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    Quote Originally Posted by Completely Average View Post
    I think you're the one that lacks comprehension.

    THE PS4 IS JAGUAR.

    Therefore the A-Series is in no way related to the PS4 APU, and has NOTHING to do with this discussion.

    Or do you not understand the basics of the APU in the PS4?
    Here's the quote again from the article
    He said, "Everything that Sony has shared in that single chip is AMD [intellectual property], but we have not built an APU quite like that for anyone else in the market. It is by far the most powerful APU we have built to date, it leverages [intellectual property] that you will find in our A-series APUs later this year, our new generation of APUs but none that will quite be to that level of sheer number of cores, sheer number of teraflops."




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    http://www.psu.com/a018544/AMD-says-...-we-have-built
    “We have not built an APU quite like that for anyone else in the market”
    "It is by far the most powerful APU we have built to date."

    Is AMD basically saying that PS4 is head and shoulders above Xbox Next?! (if rumours are true, AMD is providing the APU for Xbox Next as well!)

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    sry for double post, please delete this
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    Quote Originally Posted by brebaz View Post
    Here's the quote again from the article
    To me it sounds like the Jaguar, A-Series and HD 7xxx GPU had a three-way love child called the PS4 processor!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brebaz View Post
    Here's the quote again from the article
    Yes, it has a GPU.

    WOW.


    Would you like me to actually explain this to you?

    First, an AMD APU is a CPU and graphics processor on a single chip. AMD has two basic versions in the works that are Jaguar based. Temash and Kabini which both use the same CPU as the PS4, but with slightly different graphics solutions in each.

    Temash which releases next month has a very basic graphics processor because it's designed for tablets. It is a 2 or 4 core Jaguar CPU coupled with a basic, stripped down graphics processor. Kabini which releases in summer has an 8000 series Mobility GPU combined with a 4 core Jaguar CPU. It's is designed for larger notebooks, and thus has more PC-like functions and performance.

    Between the two, Kabini is most like the PS4 with the only major difference being the 4 core Jaguar rather than the 8 core Jaguar of the PS4. Both use Jaguar CPUs, both use 8000M based GPUs.


    A-Series is an entirely different architecture from the PS4. It uses a different CPU, different RAM, and a different GPU than the PS4 will have. A-Series is a Piledriver CPU combined with a 7000 series GPU. It will support DDR3 RAM, not GDDR5. The only thing it has in common with the PS4 is that it's an AMD x86-64 APU.

    A-Series is in no way related to the PS4, much less a "stripped down" version of the PS4. It's an entirely different architecture in every single way.




    Quote Originally Posted by baho View Post
    http://www.psu.com/a018544/AMD-says-...-we-have-built
    “We have not built an APU quite like that for anyone else in the market”
    "It is by far the most powerful APU we have built to date."

    Is AMD basically saying that PS4 is head and shoulders above Xbox Next?! (
    Is the next-gen Xbox already publicly announced, built and on the market yet?

    Pay attention to the "To date" part before you make assumptions. Their next-gen Xbox APU isn't announced yet, so "to date" it doesn't exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Completely Average View Post
    Yes, it has a GPU.

    WOW.

    This is what i read...

    bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla...





    Okay. End.




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    Quote Originally Posted by baho View Post
    http://www.psu.com/a018544/AMD-says-...-we-have-built
    “We have not built an APU quite like that for anyone else in the market”
    "It is by far the most powerful APU we have built to date."

    Is AMD basically saying that PS4 is head and shoulders above Xbox Next?! (if rumours are true, AMD is providing the APU for Xbox Next as well!)
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    I don't know why there is arguing about said chip. The so called "Jaguar" that is used in the PS4 is a customized chip, that means all the bells and whistles including speed will not be used in the PC version. However, They haven't even released the specs of the CPU so I don't understand how people in this topic are coming up with these wild theories when they don't even have 1 fact down, just ridiculous. o.O
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    Quote Originally Posted by Completely Average View Post
    I think you're the one that lacks comprehension.

    THE PS4 IS JAGUAR.

    Therefore the A-Series is in no way related to the PS4 APU, and has NOTHING to do with this discussion.

    Or do you not understand the basics of the APU in the PS4?

    I don't see what you are getting at when AMD said it was part of the APU A-series, which was stated in the article. We all know it's called "Jaguar" but it's still a custom A-series chip.

    "While Sony revealed some information about the AMD APU that will power the Playstation 4, the details that were made public were all about AMD's technologies rather than Sony's. AMD told The INQUIRER that the APU used is a custom A-series part that has a mix of AMD and Sony technology."

    What that means it's not a previous APU from the A-Series but more of a future APU from the A-series but customized by both AMD and Sony. This in it's case will change when AMD releases this for a desktop, they will end up making it 4 cores rather than 8. This would be because they already have an 8 core CPU which is the 8350 Vishera. Most likely by next year the APU's will be 8 core anyway. Jaguar doesn't mean that it's not part of the A-series. You are basing a CPU because of the name, not the technology that's in it which is more than likely based on the A-series even though it's customized.


    You don't work for AMD so you have no idea what is in the PS4's APU considering they already stated it was a customized APU as well as not release the specs of the PS4's APU. So whatever you try to pass on as a fact is pure bull$#@!. If AMD says it's part of the A-Series, then that is what it is, it's their chip, they designed it. honestly lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdoggy View Post
    I don't see what you are getting at when AMD said it was part of the APU A-series, which was stated in the article. We all know it's called "Jaguar" but it's still a custom A-series chip.

    "While Sony revealed some information about the AMD APU that will power the Playstation 4, the details that were made public were all about AMD's technologies rather than Sony's. AMD told The INQUIRER that the APU used is a custom A-series part that has a mix of AMD and Sony technology."
    Like I said, it used a GPU.


    An APU is a CPU and a GPU on a single chip. We know the CPU is Jaguar, so guess what "custom A-Series APU" part was used.

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    AMD: "PS4 has the most powerful APU we ever produced"

    AMD global business manager John Taylor has said the accelerated processing unit in the PlayStation 4 is the best the company has ever produced.
    “We have not built an APU quite like that for anyone else in the market,” Taylor told the Inquirer.
    “It is by far the most powerful APU we have built to date.”
    Taylor said the APU leverages new tech which will appear in AMD’s new generation A-series later this year, which will be sold directly to consumers.
    “None that will quite be to that level of sheer number of cores, sheer number of teraflops,” he added.
    The PlayStation 4 has an x86 APU, and that AMD will be selling similar tech directly to PC users shows just how PC-like the console’s architecture is – but it’s worth remembering that the custom tech has been specially designed through a collaboration between the two companies, so you can’t just rebuild a PS4 in your basement.
    Sony hasn’t released full tech specs, but the console has 8GB of RAM and can churn out over 1.8 teraflops of processing power.
    Big words, from the mouth of the maker...

    Wonder if it translates in real-world performance compared to Xbox 720s. Digital Foundry will have a crapload of trafic in their Face2Face, that's a fact.

    http://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-...-has-produced/

    P.S. On the other hand... If I'm not mistaken... Durango doesn't feature an "APU" but separated CPU (IBM?) and GPU (AMD).
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    I think this is good news for AMD and may give them the boost they need. I see good things with this partnership for APU's with Sony. Now I don't know much about APU's just that it's a cpu and gpu in one chip but, this is a good thing for both AMD and Sony.
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    Maybe, even if PS4 is better slight visual and performance differences never killed anyone.
    Key features will be stuff like game recording, no more sites using BS composite cables or fiddling with other settings.
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    The PS4's APU is going to do work. No doubt about it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquanox View Post
    Big words, from the mouth of the maker...

    Wonder if it translates in real-world performance compared to Xbox 720s. Digital Foundry will have a crapload of trafic in their Face2Face, that's a fact.

    http://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-...-has-produced/

    P.S. On the other hand... If I'm not mistaken... Durango doesn't feature an "APU" but separated CPU (IBM?) and GPU (AMD).

    See, this is where things get blurry to me. Both are SoC's.. But both may not be APU's. I dunno if the Durango has discreet parts or not.

    I was under the impression they were both APU's.. But I cannot quite understand what truly differentiates the two.


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    It's confussing. They're reffering to the CPU. An APU is a CPU that has GPU capabilities... the PS4 has both an APU and a dedicated GPU.

    AMD has made the PS4 CPU but not the Xbox 720 which seems will be radically different.

    It gets even more confusing when he says this APU is the most powerful they've ever made. Most powerful than those CPUs on PCs?... or is he talking purely on raw theoretical teraflop numbers?

    Remember the Cell had a much higher number of teraflops than anything else back then... but in reality, a high end PC CPU had a higher performance.



    Quote Originally Posted by Vulgotha View Post
    See, this is where things get blurry to me. Both are SoC's.. But both may not be APU's. I dunno if the Durango has discreet parts or not.

    I was under the impression they were both APU's.. But I cannot quite understand what truly differentiates the two.
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    What he probably means there is that, in terms of APU's offered in the past and present by AMD (and they have been making them) the PS4 APU blows them all out of the water.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquanox View Post
    It's confussing. They're reffering to the CPU. An APU is a CPU that has GPU capabilities... the PS4 has both an APU and a dedicated GPU.

    AMD has made the PS4 CPU but not the Xbox 720 which seems will be radically different.

    It gets even more confusing when he says this APU is the most powerful they've ever made. Most powerful than those CPUs on PCs?... or is he talking purely on raw theoretical teraflop numbers?

    Remember the Cell had a much higher number of teraflops than anything else back then... but in reality, a high end PC CPU had a higher performance.
    When did the PS4 get a dedicated GPU along with an APU? From what I have read the PS4 will only have an APU.

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    Ps4 is APU only, the dedicated GPU thing was from Orbis rumours that where wrong.

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