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    Forbes: Gamestop President on PS4 preorders, price point and used games

    "GameStop President Tony Bartel Talks PS4 Pre-Orders, Price Point And Used Games Impact (Q&A)"

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2013/03/06/gamestop-president-tony-bartel-talks-ps4-pre-orders-price-point-and-used-games-impact-qa/

    Not really liking what he said about current gen consoles keeping the used game market alive.. Not one bit.
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    I'm telling you, the gaming industry will be dead to me once they go all download only, internet ready and "Can't play used games" bull$#@!. I haven't bought a used game since I was in the 9th grade, but when you take away options for me, you take away money. When you take away money, you gain my rage. When you gain my rage... I CHOKE-A-$#@!!

    Keep it up companies! You're 50% closer to losing a customer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by $Greatness$ View Post
    I'm telling you, the gaming industry will be dead to me once they go all download only, internet ready and "Can't play used games" bull$#@!. I haven't bought a used game since I was in the 9th grade, but when you take away options for me, you take away money. When you take away money, you gain my rage. When you gain my rage... I CHOKE-A-$#@!!

    Keep it up companies! You're 50% closer to losing a customer.


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    To be fair to Sony, it seems like the third party publishers are the ones pushing this crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefein View Post
    To be fair to Sony, it seems like the third party publishers are the ones pushing this crap.
    I wouldn't defend them so easily. If Sony willfully placed online passes on their first party games then they'll definitely support more schemes created by third party publishers.







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    I love watching how businesses get so big and they end up crapping all over themselves. These are the same people that are probably going to either fall really hard and go bankrupt or they will get up and leave. In my opinion used game sales should only be dependent on the people creating that game. If a company doesn't mind used game sales then Sony and/or Microsoft should have no say in the matter unless they own that company.
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    What is the difference between a used game and a game that I own, that I play on one console in the living room with my PSN id, and then allow my child to play on a second console in our game room using their own PSN id?

    I'm NOT going to start buying two copies of a game just so my kid can play the same game on their console with their PSN id. I'll just not buy a PS4 at all and switch to PC gaming exclusively if that happens.

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    All this ominous talk is really starting to put a damper on my next gen excitement.

    If I can't even engage in something as basic as taking one of my games to a friend's house to play there, then $#@! this $#@!.

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    No used games will not = pc-like pricing deals on consoles. Retailers will not go for that.

    MS and Sony are already cutting out the middleman(retailers;ect.) when you buy games from psn/live. You can find those same games for cheaper in stores most of the time. Take rainbow six:vegas for an example. You can find that game for about 10 dollars(used of course because it's out of print) but when you go to buy it from psn, it's 20 damn dollars. I know it's only 10 more dollars but $#@! that. It should be $10. It's not like it's some remake or anything. It's an old, somewhat crap(compared to how far fps have come along) shooter.

    These devs/publishers can go to hell.
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    i wil also stop gameing if it becomes DD. but as of now the PS4 will play used games. i think the PS4 will be my last console.

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    I just find his avy disturbing. Every time he posts I feel like I'm looking at man feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by $Greatness$ View Post
    I'm telling you, the gaming industry will be dead to me once they go all download only, internet ready and "Can't play used games" bull$#@!. I haven't bought a used game since I was in the 9th grade, but when you take away options for me, you take away money. When you take away money, you gain my rage. When you gain my rage... I CHOKE-A-$#@!!

    Keep it up companies! You're 50% closer to losing a customer.
    This is stupid.

    It doesn't affect you since you don't do the whole trade/buy-used thing.

    It actually gives developers more money.... which means bigger budgets for the games YOU play.

    Bigger budgets = less glitches, better graphics, longer campaigns, etc.



    I'm looking forward to DD. But it's going to take another 5-10 years. A lot of places still have bandwidth caps. For example: A family of 4 only gets 100GB of download/upload per month..... it's not reasonable to expect someone from that family to download a 50GB game like Killzone:Shadowfall and use up half their bandwidth for one game.

    When unlimited high-speed internet is widespread, DD will be the most popular form of buying games. No more lining up at Midnight launches. No more middleman taking publishers/developers money.

    It will be good for the industry. Although, with Gakai being a big part of SCE now.... we might even see streaming become the next big thing. Netflix for games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INFAMOUS8 View Post
    This is stupid.

    It doesn't affect you since you don't do the whole trade/buy-used thing.

    It actually gives developers more money.... which means bigger budgets for the games YOU play.

    Bigger budgets = less glitches, better graphics, longer campaigns, etc.



    I'm looking forward to DD. But it's going to take another 5-10 years. A lot of places still have bandwidth caps. For example: A family of 4 only gets 100GB of download/upload per month..... it's not reasonable to expect someone from that family to download a 50GB game like Killzone:Shadowfall and use up half their bandwidth for one game.

    When unlimited high-speed internet is widespread, DD will be the most popular form of buying games. No more lining up at Midnight launches. No more middleman taking publishers/developers money.

    It will be good for the industry. Although, with Gakai being a big part of SCE now.... we might even see streaming become the next big thing. Netflix for games.
    Let's not be so quick to assume that just because a developer has more money that it will show with the quality of their games. Just looking at it, sure you would think that more money would mean better games, but in the world of money it doesn't always work like that.

    I don't even really understand why the hatred for used games came about the last few years. It's been in existence for generations yet just because certain publishers/developers think their game sold poorly due to used games, we now have this debate. I remember when the Quantic Dream CEO complained. If you want to keep customers buying your games as new, give them replay value. This doesn't mean add a terrible multiplayer aspect, but don't make a game so every time you replay it you see more and more how bad it is (plot holes in that game are facepalm worthy). Instead of punishing players who cannot afford new games, make it so the games are so fun that not as many people are selling them after one playthrough.

    Now let me say, I buy all games new, but I realize people do buy used for various reasons and buying new isn't always a possibility. Banning used games is also stopping you from letting a friend borrow the game or bringing it over to a friends house. It hurts the gamers and rewards the guys sitting behind a mahogany desk.

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    If they want to do away with used games, I'll compromise if they make it $40 for a new game instead of $60.

    Alternative thought: make a GOOD game, and people won't sell it after a week, and you'll get rid of the used game market.


    EDIT: and after reading through the thing. there's not an inkling of indication one way or another, plus he wouldn't have the information either way. don't be too dramatic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttech10 View Post
    Let's not be so quick to assume that just because a developer has more money that it will show with the quality of their games. Just looking at it, sure you would think that more money would mean better games, but in the world of money it doesn't always work like that.

    I don't even really understand why the hatred for used games came about the last few years. It's been in existence for generations yet just because certain publishers/developers think their game sold poorly due to used games, we now have this debate. I remember when the Quantic Dream CEO complained. If you want to keep customers buying your games as new, give them replay value. This doesn't mean add a terrible multiplayer aspect, but don't make a game so every time you replay it you see more and more how bad it is (plot holes in that game are facepalm worthy). Instead of punishing players who cannot afford new games, make it so the games are so fun that not as many people are selling them after one playthrough.

    Now let me say, I buy all games new, but I realize people do buy used for various reasons and buying new isn't always a possibility. Banning used games is also stopping you from letting a friend borrow the game or bringing it over to a friends house. It hurts the gamers and rewards the guys sitting behind a mahogany desk.
    Devs making more money = Devs not going out of business = More Games for us to play


    Either way you look at it... Devs getting more money, and customers still paying the same price.... it's a win-win for gamers and developers.

    Why should Wal-mart or Best Buy get such a huge cut of our money when they put nothing into making the game.

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    You have to sell games in order to have used games on the market. I'd like to see evidence of a company going out of business due to used games sales. If sales aren't up to par at launch then you have to drop the price. If sales are still not reaching what's expected then the game is a flop. It's not the 2nd hand market fault. Not to say your game sucked. It just didn't capture people attention.


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    Quote Originally Posted by INFAMOUS8 View Post
    Devs making more money = Devs not going out of business = More Games for us to play


    Either way you look at it... Devs getting more money, and customers still paying the same price.... it's a win-win for gamers and developers.

    Why should Wal-mart or Best Buy get such a huge cut of our money when they put nothing into making the game.
    I don't know. One thing that gets me with developers/publishers is that they still charge the same price for a DD version as they do a physical copy. That's one way to cut down on used game sales, make your DD version a little cheaper so you lessen the amount of used games on the market.

    I get what you're saying though, buy new and support the people who made the game. The problem though is if we force everyone to buy new, we have gamers that cannot afford new games so instead of being able to enjoy three different games they only get one. It may not be thought of as fair for the developer/publisher, but look at every other product out there that people buy and sell as used. Books, consoles, phones, computers, vehicles, homes, clothes, appliances, etc. It's not something new and it's not like the used sales aspect doesn't happen in every other consumer category.

    What's funny are all these developers/publishers who dislike places like GameStop and Best Buy for their used games sales, but you always see them creating special content for those same places. If they were being hurt so bad by those places I don't think they would make those sorts of deals. I want these developers/publishers to be supported by new sales, but I just don't think used sales are the doom and gloom they talk about it being.

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    if DD means cutting the middle man out... does that mean potentially price of new game can be lowered? Devs still get their cut but gamers pay less? gamer paying less per game means more money for more games! can't think of a better scenario




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