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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    When was it confirmed GCN2?
    Dev on Beyond3D confirmed it apparently and its in the GPU architecture I posted from VGleaks too so

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    Quote Originally Posted by TGO View Post
    Dev on Beyond3D confirmed it apparently and its in the GPU architecture I posted from VGleaks too so

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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    Ookayyy...
    I personally don't know who is is but the guys on Gaf do, he his a games dev, I'll go have a look for ya
    If it ain't lost in Gaf already lol

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    I suspect it is based on GCN 2, i just hadn't heard it as confirmed.

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    It's a mobile CPU. I expect neither this nor the 720's CPU to be a beast. They will get the job done I suppose. I wish they'd both had gone with a desktop class part though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    I suspect it is based on GCN 2, i just hadn't heard it as confirmed.
    I stand corrected, it was actually a tech expert from Rage3D
    I'm hearing that PS4 GCN has 8ACE's,each capable of running 8 CL's each. I believe Tahiti is 2 per ACE, 2 ACE's
    I'm sure you know what this means
    Several other places have said this too so....a bow of salt is on the side if you like to take a pinch lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatSpaceKoaster View Post
    It's a mobile CPU. I expect neither this nor the 720's CPU to be a beast. They will get the job done I suppose. I wish they'd both had gone with a desktop class part though.
    Proper cooling for that would cost too much. What they chose runs cooler, quieter, and consumes less power. Dont expect the gen after next gen to be any different unless some new tech to solve those issues comes along.





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    Quote Originally Posted by HellsJester View Post
    Proper cooling for that would cost too much. What they chose runs cooler, quieter, and consumes less power. Dont expect the gen after next gen to be any different unless some new tech to solve those issues comes along.
    The CPUs in the PS3 and Xbox 360 weren't mobile-level and they did fine. In the case of the 360... fine after a redesign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatSpaceKoaster View Post
    The CPUs in the PS3 and Xbox 360 weren't mobile-level and they did fine. In the case of the 360... fine after a redesign.
    I will be honest my response was just what other people have told me so i imagine it has to do with next gen consoles using off the shelf parts instead of parts specifically made for consoles. I would like to know as well.





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    2.0GHz, 8 core, CPU in a console is a bit of a dream

    a good dream though, one i hope to be reality


    Well your Ps3 has 8 cores at 3.2Ghz so be super happy ... I kid, Jaguar is kind of awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabjabs View Post
    Well your Ps3 has 8 cores at 3.2Ghz so be super happy ... I kid, Jaguar is kind of awesome.[/COLOR]
    The jag are regular cores though, not SPE's
    Kinda like having 2 quad cores, but clocked lower
    I think people underestimate this because they are laptop CPU's, but the power is still there especially because its 8 core, its a good trade imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    I suspect it is based on GCN 2, i just hadn't heard it as confirmed.
    I've read it somewhere on b3d, not confirmed officially but looking at the pdf's provided by Sony some "experts/devs" there pretty much confirmed it. It's also a given that MS's next box will also have a GPU based on GCN2.

    Edit: related to this http://www.vgleaks.com/orbis-gpu-com...and-pipelines/
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    Quote Originally Posted by HellsJester View Post
    Proper cooling for that would cost too much. What they chose runs cooler, quieter, and consumes less power. Dont expect the gen after next gen to be any different unless some new tech to solve those issues comes along.
    it all depends on design, its actually harder to keep a desk top cool, then a lap top, and the CPU is not the problem. The reason they use "low end" CPU for laptops is all about power consumption, if you were to use a desktop set up it would suck the battery dry in no time at all.


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    I thought the CPU was way less important these days anyway.

    Especially with gpgpu.

    But the jag is definitely no slouch, no worries people. Sony and amd seem to have cooked up a nice design for the ps4 and I cant wait to see what this thing can do.

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    At the moment Sony can do no wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickice View Post
    At the moment Sony can do no wrong.
    Well they could but that's a complete other subject.

    I can't wait to see what 1st party devs do with all that powa!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by mickice View Post
    At the moment Sony can do no wrong.
    They didn't show the damn console*cries* That's the worst thing ever and sony are now screwed.

    Well, that's what they say lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickice View Post
    At the moment Sony can do no wrong.
    The only wrong they've committed, for me thus far, is the fact the PS4 cant play ANYTHING but PS4 games. Though I'm sure it will come later, but that still sucks.

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    For playing older games they will work out something, native support would be highly desireable.
    As for the box, it could be an actual box with 2 buttons and a drive tray for all I care. The controller will be key, I think the share button nails it.

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    When Mark Cerny showed all that passion about the PS4, I believe him. I think the PS4 is going to be thee system to own. Even though developers have said that the PS3 was hard to develop for, look at what that system is capable of. Look at the specs and then see what it can do. There is no doubt in my mind that the PS4 is going to be amazing.
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    To all the people complaining about Sony not having showed the console itself: I guess we weren't supposed to see ANY hardware. The only reason we saw the controller is because there were some leaked pictures so they had to come out with it and show it to us.

    Do you really think they'd show the REAL good stuff before E3? NO WAY! Imagine that... Sony shows controller+CONSOLE+much more games on February 20th --> all people are hyped for Microsoft at E3, NOT Sony. But Sony is in an advantage at the moment. They told us that there IS a PS4, showed the new controller and some software. And that's okay and more than enough. Then at E3 show the real deal. Blow us away with an amazing but simple design, great tech and stunningly beautiful games. Why? Because Microsoft will do exactly that. So Sony must not waste their "ammo" before E3.


    Btw, it doesn't matter if we're happy with the specs or not. They won't change it, no matter what we say. But I'm quite happy. The only thing so far that I think COULD be better is the CPU, but I guess it's quite good and sufficient. 8gigs of ram - great. But I took it as "the 8GB of GDDR5 RAM will be used by the CPU and GPU" - right? Or is there a dedicated RAM JUST for the GPU? Because someone said that there will be additional RAM for the GPU. If that was true, it would mean that the GPU itself has its own RAM BUT can access the 8GB GDDR5 system memory. But I don't believe that there's additional GPU RAM. Just the 8gigs GDDR5.

    I always thought that "GDDR" types of RAM is only available for GPUs, or am I missing something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by baho View Post
    "while the GPU is based on the Radeon 7000-series and is capable of 1.84 TFLOPS of processing power. That’s about 4.5x more powerful than the PS3 GPU"

    No, just NO! The RSX had ~170 Gflops performance. The PS4 GPU has ~1.84 Tflops performance. That's 11x the theoretical performance. Add to the that the PS4 gpu is based on the next AMD architecture, the GCN2, that makes it a LOT more efficient and the gpu in the PS4 should have REAL world performance of more than 15x of that of the PS3 gpu! (this is just my opinion, from what i know the RSX is based on a 7800GTX which has 165Gflops theoretical performance)

    p.s. it's the radeon 8000 series that's based on.
    I thought the RSX had around 400 GFLOPS of performance (theoretical)?!

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