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    Carmack: Sony made wise engineering decisions for PS4


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    So, Carmack, is there any chance of a ps3 exclusive game?

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    Doom 4 should look good on a PS4.
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    He'll probably make a game for the PS4 though not exclusive. Id software is best known for their PC titles. Maybe Doom 4 will see a console port.
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    camack is a really weid person.he really had done nothing great the past few years.maybe he will make a game for the ps4

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    The fact that Sony impressed Carmack and Crytek, shows that they pulled off something big. Carmack and Crytek haven't been the biggest supporters of console gaming compared to PC, so it's definitely good to hear their positive feedback.

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    I don't particularly like Carmack.


    He's a has-been as well in my eyes.

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    I don't dislike Carmack...I dislike Cliffy B for being a fanboy.

    Wait, I'm thinking about Gabe Newell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    I don't dislike Carmack...I dislike Cliffy B for being a fanboy.
    I have never liked Cliffy B.

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    Cliffy B is a grade-A, wannabe D-list celebrity douche of a developer.

    I'm glad he's gone quiet. Gears has lost relevance, and so has he.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowKingpin View Post
    I have never liked Cliffy B.
    I meant to say Gabe...but really, it wasn't that he criticized the PS3...but more like trolled it because he wanted them to stop selling the console and go back to the drawing board...ok fine but sheesh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    I don't dislike Carmack...I dislike Cliffy B for being a fanboy.

    Wait, I'm thinking about Gabe Newell.
    Crytek are the worst. Always bragging about their games' visuals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedOrb_Collector View Post
    Cliffy B is a grade-A, wannabe D-list celebrity douche of a developer.

    I'm glad he's gone quiet. Gears has lost relevance, and so has he.
    You sir, get a rep for the best description of Cliffy B.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacksite View Post
    Crytek are the worst. Always bragging about their games' visuals.
    hah, i think of GG the same way...but they haven't been as $#@!y lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacksite View Post
    Crytek are the worst. Always bragging about their games' visuals.
    Yeah, I was quite shocked Crytek wasn't trolling the PS4 like they did consoles this entire gen. The dev I heard in a post reveal was actually excited about the PS4 not just oh it's better. They are some $#@!y bastards there.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacksite View Post
    Crytek are the worst. Always bragging about their games' visuals.
    Well, seeing Crysis 3 on PC with ultra high quality, I think they earn some bragging rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mael Duin View Post
    Well, seeing Crysis 3 on PC with ultra high quality, I think they earn some bragging rights.
    It's all nice until you play their games.

    I never personally found their games better-looking than the rest...although Crysis did look nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedOrb_Collector View Post
    I don't particularly like Carmack.


    He's a has-been as well in my eyes.
    Are you sure you aren't thinking of John Romero?


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    John Carmack Before and After on Next gen consoles / PS4...

    Before. June 21st, 2012....

    http://www.slashgear.com/john-carmac...bout-21235224/

    "Game development expert John Carmack believes that the next generation of video game consoles won’t be anything to write home about. Carmack said in a recent interview that he was admittedly optimistic about the increased rendering power of an Xbox 720 or PS4, but beyond that he has no grand vision of what to expect. We may be hitting the point of diminishing returns."



    After the PS4 revealing...


    http://www.computerandvideogames.com...playstation-4/

    The legendary developer, who is believed to be working on Doom 4, Tweeted that he is happy with the specs for Sony's next-gen console.

    "I can't speak freely about PS4, but now that some specs have been made public, I can say that Sony made wise engineering choices,"




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    He is probably referring to the 8GB of unified GDDR5 RAM. This is a big question here. Nvidia just released the GTX Titan video card and it has 6GB GDDR5. The GTX Titan retail price is $999, and that is just for a video card. The GPU is probably about $500 of that price. So, how is Sony going to get GDDR5 in volume at a half or one-third the price it is now? They don't make RAM, so who is the supplier? This was the major surprise announcement and it may have been very recent. Who have they found that will be able to provide this volume in memory chips at such a reduced price, Samsung?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bligmerk View Post
    He is probably referring to the 8GB of unified GDDR5 RAM. This is a big question here. Nvidia just released the GTX Titan video card and it has 6GB GDDR5. The GTX Titan retail price is $999, and that is just for a video card. The GPU is probably about $500 of that price. So, how is Sony going to get GDDR5 in volume at a half or one-third the price it is now? They don't make RAM, so who is the supplier? This was the major surprise announcement and it may have been very recent. Who have they found that will be able to provide this volume in memory chips at such a reduced price, Samsung?
    The GDDR5 I believe is customized for use in the video card, while the way Sony is using it in the PS4 is mainly for RAM, not GPU. Lets not forget that Nvidia is very expensive and while I have a high end GPU, I can say that that $999 is overpriced beyond belief but than again a lot of Nvidia and Intel are overpriced anyway. Nvidia brags about it's Cuda cores but for a gamer they are pointless and basically fluff. Since Sony with all out with AMD, AMD probably also said $#@! it, we will give you one hell of a deal for this stuff. AMD wouldn't lose any money off of partnering up with Sony for GDDR5 RAM, they would still make money any since it's not a GPU.

    This is just my take on it, I have no clue how they managed to get GDDR5 and giving the consumers a proper price point. AMD must be doing Sony a huge favor and it could be for Sony and AMD being partners maybe for future consoles as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coconut_Crunch View Post
    The GDDR5 I believe is customized for use in the video card, while the way Sony is using it in the PS4 is mainly for RAM, not GPU. Lets not forget that Nvidia is very expensive and while I have a high end GPU, I can say that that $999 is overpriced beyond belief but than again a lot of Nvidia and Intel are overpriced anyway. Nvidia brags about it's Cuda cores but for a gamer they are pointless and basically fluff. Since Sony with all out with AMD, AMD probably also said $#@! it, we will give you one hell of a deal for this stuff. AMD wouldn't lose any money off of partnering up with Sony for GDDR5 RAM, they would still make money any since it's not a GPU.

    This is just my take on it, I have no clue how they managed to get GDDR5 and giving the consumers a proper price point. AMD must be doing Sony a huge favor and it could be for Sony and AMD being partners maybe for future consoles as well.
    I may be completely wrong here, but I understand "shared" memory of 8gb to be all purpose, used for everything, including the GPU.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shibby View Post
    I may be completely wrong here, but I understand "shared" memory of 8gb to be all purpose, used for everything, including the GPU.
    I don't see how that's possible considerin the apu would already have the GPU in it. What you are talking about would mean they coudl have a 4GBGPU if they wanted to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shibby View Post
    I may be completely wrong here, but I understand "shared" memory of 8gb to be all purpose, used for everything, including the GPU.
    That's correct, with unified you can adjust it, so if you want 2GB for the system and 6GB for the GPU no problem, or you can give 6GB to the system and only 2GB to the GPU, or 1GB to the system and 7GB to the GPU, they both use the same memory pool so it can be adjust to how the developer sees fit. Am I correct with this info?

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