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    Braid Dev: New Xbox 'Not Strictly About Games'

    Speaking with Edge Online, Blow notes that the new, still-unknown Xbox 360 successor is “not strictly about games,” leading him to PlayStation 4 as a result.
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    What does it put first?
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    I doubt any console will be just about games anymore. 360 & PS3 are not just about games why would Nxt-Box or PS4 be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaw3d Genius View Post
    I doubt any console will be just about games anymore. 360 & PS3 are not just about games why would Nxt-Box or PS4 be?
    Microsoft could have a good reason to do that for the next Xbox, as they have probably found a market for multimedia focus via Xbox 360. Let's face it; the console has been pushed by Microsoft further and further with every passing year to be as interconnected and media-rich as possible; to be the most used thing in your living room. There also seems to be less and less exclusive content to maintain a unique games library with every passing year. In the first years, 360 gaming produced a fair share first-party games, game exclusivity and acquiring developers for total exclusivity. Nowadays, 360 gaming seems to just be about Kinect, negotiating with third parties for "on Xbox first" content, and updates to Halo and Gears.

    I don't see this as a coincidence.

    I don't think anyone is suggesting that the next Xbox, or any console for that matter, shouldn't be embracing multimedia features. Like you said, it's status quo in this market now. The concern from gamers is whether multimedia is or isn't the main focus. Naturally, gamers want consoles to be about games first and multimedia, while important, as secondary. I can tell you right now that I love movies, but I could care less if my console didn't have the best movie features. I have a computer that also delivers to the level I am looking for in that regard.

    Anyway, it would be an ideal choice for Microsoft. It makes valid business sense, imo. They don't seem to be outpacing PlayStation anymore on a global front, NA is the main landslide stronghold, and Sony appears to have enough first-party support and friendly hardware to have "superior gaming offerings" on lockdown this time. At this point, MS might as well focus on doing what they have done best: overall entertainment.
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    That's the scary part. Whatever it was about the nextbox made him decide to go elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefein View Post
    That's the scary part. Whatever it was about the nextbox made him decide to go elsewhere.
    I guess that's good for core gamers then?

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    I don't think I've heard anything positive from this guy in regards to Microsoft. It's always been bad. I'm not sure if he just hates Microsoft or the 720 is really going to be media hub first and gaming second.

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    This isn't the first dev to complain about how difficult to MS is to work with. Also, he seems to confirm that MS is going to continue the slid that started a few years back. The same 3 "core" games, a bunch of little arcade games, timed exclusive DLC and more stuff like the LeBrons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Man Gamer View Post
    This isn't the first dev to complain about how difficult to MS is to work with. Also, he seems to confirm that MS is going to continue the slid that started a few years back. The same 3 "core" games, a bunch of little arcade games, timed exclusive DLC and more stuff like the LeBrons.

    I'm seriously considering selling my 360 and picking up a PS3.
    I wouldnt go that far. Alot of multiplats are still quite better on the 360. Which is an important advantage when you play alot of 3rd party games. Unless of course theres some PS3 exclusives that you want to play super badly. Otherwise I would just wait for PS4 since next gen MS wont have the better multiplat advantage. Then you'll have more exclusives but without the inferior 3rd party ports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Man Gamer View Post
    This isn't the first dev to complain about how difficult to MS is to work with. Also, he seems to confirm that MS is going to continue the slid that started a few years back. The same 3 "core" games, a bunch of little arcade games, timed exclusive DLC and more stuff like the LeBrons.

    I'm seriously considering selling my 360 and picking up a PS3.
    I'd hardly call what he said as confirmation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    I'd hardly call what he said as confirmation.
    Not only that but what console isnt trying to be the center of the living room? Like somebody already said the current consoles arent just about games and neither will the next ones. Those days are over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radgamer420 View Post
    Not only that but what console isnt trying to be the center of the living room? Like somebody already said the current consoles arent just about games and neither will the next ones. Those days are over.
    I understand his beef with MS but they haven't really said anything about the next gen xbox yet, so I don't get where he gets the:

    ďTo me[,] they talk about a console that is not strictly about games.

    It just sounds like his comments are based on rumors. Those rumors could be true though. We just have to wait until MS show/tell us something

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    It just sounds like his comments are based on rumors. Those rumors could be true though. We just have to wait until MS show/tell us something
    Not all of it is based on rumor, though. I present Exhibit A:
    http://www.edge-online.com/news/phil...uture-of-xbox/

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    Both companies have made their strategies more or less clear and next gen consoles will probably only be an amplification of this...this is certainly the case for Sony whose next gen console "for gamers by game developers" lands in the wake of 10 exclusives for the PS3 this year. MS has been HUGELY successful with its media strategy with the 360, with majority of 360 owners spending just 60% of their time on console playing games and the rest watching stuff. This is why MS has shifted its focus between its heavy hitter exclusives and its media game and is going after things like The Lebrons instead of making more games. This is fine, it has been this gen and it will be next gen...the differentiation in focus will create an interesting differentiation in console experience and variety is the spice of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost-Rhayne View Post
    Both companies have made their strategies more or less clear and next gen consoles will probably only be an amplification of this...this is certainly the case for Sony whose next gen console "for gamers by game developers" lands in the wake of 10 exclusives for the PS3 this year. MS has been HUGELY successful with its media strategy with the 360, with majority of 360 owners spending just 60% of their time on console playing games and the rest watching stuff. This is why MS has shifted its focus between its heavy hitter exclusives and its media game and is going after things like The Lebrons instead of making more games. This is fine, it has been this gen and it will be next gen...the differentiation in focus will create an interesting differentiation in console experience and variety is the spice of life.
    While I do agree with you I think using that 40 percent report is a bit disingenous when you consider Sony reported PS3 as the most used platform for watching Netflix. But otherwise yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radgamer420 View Post
    While I do agree with you I think using that 40 percent report is a bit disingenous when you consider Sony reported PS3 as the most used platform for watching Netflix. But otherwise yeah.
    But it doesn't really matter how much time PS3 gamers spend, cause Sony is still releasing games. It seemingly did matter for 360 cause the company changed focus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost-Rhayne View Post
    But it doesn't really matter how much time PS3 gamers spend, cause Sony is still releasing games. It seemingly did matter for 360 cause the company changed focus.
    You misunderstood my post. I agree about MS change in focus but that report isnt the proof since Sony released a similar report. Sony and MS do the same things media wise but the only difference is that Sony still puts out plenty of core exclusives and new exclusive IPs while still doing the media thing too. Now I'm going to play devils advocate for a second. What if some dont care for Sony's exclusives in the same way you dont care for MS offerings? And if thats the case and the 360 has better looking and playing multiplats then you can see why somebody would go 360. For me personally the 3rd party advantage was more important than having a few more exclusives. But next gen MS wont have that which was the reason 360 was my main console this gen. PS4 will most likely have great 3rd party AND more exclusives which is why I keep saying I'm going PS4 only next gen. That way I'll have one console that will give me both.
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    What's ridiculous about such statements is it applies to PS4 too. Sony isn't strictly about gaming either. They've added services over the years and are going heavy into social networking with Facebook integration on PS4. I don't remember anybody saying Sony was going soft on gaming when they were trying to ram Home down our throats on the PS3. I went in Home TWICE and never returned. It was exclusive games and the blu-ray player for me.

    Sony wants to be the center of entertainment just as much as anyone else. But because Microsoft said publicly that they want to expand on that, somehow gaming is ASSUMED to be seriously shortchanged by such expansion without any evidence to back up such assumptions. Kinda like when Mercedes Benz announces it's adding new entertainment features to their cars. Nobody assumes the driving performance of the car is gonna take a major hit as a result.

    It's a Sony centric website we are on, so not a lot of Microsoft love on here. I get it. The assumption of the worse is to be expected on here. Can't wait for the reveal so the silly speculation will be over. I'll own both consoles so I'll never miss out nor will I care which one is better. Options are sweet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatSpaceKoaster View Post
    What's ridiculous about such statements is it applies to PS4 too. Sony isn't strictly about gaming either. They've added services over the years and are going heavy into social networking with Facebook integration on PS4. I don't remember anybody saying Sony was going soft on gaming when they were trying to ram Home down our throats on the PS3. I went in Home TWICE and never returned. It was exclusive games and the blu-ray player for me.

    Sony wants to be the center of entertainment just as much as anyone else. But because Microsoft said publicly that they want to expand on that, somehow gaming is ASSUMED to be seriously shortchanged by such expansion without any evidence to back up such assumptions. Kinda like when Mercedes Benz announces it's adding new entertainment features to their cars. Nobody assumes the driving performance of the car is gonna take a major hit as a result.

    It's a Sony centric website we are on, so not a lot of Microsoft love on here. I get it. The assumption of the worse is to be expected on here. Can't wait for the reveal so the silly speculation will be over. I'll own both consoles so I'll never miss out nor will I care which one is better. Options are sweet!
    No evidence?

    Sony embraced media content and still managed to release game after game. As I said earlier, its releasing 10 exclusive titles this year, 5 of which are new IPs in the same year that it'll release PS4. While 2012 was a weak year 1st party-wise, Sony has generally pumped out a dozen games a year for the past 4 or so years. It has invested in large titles and has taken many risks. All of this on top of being in a financial slump and being in last place in sales.

    MS embraced media content and for the last 4 or so years stopped investing in anything that wasn't Fable, Forza, Gears or Halo bar the odd cases like Alan Wake. MS is releasing 1 exclusive this year. MS trounced Sony for the first 2 years or so but then slipped. People here spout off that it "clearly wasn't necessary" for MS to skimp on the 1st party side because it had often better performing multiplats, vastly superior online and media and while this may ring true to the benefit of MS's profits, it wasn't so good for the gamer...other than those who may argue that less is more but regardless of all that BS, and regardless of how titles performed, the philosophy of delivering as much games as possible to those who purchased your HD console is something that wasn't a priority for MS who was happy enough to spend half a billion marketing Kinect but not enough to diversify and augment its line up past the onslaught of Kinect titles.

    MS only got into the console business because it wanted to halt Sony's rise to dominance. Sony got into the console business to make games. These origins are can be seen below the surface when you look at how both have sought to express their brand through their products, games and services. MS doesn't need to be a huge content making console manufacturer because it outsold its competition without having to.

    Kempin added the two ways Microsoft was able to start making money on the Xbox was by getting royalties from anyone who developed a game for the console, and through the pay services they offer such as Xbox Live.
    http://www.oxmonline.com/microsoft-g...ness-stop-sony

    This kind of shed some light onto why MS went in this direction. I don't choose to stay a Sony gamer because of brand loyalty, though Sony has looked after me well for 17 years and I am loyal to the brand; its because MS makes very little effort to try and earn its own from me. If its fantastic four don't interest me, what am I going to do? Buy a console that I have to pay to play online, playing multi-plat games that I could play on my PS3 for no additional charge? If MS brings its A game next gen and prove tome through consistency that they care about me, the enthusiast gamer, by investing into new and interesting exclusive content, I'ma go balls deep. But if it relies heavily on 3rd party again, choosing not to make content for me because it's not financially in MS's best interest then I will stay with the company that got in the business to make games and has done this consistently for nearly 2 decades. PS4 is a $#@!ing beast, getting all sorts of developer praise and dev toll support. All the past mistakes of 7th gen have been eradicated and what's left is a company that has only ever had the clear message of being about the core gamer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost-Rhayne View Post
    No evidence?

    Sony embraced media content and still managed to release game after game. As I said earlier, its releasing 10 exclusive titles this year, 5 of which are new IPs in the same year that it'll release PS4. While 2012 was a weak year 1st party-wise, Sony has generally pumped out a dozen games a year for the past 4 or so years. It has invested in large titles and has taken many risks. All of this on top of being in a financial slump and being in last place in sales.
    Not a lot of risk in what Sony are offering you on the PS4. I don't mind you mentioning the fact that Sony are still producing games, but lets face it, if people don't care about inFamous, Killzone, GOW, and LBP that takes out most of Sonys this gen and next gen games, and the evidence is, most people DON'T care about those games.

    Sony's are in as much need of new IP's as MS is. The difference between Halo and those games, is it still sells million.

    BTW, you being completely off base with "12" a year, that's scraping the bottom of the exclusives barrel and adding a few crap "HD editions" and some Japanese games in their to boot. Its still more than MS, but let be realistic here, it closer to 5-7.
    Frankly, based on new, or rebooted IP, I wouldn't by either console right now.

    If the Wii U announced Battlefront 3 as an exclusive, frankly Id buy that over anything MS or Sony are offering me (or rumored to be offering me).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    Not a lot of risk in what Sony are offering you on the PS4. I don't mind you mentioning the fact that Sony are still producing games, but lets face it, if people don't care about inFamous, Killzone, GOW, and LBP that takes out most of Sonys this gen and next gen games, and the evidence is, most people DON'T care about those games.

    Sony's are in as much need of new IP's as MS is. The difference between Halo and those games, is it still sells million.

    BTW, you being completely off base with "12" a year, that's scraping the bottom of the exclusives barrel and adding a few crap "HD editions" and some Japanese games in their to boot. Its still more than MS, but let be realistic here, it closer to 5-7.
    Frankly, based on new, or rebooted IP, I wouldn't by either console right now.

    If the Wii U announced Battlefront 3 as an exclusive, frankly Id buy that over anything MS or Sony are offering me (or rumored to be offering me).
    LMAO



    then this


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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungMullah88 View Post
    LMAO



    then this

    Yeah, because Knack is going to hold up the PS4 on its own huh?
    Denial is funny thing to watch.

    Go play your 16 sequels, you have another 2 waiting in the wings to launch.

    The both need new blood get over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by radgamer420 View Post
    You misunderstood my post. I agree about MS change in focus but that report isnt the proof since Sony released a similar report. Sony and MS do the same things media wise but the only difference is that Sony still puts out plenty of core exclusives and new exclusive IPs while still doing the media thing too. Now I'm going to play devils advocate for a second. What if some dont care for Sony's exclusives in the same way you dont care for MS offerings? And if thats the case and the 360 has better looking and playing multiplats then you can see why somebody would go 360. For me personally the 3rd party advantage was more important than having a few more exclusives. But next gen MS wont have that which was the reason 360 was my main console this gen. PS4 will most likely have great 3rd party AND more exclusives which is why I keep saying I'm going PS4 only next gen. That way I'll have one console that will give me both.
    What an individual wants is irrelevant to my point mon ami. You can't judge a systems output or philosophy on product support based on the anecdotal point of a someone who doesn't like PS3 titles. Of course I am sure there are people out there in this boat, but it's no justification for lackluster in house support. Also, You should know my stance on the worth of a product in the eyes of individuals. The best product is that which satiates the consumer, period. I'm not downplaying the 360 as a console, just its support in comparison to the considerably poorer last place competition.

    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    Not a lot of risk in what Sony are offering you on the PS4. I don't mind you mentioning the fact that Sony are still producing games, but lets face it, if people don't care about inFamous, Killzone, GOW, and LBP that takes out most of Sonys this gen and next gen games, and the evidence is, most people DON'T care about those games.

    Sony's are in as much need of new IP's as MS is. The difference between Halo and those games, is it still sells million.

    BTW, you being completely off base with "12" a year, that's scraping the bottom of the exclusives barrel and adding a few crap "HD editions" and some Japanese games in their to boot. Its still more than MS, but let be realistic here, it closer to 5-7.
    Frankly, based on new, or rebooted IP, I wouldn't by either console right now.

    If the Wii U announced Battlefront 3 as an exclusive, frankly Id buy that over anything MS or Sony are offering me (or rumored to be offering me).
    Mynd, YOU don't care about those games. There is an audience for just about every game in Sony's 1st party catalog.

    We have seen a handful of games at the reveal, and that's it. Sony has already demonstrated that it is more than willing to invest in many risky endeavours this gen and if you are going to bring the reveal titles into it, it's clutching at straws really.

    Sony is in need of new IPs? Like the 5 that are being released this year?

    Ok, I'll leave out HD collections and the JRPGs from my point if it makes you feel better, because the people who wanted those games don't matter.

    You should have bought a PS3...It's like watching someone trying to downplay sex, saying it sucks, just cause they aren't getting any. I'm kidding of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost-Rhayne View Post
    What an individual wants is irrelevant to my point mon ami. You can't judge a systems output or philosophy on product support based on the anecdotal point of a someone who doesn't like PS3 titles. Of course I am sure there are people out there in this boat, but it's no justification for lackluster in house support. Also, You should know my stance on the worth of a product in the eyes of individuals. The best product is that which satiates the consumer, period. I'm not downplaying the 360 as a console, just its support in comparison to the considerably poorer last place competition.



    Mynd, YOU don't care about those games. There is an audience for just about every game in Sony's 1st party catalog.
    Who will likely buy the PS4 already.
    We have seen a handful of games at the reveal, and that's it. Sony has already demonstrated that it is more than willing to invest in many risky endeavours this gen and if you are going to bring the reveal titles into it, it's clutching at straws really.
    All most all of there studios are now officially busy.Not to mention, they always announce their titles before E3. I don't hold out much hope of seeing more new launch titles form SCE themselves. It would be a nice surprise, but they have closed so many studios, and splitting what they have left between PS4 and vita, is a tough ask.
    Sony is in need of new IPs? Like the 5 that are being released this year?

    Ok, I'll leave out HD collections and the JRPGs from my point if it makes you feel better, because the people who wanted those games don't matter.

    You should have bought a PS3...It's like watching someone trying to downplay sex, saying it sucks, just cause they aren't getting any. I'm kidding of course.
    I should have bought a PS3, I dam near did not long ago.
    What I really want is someone to show me game that is going to make me buy their console at, or close to launch.
    Nobody has done that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost-Rhayne View Post
    What an individual wants is irrelevant to my point mon ami. You can't judge a systems output or philosophy on product support based on the anecdotal point of a someone who doesn't like PS3 titles. Of course I am sure there are people out there in this boat, but it's no justification for lackluster in house support. Also, You should know my stance on the worth of a product in the eyes of individuals. The best product is that which satiates the consumer, period. I'm not downplaying the 360 as a console, just its support in comparison to the considerably poorer last place competition.
    Meh. I think youre making a bigger deal out of it than it actually is but whatever. I wasnt trying to justify anything but I was just making the point that to some gamers its not the huge deal that you make it out to be. But since I'm not in the category I described earlier (not liking PS3 titles) and I am getting a PS4 it doesnt really matter anyway. I do agree however that from a first party perspective MS isnt providing as many AAA core offerings as Sony.
    Last edited by mistercrow; 03-10-2013 at 14:59.

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