1080p v 720p & 30fps v 60fps - Revealed Games

[Rekmon]

KZ looks amazing at 30fps, and cod looks like ass at 60fps. I think people are jumping to conclusions too fast about next gen. We were look at alpha games on unfinished hardware. We have a few months to e3 when we will get to see some better demos.

Hey...I LOVE KillZone. Don't make me post pics of my Helghast CE

Anyways...it does look really good at 30fps, but it often jarringly drops to less than that. If it was rock solid 30fps it would be much less noticeable. And by noticeable I mean not only visually but in controller response (which is intrinsically linked to frame rate)

It's just a simple fact: higher frame rates=smoother animation and faster controller response.
So yeah: I'll take a higher frame rate over a lower one anyday. That's why I play most multiplats on PC.

(Of course fun triumphs visuals anyday also, that's why I have playstations. Can't get those exclusives anywhere else!)

[Cyn]

people still game with 720p or a resolution of 1024x768 is really common amongst PC gamers even though they have high to mid-range and it's mainly because they want more performance. It's resolution which can impact performance greatly. If a game has AA they are most likely going to use 720p for the resolution since they will be able to get 60fps with high enough AA. I am not concerned about 1080p running at 30fps, it's obviously going to happen but when you start adding in high end lighting effects, more things on the screen at once, AA, and more...you will more than likely bring the resolution down to 720p.

This is what I do. Although reason being is that 720p is my TV's native res. It works out quite well though, I can play the likes of Crysis, Far Cry etc at high settings on a mid range card.

Problem with framerate on PC's is that for a lot of games you need an overpowered system just to achieve a smooth experience because of poor optimisation. Bouncing between 60fps and 45fps is horrible for example and in a lot of games I end up turning on v-sync and locking it at 30 just to get rid of the stutter

[coolguy]

Why u puting words in my mouth i never said any thing compareing 720 to 1080p just 60 vs 30 fps.

[D3seeker]

I'm building a monster because I NEED 1080p 60fps, and I'm sorry I have little faith the console will be able to do it. Though benchmarks showed it's possible to achieve solid 60fps at such res with certain AMD chips (I'm not about to look them up those who care have more than likely seen these) I do recall devs saying 30fps would still be common place

And yes I hav a soft spot for VIZUALSS!!!!

[keefy]

Those that say they cannot tell the difference between 30 and 60 please watch these vids. They have been captured and encoded at 30 and 60FPS. 20MB each.


30FPS

60FPS

people still game with 720p or a resolution of 1024x768 is really common amongst PC gamers even though they have high to mid-range and it's mainly because they want more performance. It's resolution which can impact performance greatly. If a game has AA they are most likely going to use 720p for the resolution since they will be able to get 60fps with high enough AA. I am not concerned about 1080p running at 30fps, it's obviously going to happen but when you start adding in high end lighting effects, more things on the screen at once, AA, and more...you will more than likely bring the resolution down to 720p.

Indeed, Steam Survey somewhat confirms what you say 1920x1080 with 30% and 1366x768 with 20% the 2 most popular resolutions by far.
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

Thank You!

As a console gamer, it irked the shit out of me when the halo PC clan i was in gave me shit every day about how consoles "dont havz gud graphics and they dont run att 60FPS!". I just really couldn't care. N64 is still my favorite console, and look at the specs of that thing. Compared to today its a toaster, and yet it was (and still is) one of the most fun consoles out there.

The N64 was underpowered even back then, it was OK for MArio but Goldeneye was pushing it, the framerate drops the moment you walked through smoke or spammed explosives and it was even more evident how underpowered it was when Perfect Dark released which needed the 8MB memory exapnsion to play the single player.
But like you said it was fun.

Low framerates annoy me thesedays, playing Half life 2 on th eorange box for PS3 was hideous, it was like looking at a slide show.

[Aquanox]

People who game at those resolutions are most likely because they're low on budget or their monitor doesn't support higher resolutions.

Right now you can play ANY game at 1080p on a mid-end PC, let alone high end. Resolution in that range doesn't affect framerates as much as Tessellation Post-processing, complex shadowing and other effects. In other words, few people prefer sacrificing resolution over certain graphical settings that impact performance more. 720p is soo annoying even with high AA applied. (which, depending on the geometry, could easily eat up much more performance than resolution)

It's at resolutions above 1080p however, when framerates start dropping dramatically, even in high-end setups. That's where SLI and Crossfire come into the picture.... which leads me to take a little jab at 4k gaming... which isn't happening this gen of Consoles or single GPU PCs... on a decent looking game that is.

people still game with 720p or a resolution of 1024x768 is really common amongst PC gamers even though they have high to mid-range and it's mainly because they want more performance. It's resolution which can impact performance greatly. If a game has AA they are most likely going to use 720p for the resolution since they will be able to get 60fps with high enough AA. I am not concerned about 1080p running at 30fps, it's obviously going to happen but when you start adding in high end lighting effects, more things on the screen at once, AA, and more...you will more than likely bring the resolution down to 720p.

[Syphon_Filter]

I think they were all 1080p. It should be the standard, I'll be buying a new TV hoping it will be, £400 wasted if not.

Killzone was 30fps, don't know about the others. I hold out hope that most games aim for 60fps but realistically it will probably be the same as this gen. Majority of games will achieve a solid 30fps and only the less graphically intense games like platformers will be 60fps

Hope im wrong!

With paying 400 you don't get a good LED HD TV. You most pay atlease 1100 inorder to have a good quality LED HD TV.

[MjW]

With paying 400 you don't get a good LED HD TV. You most pay atlease 1100 inorder to have a good quality LED HD TV.

There are good LED TVs?

[HellsJester]

There are good LED TVs?

If they are IPS yes

[DreDayDetox]

60fps and 720p, now that I wouldn't mind. Let film and television work at 24 and 30fps, but games should be at 30-60fps, more so towards 60fps. Everything just looks smoother. I'm willing to sacrifice some gfx for smoother gameplay that'll keep me coming back.

[Cyn]

With paying 400 you don't get a good LED HD TV. You most pay atlease 1100 inorder to have a good quality LED HD TV.

I'm not talking dollars here. Most LED TV's I see around are in the £400 bracket. 32-37", nothing too big.

Can't say it's an area of expertise for me though, I'm sure I'll make a thread on here for advice on refresh rates and response times and whatever when the time comes.

[keefy]

I'm not talking dollars here. Most LED TV's I see around are in the £400 bracket. 32-37", nothing too big.

Can't say it's an area of expertise for me though, I'm sure I'll make a thread on here for advice on refresh rates and response times and whatever when the time comes.

I got a Samsung 37" S6300 a last year just before Christmas back then it was closer to £600 but now its a little over £500 at John Lewis with 5 year warranty.

[Cyn]

I got a Samsung 37" S6300 a last year just before Christmas back then it was closer to £600 but now its a little over £500 at John Lewis with 5 year warranty.

I was thinking of getting one next year in the january sales. Seems the smart versions are a fair bit more expensive but since my PS3 already has the majority of that functionality it's not worth it.

[Flaw3d Genius]

60fps and 720p, now that I wouldn't mind. Let film and television work at 24 and 30fps, but games should be at 30-60fps, more so towards 60fps. Everything just looks smoother. I'm willing to sacrifice some gfx for smoother gameplay that'll keep me coming back.

Looks like we are a minority, I honestly thought we would be at the stage now though that the PS4 and next Xbox would be able to do 60fps as standard.

[Bigdoggy]

People who game at those resolutions are most likely because they're low on budget or their monitor doesn't support higher resolutions.

Right now you can play ANY game at 1080p on a mid-end PC, let alone high end. Resolution in that range doesn't affect framerates as much as Tessellation Post-processing, complex shadowing and other effects. In other words, few people prefer sacrificing resolution over certain graphical settings that impact performance more. 720p is soo annoying even with high AA applied. (which, depending on the geometry, could easily eat up much more performance than resolution)

It's at resolutions above 1080p however, when framerates start dropping dramatically, even in high-end setups. That's where SLI and Crossfire come into the picture.... which leads me to take a little jab at 4k gaming... which isn't happening this gen of Consoles or single GPU PCs... on a decent looking game that is.

you quoted me but like I just said, if you add high end lighting effects with AA and other such configs, you are going to want to bring down your resolution otherwise your game will get hiccups. lets not forget draw distance in PC games. If you are playing at 1920x1200 or 1080p with a huge draw distance, your game will stutter. that is why most people I know that game on the PC which are on my list of friends most of them game at a much lower resolution which is still crystal clear which in turn they can get a better draw distance, much more AA, etc etc.

[keefy]

I was thinking of getting one next year in the january sales. Seems the smart versions are a fair bit more expensive but since my PS3 already has the majority of that functionality it's not worth it.

My PS3 died last year so I needed those features to stream movies, music and watch iplayer and so on.