
    I still think there will be some timed releases on both sides.

    Quote Originally Posted by radgamer420 View Post
    The key phrase here being "initially" exclusive releases. Meaning those games will make their way to the PS4 anyway and could possibly have all the DLC up to that time that 720 gamers paid for be included for free on the PS4 version much like ME 2.
    Yup exactly.
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    I think it's safe to say Sony will once again blow the industry away with cutting edge exclusives on the PS4.

    As far as the 720 goes? Let's hope Microsoft has a plan because the last few years of the 360 have been dreadful in the exclusives department.


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    it's safe to say that i am the only one that is not buying into this

    I am the only one actually going " well i am right and the others are sort of "


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    Quote Originally Posted by claud3 View Post
    it's safe to say that i am the only one that is not buying into this I am the only one actually going " well i am right and the others are sort of "
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBlY53fgN-k
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    Quote Originally Posted by claud3 View Post
    it's safe to say that i am the only one that is not buying into this

    I am the only one actually going " well i am right and the others are sort of "
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    Once again, Claud3 says something no one else understands.

    I'll join in with the videos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boybettaknow View Post
    once again, claud3 says something no one else understands.

    I'll join in with the videos.

    lol bollocks!
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    well, if the rumours are right, PS4 is going to have the far better looking exclusives (if not better games) and multi-plats.

    but if they stick with the quite frankly... poor game pad stick positions. then count me out.

    pad_zps486861b5.jpghas to be......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yungstar 2006 View Post
    well, if the rumours are right, PS4 is going to have the far better looking exclusives (if not better games) and multi-plats.

    but if they switch to the 360's quite frankly... poor game pad stick positions. then count me out.

    pad_zps486861b5.jpgplease for the love of god no......
    Fixed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yungstar 2006 View Post
    well, if the rumours are right, PS4 is going to have the far better looking exclusives (if not better games) and multi-plats. but if they stick with the quite frankly... poor game pad stick positions. then count me out. pad_zps486861b5.jpghas to be......
    lol

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    Don't forget, developers are going to have a slightly tougher time getting the "wizard ****" out of the 720's GPU due to the EDRam compared to the more straightforward GPU access to GDDR5 in the PS4. There will also be more compute units dedicated to physics and animation that won't cut away from CUs for graphics.

    It's going to be interesting to say the least. I think MS will make good tools to make use of the tech, obviously. If the PS4 starts running away with a victory, though, you may see developers simply not bother.. Then, that DDr3 is going to start looking awfully dated awfully fast.

    I guess that was more geared for multiplatform games than exclusives.
    Who would have thought building a solid product that serves your customer's needs would beat out money, marketing, hype, and greed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefein View Post
    Don't forget, developers are going to have a slightly tougher time getting the "wizard ****" out of the 720's GPU due to the EDRam compared to the more straightforward GPU access to GDDR5 in the PS4. There will also be more compute units dedicated to physics and animation that won't cut away from CUs for graphics.
    You'd simply going to have it set up as a render target, or it may be simply set up as a memory pool option.
    Piss easy.
    That rumor that is stating you can read texture fetches directly from ESRAM, would mean it would easily keep pace with any sort of post processing or deferred rendering assembly. Its not brute force, but again, as in last gen there are certian situations where each is going to have strenghts.
    It's going to be interesting to say the least. I think MS will make good tools to make use of the tech, obviously. If the PS4 starts running away with a victory, though, you may see developers simply not bother.. Then, that DDr3 is going to start looking awfully dated awfully fast. I guess that was more geared for multiplatform games than exclusives.
    DDR3 already looks dated and insane.

    Given we know little about final chip silicon, and given what we know is from SDK kits. And tie that into the fact that MS knows that CPU memory can be less than GPU memory (lets face that's what hobbled the PS3 with ports), I am still skeptical DDR3 is going to be in the final specs, or at the very least supplemented.
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    While i will be ok with a bigger controller and really do want better triggers I will be annoyed if SONY changed the analog position, i prefer how it is.

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