PGR Rumored to be a launch title for next xbox.

**The Sith** · 02-06-2013

http://www.xbox360achievements.org/author/lee-bradley/

The next-gen rumour machine rumbles on. This time word on the street is that Project Gotham Racing 5 is being lined up as an Xbox 720 launch title.

The PGR series has been dormant since the well-received fourth instalment in 2007. Its developer, Bizarre Creations, was closed in 2011.

Project Gotham Racing 5 is being developed by Lucid Games, a studio formed of ex-Bizarre Creations and Criterion staff, say the rumours.

As ever, these rumours should be treated with a grain of salt. They come from*STFUandPlay,*a relatively unknown site that we wouldn't have touched had it not been for confirmation by respected Polygon writer Arthur Gies.

Hold fire for an official announcement.

And in the meantime, what do we think? Are you excited by the prospect of PGR’s return? Let us know.

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**Sub-stance1** · 02-06-2013

This is one rumor that I hope turns out to be true.

**radgamer420** · 02-06-2013

The combination of ex-Bizarre Creations guys being scooped up by Evolution Studios plus the game being built off existing PGR code rather than a brand new next gen engine has me not as excited about this PGR as I would've been otherwise. I'm more excited about what Evolution Studios has got coming for PS4. http://www.psu.com/forums/showthread...-Racers-Leaked

**claud3** · 02-06-2013

this was coming i guess and MS thought it would make sense to launch this on the XBOX 720

**radgamer420** · 02-07-2013

Yeah it seems like MS just keeps doing the same thing. Instead of new ips we're hearing about Halo 5 and PGR 5. PGR is a good series but it seems to be a launch title for every Xbox. You would think for a new console launch that MS would bring out something new and fresh like Sony does but instead it seems like theyre sticking to the same old playbook.

**The Sith** · 02-07-2013

Originally Posted by radgamer420

Yeah it seems like MS just keeps doing the same thing. Instead of new ips we're hearing about Halo 5 and PGR 5. PGR is a good series but it seems to be a launch title for every Xbox. You would think for a new console launch that MS would bring out something new and fresh like Sony does but instead it seems like theyre sticking to the same old playbook.

Well projepct Destiny is a new iP from Bungie and will be a launch title......as for doing the same old stuff over and Over Sony has Uncharted 4 Killzone 4 and Gt 6 all possible launch titles.
MS also has a new studio name Black Tusk which will havea brand new IP.

**Nitey** · 02-07-2013

Originally Posted by The Sith

Well projepct Destiny is a new iP from Bungie and will be a launch title......as for doing the same old stuff over and Over Sony has Uncharted 4 Killzone 4 and Gt 6 all possible launch titles.
MS also has a new studio name Black Tusk which will havea brand new IP.

Lol this is all speculation for the sake of it?

It is well known that Guerilla are working on something besides KZ4, we have no idea what ND are doing and if we were to base it off past platforms they start new IPs on new home consoles (though many would not mind UC4).

What's the problem with the next Gran Turismo? Trust me, there is no franchise fatigue there for that audience - that is THE one ip that should not be dropped

You bang on in other threads about BS rumours and stuff that has yet to be confirmed yet when it suits you you pull out things like the above. Let's just wait and see

**Sub-stance1** · 02-07-2013

Originally Posted by The Sith

Well projepct Destiny is a new iP from Bungie and will be a launch title......as for doing the same old stuff over and Over Sony has Uncharted 4 Killzone 4 and Gt 6 all possible launch titles.
MS also has a new studio name Black Tusk which will havea brand new IP.

Actually they have 4 brand new IPs they are working on.

http://www.shacknews.com/article/776...-microsoft-ips

**J3ff3** · 02-07-2013

don't get me wrong, i think the recent halo and forza have been fucking great titles. much better than both the latest killzone and GT5. i have each of them.

but MS has something to prove with regards IPs.

sony does not.

**Two4DaMoney** · 02-08-2013

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

Actually they have 4 brand new IPs they are working on.

http://www.shacknews.com/article/776...-microsoft-ips

all kinect titles

**radgamer420** · 02-07-2013

Originally Posted by The Sith

Well projepct Destiny is a new iP from Bungie and will be a launch title......as for doing the same old stuff over and Over Sony has Uncharted 4 Killzone 4 and Gt 6 all possible launch titles. MS also has a new studio name Black Tusk which will havea brand new IP.

Well when was the last time MS made a new IP? Sony is still making new IPs even at the end of this generation. And we dont know what GG is working other than one is a new IP. And we also dont know what ND is working on. As for Black Tusk who knows if those titles are Kinect games or not. I seriously doubt those 4 IPs that Substance mentioned are going to all be high budget core titles. If Kinect is included with every 720 then you can be sure thats where their focus is going to be.

**Sub-stance1** · 02-07-2013

Originally Posted by radgamer420

Well when was the last time MS made a new IP? Sony is still making new IPs even at the end of this generation. And we dont know what GG is working other than one is a new IP. And we also dont know what ND is working on. As for Black Tusk who knows if those titles are Kinect games or not. I seriously doubt those 4 IPs that Substance mentioned are going to all be high budget core titles. If Kinect is included with every 720 then you can be sure thats where their focus is going to be.

I highly doubt that all 4 will be Kinect only titles. One is rumored to be on the scale of the Halo series. After researching i found that they have more studios than I thought. It's possible that 343 could be working on something too being that they are a 2 team studio. I think they just basically saved all the new stuff for xbox720. My guess is that they will have quite a few surprises for the console launch and that includes arcade titles too.

**Flaw3d Genius** · 02-07-2013

Originally Posted by radgamer420

Yeah it seems like MS just keeps doing the same thing. Instead of new ips we're hearing about Halo 5 and PGR 5.

That's more than fine by me! Love Halo but especially loved PGR. We got Forza Horizon...how many new IP racing games do we need from MS?

**The Sith** · 02-07-2013

@nitey back at ya you do the same thing you're no better. As for my comment to Rad its just an example of his statement.

**radgamer420** · 02-07-2013

Originally Posted by Flaw3d Genius

That's more than fine by me! Love Halo but especially loved PGR. We got Forza Horizon...how many new IP racing games do we need from MS?

I was referring to new ips period. I didnt say anything about making new racing ips.

**Nitey** · 02-07-2013

I don't do the same o_O. If I did I wouldn't point out the fact that you do.

**J3ff3** · 02-07-2013

you'll never know until its made. it could be fantastic.

**J3ff3** · 02-07-2013

halo's had enough to keep it fresh imo. gears has not for me. i was disappointed with both 2 and 3. i'm not even going to bother from now on.

**J3ff3** · 02-08-2013

examples

you said MS do a better job of covering ALL areas. you also said 'they know their audience', and provide better than sony.

where as in reality MS has slightly pissed off the core to cater to the casual.

i wouldn't claim that's being better in 'all' areas, or 'knowing your audience'.

quite the opposite in fact. they've chased a different audience. if they knew their audience and were better in all areas, they wouldn't have the stigma attached to them going into this gen that they do. they've just traded one focus (new ips, new core offereings) for another (casual, kinect based games) whilst maintaining a core of popular offerings.

now i still love halo and forza, but gears bores me. what really are my options year on year? sony doesn't really provide me with much more at all, i think uncharted is fucking boring, with pretty poor controls that (at least in the first game) smacked of gears controls, killzone - its ok, i liked it for a bit - the list goes on.

but the point is sony can't be accussed of not trying hard enough. far from it. there's always something for people to be genuinely excited for. you throw enough mud, some sticks. for me its GoW. and i'm sure i would've like killzone a shit load more if it were for the shit analog sticks

**Sub-stance1** · 02-08-2013

Originally Posted by J3ff3

examples

you said MS do a better job of covering ALL areas. you also said 'they know their audience', and provide better than sony.

where as in reality MS has slightly pissed off the core to cater to the casual.

i wouldn't claim that's being better in 'all' areas, or 'knowing your audience'.

quite the opposite in fact. they've chased a different audience. if they knew their audience and were better in all areas, they wouldn't have the stigma attached to them going into this gen that they do. they've just traded one focus (new ips, new core offereings) for another (casual, kinect based games) whilst maintaining a core of popular offerings.

now i still love halo and forza, but gears bores me. what really are my options year on year? sony doesn't really provide me with much more at all, i think uncharted is fucking boring, with pretty poor controls that (at least in the first game) smacked of gears controls, killzone - its ok, i liked it for a bit - the list goes on.

but the point is sony can't be accussed of not trying hard enough. far from it. there's always something for people to be genuinely excited for.

You are totally missing the whole point here. Its not about who has what. Both MS and sony have core and a casual audience but MS does a better job catering to their entire audience. Sony has leaned more toward core while MS has sort of split it down the middle. Their console has more of a casual and core edge to it than PS3 because the way they have market it.

**J3ff3** · 02-08-2013

but you said 'MS knows its audience', something that it does better than sony.

i said that's not true. MS *changed* its audience. if it had known its audience, it would've known it didn't want the number of yearly exclusives to decline to just a handful of yearly core offerings. MS' audience were happy with the volume of new offerings being made by MGS every year in the first few years. MS then changed, *despite* its audience.

and all you've done above is claim that by catering to the casuals MS has covered the market better than sony. i've disagreed, because to cater to one, admittedly larger, market, they've come close to abandoning another. the core.

sony have done better because they've spread themselves better. they've not given the impression of focusing on one target audience. you can claim that one has had more success than the other in either area, but thats not the point. sony can't be accused of neglecting anyone. MS fans do have reason to be *a little* disappointed.

**Sub-stance1** · 02-08-2013

Originally Posted by J3ff3

but you said 'MS knows its audience', something that it does better than sony.

i said that's not true. MS *changed* its audience. if it had known its audience, it would've known it didn't want the number of yearly exclusives to decline to just a handful of yearly core offerings. MS' audience were happy with the volume of new offerings being made by MGS every year in the first few years. MS then changed, *despite* its audience.

and all you've done above is claim that by catering to the casuals MS has covered the market better than sony. i've disagreed, because to cater to one, admittedly larger, market, they've come close to abandoning another. the core.

sony have done better because they've spread themselves better. they've not given the impression of focusing on one target audience. you can claim that one has had more success than the other in either area, but thats not the point. sony can't be accused of neglecting anyone. MS fans do have reason to be *a little* disappointed.

You are totally twisting this whole thing. You are taking something I said in which I clearly stated was just "my feeling" and turning it into a topic about something totally different. This is not just about exclusive games or abandoning the core. I never said anything about them covering the market better. I simply stated:

Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

I think MS will come come with a balanced approach when it come to new IPs. They will have something for both audiences. I don't know what the plan is for Kinect but if the thing is as accurate and improved as the rumors suggest it could be a game changer, along with Illumiroom and a improved upgraded xbox live. MS knows it's audience and this is something I feel they do a much better job at than sony does.

Sony does have the 1st party stuff covered very well but they don't cater to a wider variety of gamers as MS does. Not types of games but different types of gamers themselves. I think MS does a better job at covering all aspects of their console.

**Flaw3d Genius** · 02-08-2013

Some of the comments in here are truly atrocious, Why would they be all new ip's Kinect titles? This gen was not all Kinect titles...What evidence is out there to suggest it will be nxt-gen? F**k all... Enough with the daft fanboy comments already.

**Two4DaMoney** · 02-08-2013

Originally Posted by Flaw3d Genius

Some of the comments in here are truly atrocious, Why would they be all new ip's Kinect titles? This gen was not all Kinect titles...What evidence is out there to suggest it will be nxt-gen? F**k all... Enough with the daft fanboy comments already.

What evidence do you have to state otherwise? Ok then. Let us speculate in peace.

**radgamer420** · 02-08-2013

Originally Posted by Flaw3d Genius

Some of the comments in here are truly atrocious, Why would they be all new ip's Kinect titles? This gen was not all Kinect titles...What evidence is out there to suggest it will be nxt-gen? F**k all... Enough with the daft fanboy comments already.

You cant blame people for being cynical given MS shift in focus over the last couple of years or so. Theres good reason for the stigma attatched to the Xbox brand right now.