PS4 full specs

[Nitey]

... a wired headset???

Yeah a throw in like how 360 does it. Best way to go to build a more connected, social platform as far as I'm concerned

The console will still support wireless blutooth or hench USB headsets for that market

[TAZ427]

hahaha, be prepared. This topic already has a couple of negative people those of which I didn't hesitate to put on ignore because of their agendas. There will always be derps, no matter how good a system is.

I will say though, the current start and select buttons on the DS3 are in a weird spot. It's a normal spot but because of where the analogs are the analogs get in the way of the select and start buttons a little bit. I think it will all work out man, be positive. hehe

I definitely know this. Hence my post on the "What are your predictions" thread. The first part was.

I predict a bunch of fan boys on one side saying it's the best thing since sliced bread, and this generation already has a declared winner. While a bunch of fan boys on the other side saying it's all crap, and wait until E3 when Microsoft blows them out of the water.

I'll agree about the existing Start/Select buttons being in a weird or difficult spot anyway. My Son has a bad habit of hitting the PS button when excited and needing to hit Select or Start to pop up a menu. To be honest I can't really say anything until I put the controller in my hands. I did pick up my DS3 and see how I 'Think' it will be to access them, but until you hold the actual controller in your hands it's hard to say.

[MjW]

I'm glad Sony copied MS's headset. I always considered the 360 approach smart. Cheap to include with every console, simple to not require pairing, charging, and practical although not fully wireless.

And there will still be many bluetooth alternatives for those who want.

[Coconut_Crunch]

I think they mainly did it for the purpose of giving everyone that buys a PS4 a mic. Other than that, if you have a blutooth headset, you might as well use that. Or you can switch if your BT headset runs low.

[PeanutButterMunky]

Yeah a throw in like how 360 does it. Best way to go to build a more connected, social platform as far as I'm concerned

The console will still support wireless blutooth or hench USB headsets for that market

Exactly. It'll definitely encourage the social aspects of the PS4.

[CMac21]

Based strictly on the TFLOPs the GPU would be between a 7850 and 7870 performance wise I believe... Anyone know more on that?

Edit: Just found this for comparison:
The Pitcairn PRO GPU has 16 Compute Units meaning 64SIMDs x 16 CUs = 1024 Shader processors (for the R7850).
The Pitcairn XT GPU has 20 Compute Units meaning 64SIMDs x 20 CUs = 1280 Shader processors (for the R7870).

[PeanutButterMunky]

Based strictly on the TFLOPs the GPU would be between a 7850 and 7870 performance wise I believe... Anyone know more on that?

I would say anything they're claiming about the GPU should be taken lightly. Sony claimed 1.8 TFLOPS for PS3 last time and it turned out to be 10th of that.

Although I do believe it will actually be closer to what they're claiming this time.

[DayWalker]

Yeah a throw in like how 360 does it. Best way to go to build a more connected, social platform as far as I'm concerned

The console will still support wireless blutooth or hench USB headsets for that market

...then why not include a BT headset with every console???

[MonkeyClaw]

I'm glad Sony copied MS's headset. I always considered the 360 approach smart. Cheap to include with every console, simple to not require pairing, charging, and practical although not fully wireless.

And there will still be many bluetooth alternatives for those who want.

The charging issue is one reason I stopped using my bluetooth headset, in long gaming marathons the battery would easily give out! While wireless is always nice, I think with the wired headset plugged into the controller is the best solution!

[Coconut_Crunch]

...then why not include a BT headset with every console???

BT mics/headsets are not cheap by any means and for the mic itself to have features in the PS4 like the PS3 had with Sony mics, it will cost about what you expect from a Sony mic, upwards of 29.99 to even 49.99 for that. This method on the other hand while not BT obviously, it still plugs into a BT controller but is by far cheaper. So if they are packaging a mic in every single PS4, they have to be able to afford it without losing a buttload of money per unit sold.

[DayWalker]

BT mics/headsets are not cheap by any means and for the mic itself to have features in the PS4 like the PS3 had with Sony mics, it will cost about what you expect from a Sony mice, upwards of 29.99 to even 49.99 for that. This method on the other hand while not BT obviously, it still plugs into a BT controller but is by far cheaper. So if they are packaging a mic in every single PS4, they have to be able to afford it without losing a buttload of money per unit sold.

hmmmm... not sure that cost really holds water... but whatever

[MonkeyClaw]

BT mics/headsets are not cheap by any means and for the mic itself to have features in the PS4 like the PS3 had with Sony mics, it will cost about what you expect from a Sony mic, upwards of 29.99 to even 49.99 for that. This method on the other hand while not BT obviously, it still plugs into a BT controller but is by far cheaper. So if they are packaging a mic in every single PS4, they have to be able to afford it without losing a buttload of money per unit sold.

While I agree that a wired mic is going to be much cheaper than a bluetooth headset, you also have to realize that the prices for accessories we see on store shelves have a ton of margin built into them and probably cost Sony very little to make. But knowing that they will want to turn a profit on the console as quickly as possible and to keep within a specific budget every penny counts! Besides, I would rather have a wired mic that plugs into the controller than deal with the bluetooth battery always dying on me in the middle of a game.

[Completely Average]

I would say anything they're claiming about the GPU should be taken lightly. Sony claimed 1.8 TFLOPS for PS3 last time and it turned out to be 10th of that.

Although I do believe it will actually be closer to what they're claiming this time.

That was largely because of limited RAM bandwidth rather than the GPU itself. The GPU and Cell were both capable of doing a LOT more than what the memory bandwidth would allow. They simply couldn't feed the processors data fast enough.

The PS4 looks to have mostly corrected that problem. It still looks a bit limited on bandwidth if 1080p is your target, but should have plenty for just about anything running 720p native and scaling. It wouldn't be able to pull off the PC version of Crysis 3 at max detail in 1080p native for instance, but it could probably handle those settings at 720p and scaled to 1080p.

[PeanutButterMunky]

That was largely because of limited RAM bandwidth rather than the GPU itself. The GPU and Cell were both capable of doing a LOT more than what the memory bandwidth would allow. They simply couldn't feed the processors data fast enough.

The PS4 looks to have mostly corrected that problem. It still looks a bit limited on bandwidth if 1080p is your target, but should have plenty for just about anything running 720p native and scaling. It wouldn't be able to pull off the PC version of Crysis 3 at max detail in 1080p native for instance, but it could probably handle those settings at 720p and scaled to 1080p.

Perhaps, but you have to understand Crysis is really simply just made to be a benchmark game and it isn't really taking advantage of any one card in particular, and it certainly isn't optimized for 8 cores. It's just an eye candy game they keep throwing out every few years and seeing which card will be able to run it at max.

I honestly think we'll be seeing games from devs that make Crysis 3 look like shit... because they will be highly optimized for the PS4's graphical capabilities.

The PS3 was definitely ahead of its time, though.

[Shibby]

Yeah I dont know what that's all about to be honest? Maybe you can hear people in online games through there, but with the inclusion of a mono headset, what's the point ;/

There will probably be some ambient noises coming from it. Or something like a MGS codec call.

...then why not include a BT headset with every console???

BT is more expensive. Plus, with the headset plugging directly into the controller, the wire isn't an issue, barely even an inconvenience. You never have to charge it. Wired would only really be an issue for me if you had to plug it into the console and stretch the wire across the room.

[Nitey]

hmmmm... not sure that cost really holds water... but whatever

Well yeah. Random figures but if a BT headset costs $2 each to throw in I'm sure they'd rather throw in a 50cents wired mono headset instead - besides there is no guarantee that all gamers out there want to talk over the mic or even play online games. It just gives people something to use from the get go if they so please. If you have a bluetooth headset use that.

Not only that, but Sony make bluetooth headsets themselves. If they threw one in then they'd lose a chance to sell you an overpriced 'official PS4' one as an 'alternative'

[Completely Average]

Perhaps, but you have to understand Crysis is really simply just made to be a benchmark game and it isn't really taking advantage of any one card in particular, and it certainly isn't optimized for 8 cores. It's just an eye candy game they keep throwing out every few years and seeing which card will be able to run it at max.

You obviously haven't played Crysis 3 yet. It's actually quite good.

And the whole 8 core issue doesn't mean a thing. Jaguar is a stripped down tablet CPU running at 1.6ghz. Even the slowest i5 CPU would run circles around it. It's a very weak processor. Easily the weakest component in the PS4.

I honestly think we'll be seeing games from devs that make Crysis 3 look like shit... because they will be highly optimized for the PS4's graphical capabilities.

Blessed is he who expects nothing, for he shall not be disappointed.

I think that at 720p resolution the PS4 could just about pull off Crysis 3 in max detail, but even that would be pushing the GPU and memory bandwidth pretty hard. You just have to accept the fact that the PS4 is only about equal to a current mid-range gaming PC and optimization will only get you so far.

Now, that's not saying it's impossible to pull off better graphics, but there will be other sacrifices made to do that. AI and physics as well as level size and the number of AIs on the screen at once could be reduced to make a game look better. You could probably make an incredible looking arcade style rail shooter or fighting game, but it's always going to be a balancing act. Give up one thing to get more of another.

[Coconut_Crunch]

While I agree that a wired mic is going to be much cheaper than a bluetooth headset, you also have to realize that the prices for accessories we see on store shelves have a ton of margin built into them and probably cost Sony very little to make. But knowing that they will want to turn a profit on the console as quickly as possible and to keep within a specific budget every penny counts! Besides, I would rather have a wired mic that plugs into the controller than deal with the bluetooth battery always dying on me in the middle of a game.

Oh I definitely agree. I hope they also have a mute feature on headset as well. However, eitherway this is such good knews that everyone gets a mic, very good news and Sony is on the right track.

[PeanutButterMunky]

You obviously haven't played Crysis 3 yet. It's actually quite good.

And the whole 8 core issue doesn't mean a thing. Jaguar is a stripped down tablet CPU running at 1.6ghz. Even the slowest i5 CPU would run circles around it. It's a very weak processor. Easily the weakest component in the PS4.





Blessed is he who expects nothing, for he shall not be disappointed.

I think that at 720p resolution the PS4 could just about pull off Crysis 3 in max detail, but even that would be pushing the GPU and memory bandwidth pretty hard. You just have to accept the fact that the PS4 is only about equal to a current mid-range gaming PC and optimization will only get you so far.

Now, that's not saying it's impossible to pull off better graphics, but there will be other sacrifices made to do that. AI and physics as well as level size and the number of AIs on the screen at once could be reduced to make a game look better. You could probably make an incredible looking arcade style rail shooter or fighting game, but it's always going to be a balancing act. Give up one thing to get more of another.

I'm being overly optimistic.

I'm not a big Crysis fan, personally.

Regarding sacrifice... the PS4 is still using Blu-ray discs, which hold upward of 50 GB of space, which is a lot more than the typical 8 GB discs that PC games generally come on, even huge games like WoW only get about half that size. The Blu-ray component in PS4 is 3 times the read speed than PS3's, so there should be quicker access to disc content this time... not to mention all the cloud computing that might also be a large factor in games this time around.

All I'm really saying is... I think we should see how this new ecosystem Sony has created will affect the quality of our games.

I do accept the fact the PS4 is basically comparable to mid-high range PC, but there are other factors involved that may very well surprise us. I'm very eager to see what Sony is going to do... and what devs are going to do with the immense freedom Sony has given to them this time around.

[Cyn]

I think that at 720p resolution the PS4 could just about pull off Crysis 3 in max detail, but even that would be pushing the GPU and memory bandwidth pretty hard. You just have to accept the fact that the PS4 is only about equal to a current mid-range gaming PC and optimization will only get you so far.

Come off it. What you're saying is true if you simply dialled the PC version of Crysis 3 into this machine. Which is a silly argument because Crysis 3 is, as always from Crytek, horribly optimised. But you wouldn't see that would you. You'd of course instead get a proper PS3 version coded directly to the metal and optimised for the hardware.

PS4 can (and maybe will, let's see if it ever releases) handle Crysis 3 at max settings at 1080p.

[MonkeyClaw]

I'm being overly optimistic.

I'm not a big Crysis fan, personally.

Regarding sacrifice... the PS4 is still using Blu-ray discs, which hold upward of 50 GB of space, which is a lot more than the typical 8 GB discs that PC games generally come on, even huge games like WoW only get about half that size. The Blu-ray component in PS4 is 3 times the read speed than PS3's, so there should be quicker access to disc content this time... not to mention all the cloud computing that might also be a large factor in games this time around.

All I'm really saying is... I think we should see how this new ecosystem Sony has created will affect the quality of our games.

I do accept the fact the PS4 is basically comparable to mid-high range PC, but there are other factors involved that may very well surprise us. I'm very eager to see what Sony is going to do... and what devs are going to do with the immense freedom Sony has given to them this time around.

Drives me up the wall that people keep comparing consoles to PC's, look at the PS3, go put a processor close to in specs, along with 512MB of RAM and a GeForce 7800 GTX card into a PC case and show me a game that looks like Uncharted or Killzone running on it smoothly...

[PeanutButterMunky]

Drives me up the wall that people keep comparing consoles to PC's, look at the PS3, go put a processor close to in specs, along with 512MB of RAM and a GeForce 7800 GTX card into a PC case and show me a game that looks like Uncharted or Killzone running on it smoothly...

Devs are truly amazing... and that is exactly my point. PlayStation devs have been given a whole world more of creative freedom. The stuff we're going to see will be truly jaw-dropping.

[MATRIX 2]

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/02/21/psn-transfers-ps4/

[MonkeyClaw]

Devs are truly amazing... and that is exactly my point. PlayStation devs have been given a whole world more of creative freedom. The stuff we're going to see will be truly jaw-dropping.

Absolutely! I can't wait to see what Naughty Dog shows at E3! I am giddy with excitement!

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/02/21/psn-transfers-ps4/

I just saw that earlier, it sucks...so much for all my Pinball tables I have bought for Pinball Arcade!

[Coconut_Crunch]

Devs are truly amazing... and that is exactly my point. PlayStation devs have been given a whole world more of creative freedom. The stuff we're going to see will be truly jaw-dropping.

That same thing can also be said for 3rd party developers too.