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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    My personal opinion is that a hardcore gamer is who likes challenge. The games are getting less and less challenging by the day and everything is spoon-fed to you, to the point where people like myself loose interest.

    I want games where I can experience as much realism as possible. It doesn't have to be realism but it has to portray it in some way. It has to give you that feeling.

    So games being difficult or where you have to figure things out on you own completely, is what I consider hardcore. Like Demon's Souls i.e.
    In that case, hardcore gamers like suicidal games.

    Also, I'm not hardcore by that definition. I play games for fun. And I do like a challenge depending on the game. But most games I just like to enact my powers/skills without needing to try too hard.

    I sorta thought that was the point...

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    Quote Originally Posted by admartian View Post
    In that case, hardcore gamers like suicidal games.

    Also, I'm not hardcore by that definition. I play games for fun. And I do like a challenge depending on the game. But most games I just like to enact my powers/skills without needing to try too hard.

    I sorta thought that was the point...
    hehe well in more detail, what I mean is that I hate how Oblivion/Skyrim had fast travel, I want to just travel myself to places but that becomes tedious because the game isn't designed that way, there's not much going on when you're traveling.

    I'd want a game where you don't know where you're going, you just rely on nature to survive and stars to navigate...but how would that happen when we have a bunch of newbs crying about everything lol.

    There's always that one game that still goes for that sort of stuff and that's why I'm still in gaming. If that ever disappeared, I'll probably find another hobby.

    P.S. I played almost the entire playthrough of RDR without the map or crosshairs. The experience was great but I want it to be more realistic where you feel the fatigue of going from one place to another. I want to feel the struggle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    hehe well in more detail, what I mean is that I hate how Oblivion/Skyrim had fast travel, I want to just travel myself to places but that becomes tedious because the game isn't designed that way, there's not much going on when you're traveling.

    I'd want a game where you don't know where you're going, you just rely on nature to survive and stars to navigate...but how would that happen when we have a bunch of newbs crying about everything lol.

    There's always that one game that still goes for that sort of stuff and that's why I'm still in gaming. If that ever disappeared, I'll probably find another hobby.

    P.S. I played almost the entire playthrough of RDR without the map or crosshairs. The experience was great but I want it to be more realistic where you feel the fatigue of going from one place to another. I want to feel the struggle.
    Sounds like you want to play a game like Arma2/DayZ everything, apart from the zombies, in that game is realistic!

    You start with nothing (if you find the right servers) other than a bandage and a bag. Now on a map that is 220 square KM having no map makes it rather difficult to find your way around as you have no idea where you are going and your only chance of knowing where you are is by finding road signs but they all happen to be in Russian or other similar languages.

    You need to keep on top of your hunger, thirst and also warmth. On a huge map you obviously will travel a lot and until you find a Vehicle you'll be doing all that traveling on foot what will run down your hunger and thirst levels depending how fast and far you run. Your hunger and thirst also dictates how fast/far you will run. On the colder maps you need to keep on top of your warmth otherwise you'll freeze so you need to find those heat-packs or at least warm clothes. I wouldn't advise swimming either as that is a sure shot way to catch an infection and need antibiotics.

    Tried to jump off a ledge that is obviously too high? Yup, you are going to break your legs and you won't be walking again until you find some morphine. If you've been shot or hurt you'll start to bleed out and loose your blood until you pass out and die. You need to bandage yourself to prevent loosing any more blood and depending how bad you've been hurt you need to take painkillers otherwise you can't aim well, you just shake everywhere.

    In order to gain blood back you need another player to give you a blood transfusion, that's the easiest way to get back to full health otherwise you need to go hunting for some tasty animals and eat the meat from them to gain a little bit of blood back at a time. You can't hunt though until you've found a hunting knife and you won't be able to eat your food without cooking it so you need to find matches and a hatchet to gather wood and start a camp fire. In the most recent update you also need to boil your water to reduce the chance of being catching an infection - or you can just scavenge for canned drinks.

    If you've been successful enough to find a vehicle you've first got to fix it depending what is broke (you also need to find a tool box for that) and that can be anything from windows, fuel tanks, rotary blades, the frame and wheels. Then even once you've done all of that you still need to make sure the vehicle has fuel (me and my friend once miscalculated how much fuel we had and as we were flying the helicopter back to our hidden base we ran out of fuel and crashed the helicopter and both died, lost a lot of good stuff on that character) for you to get to where you are going, so it's always good to find some jerry cans and have them filled up and stored in the vehicle as you run out of fuel a lot sooner than you think on a map that is so big!

    And my favourite part - once you're dead. You are dead. You start from a new character and it all starts over again. There are so many mechanics I haven't gone in go as I can't remember them but the game is exceptionally deep - things like how your fatigue can effect your shot make the game that little bit more realistic than any other shooter I've ever played. No question about that.

    The world of DayZ is a dangerous and realistic place. You are trying to survive from the elements, avoid the zombies, keep on top of your health, hunger, thirst and warmth all whilst trying to be aware of the most dangerous thing. Players.

    If you've got a PC I can't stress enough how much I can recommend playing this game. If you want realism, you owe it to yourself to play it



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    hehe well in more detail, what I mean is that I hate how Oblivion/Skyrim had fast travel, I want to just travel myself to places but that becomes tedious because the game isn't designed that way, there's not much going on when you're traveling.

    I'd want a game where you don't know where you're going, you just rely on nature to survive and stars to navigate...but how would that happen when we have a bunch of newbs crying about everything lol.

    There's always that one game that still goes for that sort of stuff and that's why I'm still in gaming. If that ever disappeared, I'll probably find another hobby.

    P.S. I played almost the entire playthrough of RDR without the map or crosshairs. The experience was great but I want it to be more realistic where you feel the fatigue of going from one place to another. I want to feel the struggle.
    The game your describing sounds like Zombi U on Wii U lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBettaKnow View Post
    Sounds like you want to play a game like Arma2/DayZ everything, apart from the zombies, in that game is realistic!

    You start with nothing (if you find the right servers) other than a bandage and a bag. Now on a map that is 220 square KM having no map makes it rather difficult to find your way around as you have no idea where you are going and your only chance of knowing where you are is by finding road signs but they all happen to be in Russian or other similar languages.

    You need to keep on top of your hunger, thirst and also warmth. On a huge map you obviously will travel a lot and until you find a Vehicle you'll be doing all that traveling on foot what will run down your hunger and thirst levels depending how fast and far you run. Your hunger and thirst also dictates how fast/far you will run. On the colder maps you need to keep on top of your warmth otherwise you'll freeze so you need to find those heat-packs or at least warm clothes. I wouldn't advise swimming either as that is a sure shot way to catch an infection and need antibiotics.

    Tried to jump off a ledge that is obviously too high? Yup, you are going to break your legs and you won't be walking again until you find some morphine. If you've been shot or hurt you'll start to bleed out and loose your blood until you pass out and die. You need to bandage yourself to prevent loosing any more blood and depending how bad you've been hurt you need to take painkillers otherwise you can't aim well, you just shake everywhere.

    In order to gain blood back you need another player to give you a blood transfusion, that's the easiest way to get back to full health otherwise you need to go hunting for some tasty animals and eat the meat from them to gain a little bit of blood back at a time. You can't hunt though until you've found a hunting knife and you won't be able to eat your food without cooking it so you need to find matches and a hatchet to gather wood and start a camp fire. In the most recent update you also need to boil your water to reduce the chance of being catching an infection - or you can just scavenge for canned drinks.

    If you've been successful enough to find a vehicle you've first got to fix it depending what is broke (you also need to find a tool box for that) and that can be anything from windows, fuel tanks, rotary blades, the frame and wheels. Then even once you've done all of that you still need to make sure the vehicle has fuel (me and my friend once miscalculated how much fuel we had and as we were flying the helicopter back to our hidden base we ran out of fuel and crashed the helicopter and both died, lost a lot of good stuff on that character) for you to get to where you are going, so it's always good to find some jerry cans and have them filled up and stored in the vehicle as you run out of fuel a lot sooner than you think on a map that is so big!

    And my favourite part - once you're dead. You are dead. You start from a new character and it all starts over again. There are so many mechanics I haven't gone in go as I can't remember them but the game is exceptionally deep - things like how your fatigue can effect your shot make the game that little bit more realistic than any other shooter I've ever played. No question about that.

    The world of DayZ is a dangerous and realistic place. You are trying to survive from the elements, avoid the zombies, keep on top of your health, hunger, thirst and warmth all whilst trying to be aware of the most dangerous thing. Players.

    If you've got a PC I can't stress enough how much I can recommend playing this game. If you want realism, you owe it to yourself to play it



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    Damn bro that sounds very intriguing to me. Wish I PC gamed I'd pick it up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeviousOne View Post
    The game your describing sounds like Zombi U on Wii U lol

    I basically define myself as a gamer. Its my hobby just like my car hobby i do call myself a car guy.
    That looks like Dead Island...which I thought was going to be cool but the only game ever that I sold the SAME DAY I bought it. No joke.

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    I've only played the demo of ZombiU Lethal owns the game buts its truly a survival game you get very limited amounts of ammo and weapons.

    I can just see me getting frustrated with that particular game (zombiu) which is why I haven't gotten it

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeviousOne View Post
    I've only played the demo of ZombiU Lethal owns the game buts its truly a survival game you get very limited amounts of ammo and weapons.

    I can just see me getting frustrated with that particular game (zombiu) which is why I haven't gotten it
    I like these kind of games too but what I truly love and enjoy are games like BBK just described where you just suspend belief and feel like you're living it.

    Seeing ARMA 2 and how inefficient that game looks and feels (especially the AI), I don't know if I'd really be into it but that mod does sound very interesting.

    I would definitely love a game like that next-gen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeviousOne View Post
    Damn bro that sounds very intriguing to me. Wish I PC gamed I'd pick it up!
    It is a damn good game, probably the best game i've played in a while and it is only a mod!They are releasing a stand alone version later in the year what should be good too

    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    I like these kind of games too but what I truly love and enjoy are games like BBK just described where you just suspend belief and feel like you're living it.

    Seeing ARMA 2 and how inefficient that game looks and feels (especially the AI), I don't know if I'd really be into it but that mod does sound very interesting.

    I would definitely love a game like that next-gen.
    You really do get lost in that game, it's best played teamed up with a few people i find.

    The Arma2 engine is certainly not a great engine but it's by no means a bad engine. There are a few glitches with the Zombies but they are constantly updating them so they behave a bit better. Now they've changed it so the zombies can't heard gun shots after 120 meters what was one of the best things they could've done because when you have a DMR that has an audible range of about 400m you really had to be careful about when you shot and if any zombies had spawned in a near town (won't be a problem with the stand alone, the are going to be loading up thousands of zombies on the servers, means they could have walking hoards what will be amazing) because otherwise they might hear your shot and come running at you.

    You can run it on relatively everything though, my friend is running it on his laptop that he bought almost 5 years ago, it's a Core 2duo.

    They are making big changes to the standalone but i'd still recommend getting it for the experience. Nothing comes close and nothing offers the same feeling. Half price on steam at the moment.

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    Hmm, I downloaded the demo for PC and that didn't work for me and my PC is kinda crappy but only the video card (an old 7600GS from XX or whatever version), the PC itself is pretty good, so I figured I could run it at low at least, didn't run well at all. I'll try again I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    Hmm, I downloaded the demo for PC and that didn't work for me and my PC is kinda crappy but only the video card (an old 7600GS from XX or whatever version), the PC itself is pretty good, so I figured I could run it at low at least, didn't run well at all. I'll try again I guess.
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    Fuckthat lol. Maybe if I had more time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost-Rhayne View Post
    I always equate hardcore with hobbyist/enthusiast. A hardcore gamer is someone who plays games, visits forums, stays up till 2 a.m to watch console reveals and follows games from announcement to launch. I also equate it with the type of gamer who doesn't turn off the console just because there is a learning curve. The hardcore gamer wants advancement, progression, achievement and mastery. They go balls deep into games. I agree though that the term in general is pretty ambiguous. Whatever you call it, it is a demographic though. The word hardcore means intensely loyal. Are we not intensely loyal to our hobby? To gaming? We are a different breed of gamer than the average Joe who just goes to buy games from the store, who plays to pass a bit of time, who would never consider writing reviews and opinion pieces on the subject...and who thinks the Wii U is a Wii accessory.
    That's a decent way of putting it. I used to be hardcore, but now, I'm more of a hardcore casual. I want to master and be good at games, but in today's gaming world the games are too 'dumb down' for me to take seriously. You're in a world where being helped along all the time is acceptable. Ugh...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tven View Post
    what it all boils down to guys is that we're all gamers, because otherwise we wouldn't be reading this thread or even be a member of these great forums! ...................who's up for a virtual group hug?! *hugs screen*
    Except he's including people that wouldn't even look at this forum as a guest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost-Rhayne View Post
    Yeah, by my definition you are. The device is irrelevant for the most part. The genre of game doesn't qualify a hardcore or casual gamer either imo, it's how into and dedicated they are to the games they play. If I was here as a Wii gamer who loved to play all the dancing, sport and whatever else casual Wii mote or Wii accessory games there are, if I was discussing these games in threads with other like minded gamers and engaging the industry and community like we do here, I would still think of myself as a hardcore gamer. We all have different tastes in how we get our gaming fix so why should a gamer geek be labelled as a casual gamer just because he prefers to get high scores by dancing or working his ass off instead of running around in a bro shooter? I have always said in these kind of discussions that I define hardcore gamers as hobbyist gamers or enthusiasts. The gamer who just plays the yearly CoDs and FIFAs can also easily fall under what I define as a casual gamer.
    I don't want to sound like a troll, nor a flamer starter, but IMO, the genre does define whether one is a hardcore gamer. Gamers that play games that take a long time to learn to play/master, contain lots of strategy and are 50+ hours long, are who I would consider to be the true hardcore gamers.

    Games that come to mind are StarCraft, Tales of Graces f, Final Fantasy, Heavy Rain.

    For some reason, FPSs just don't seem to contain much story (8-10 hours per game is a ripoff). The whole game is just run around and shoot things. Not that hard.

    3rd person games seem to do the best of blending (think Dead Space, Resident Evil 4). Shooting with some serious storyline.

    But, I'm getting off topic. The last thing I wanted to add was that I miss single-player games. I'm so sick and tired of having to log into PSN network or facebook to play my games. That's the whole reason I'm leaving PC gaming and moving to consoles. I LOATHE battle.net and having to constantly be connected to a server just to play a game. and, I don't want to play with anyone, nor share my trophies/achievements/whatever. I want to play alone. In my home. I want to get away from people. Which I think goes back to hardcore gamers. since I identify myself as one, I just want to say, I want to play alone. Not with friends. Does anyone else feel this way? Or am I a minority here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cSpotcU View Post
    I don't want to sound like a troll, nor a flamer starter, but IMO, the genre does define whether one is a hardcore gamer. Gamers that play games that take a long time to learn to play/master, contain lots of strategy and are 50+ hours long, are who I would consider to be the true hardcore gamers.

    Games that come to mind are StarCraft, Tales of Graces f, Final Fantasy, Heavy Rain.

    For some reason, FPSs just don't seem to contain much story (8-10 hours per game is a ripoff). The whole game is just run around and shoot things. Not that hard.

    3rd person games seem to do the best of blending (think Dead Space, Resident Evil 4). Shooting with some serious storyline.

    But, I'm getting off topic. The last thing I wanted to add was that I miss single-player games. I'm so sick and tired of having to log into PSN network or facebook to play my games. That's the whole reason I'm leaving PC gaming and moving to consoles. I LOATHE battle.net and having to constantly be connected to a server just to play a game. and, I don't want to play with anyone, nor share my trophies/achievements/whatever. I want to play alone. In my home. I want to get away from people. Which I think goes back to hardcore gamers. since I identify myself as one, I just want to say, I want to play alone. Not with friends. Does anyone else feel this way? Or am I a minority here?
    I think you are a hardcore gamer. You seem to play games that are challenging. I think challenge and/or the amount you play makes you a hardcore gamer.

    though if you're one of those gamers that play a lot but kiddie games then you're a geek lol. WOOPS opened up a new can of worms!

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    While I do abhor the term 'hardcore' (sounds distasteful to me), there are plenty of people for whom games serve no purpose other than short bursts of entertainment, basically people who play games just to 'kill time', these are the people who I consider casual gamers, as they'd never play a game which would require some more dedication on their part and more skill.

    But I don't consider anyone to be hardcore if he/she plays challenging games.

    I do consider the people who play any game with a deep level of dedication - and not just to pass the time - to be the core gamers, because they form the core audience of any franchise or a console or even a single game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacksite View Post
    I don't mind hardcore gamer being thrown around if it's used to define someone who is passionate about video games, like Ghost-Rhayne described. I find labels like "girl gamer" to be more childish and self-entitled.
    Why is the label "childish and self-entitled"? Most gamers are guys and women are in the minority. There's nothing wrong with "girl gamer". What girl gamers go around expecting entitlements?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PS3-The Ultimate Machine View Post
    While I do abhor the term 'hardcore' (sounds distasteful to me), there are plenty of people for whom games serve no purpose other than short bursts of entertainment, basically people who play games just to 'kill time', these are the people who I consider casual gamers, as they'd never play a game which would require some more dedication on their part and more skill.

    But I don't consider anyone to be hardcore if he/she plays challenging games.

    I do consider the people who play any game with a deep level of dedication - and not just to pass the time - to be the core gamers, because they form the core audience of any franchise or a console or even a single game.
    That's semantics. If you want to call them core gamers, that's fine. I don't see the difference. Same for casuals or average or mainstream or non-gamers. basically the point is that there are two kinds of gamers.
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    Why is the label "childish and self-entitled"? Most gamers are guys and women are in the minority. There's nothing wrong with "girl gamer". What girl gamers go around expecting entitlements?
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    It used to be "BlackHummingBird". Why do you ask?

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    Why is the label "childish and self-entitled"? Most gamers are guys and women are in the minority. There's nothing wrong with "girl gamer". What girl gamers go around expecting entitlements?
    I am talking about the so-called girl gamers who feel the need to draw attention to themselves every chance they get. The term "girl gamer" is childish in that it reduces you to a statistic. No one should care whether or not you're part of a minority when you enjoy playing games like everyone else.
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    It used to be "BlackHummingBird". Why do you ask?
    Just curious, I was expecting it to be more feminine but I guess that's fair. I also don't like it when girls have names like, "Babygirlcutefaceangel".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    Just curious, I was expecting it to be more feminine but I guess that's fair. I also don't like it when girls have names like, "Babygirlcutefaceangel".
    I don't like that either. That name is funny to me. XD

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