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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyClaw View Post
    They did say that, but I am wondering how that is all going to work, I wonder if it just hibernates the last game you played or maybe the games will be allowed to be loaded onto the hard drive for faster access...guess I will have to wait until E3 for those details!
    Must be similar thing to Windows hibernate or hybrid sleep which stores th data in both RAM and on the hard drive. Also makes me think that all games are installed or can be installed to the hard drive otherwesie its an extra few senconds for the Bluray to spin up to speed as well as the hard drive.

    Hibernation is a power-saving state designed primarily for laptops. While sleep puts your work and settings in memory and draws a small amount of power, hibernation puts your open documents and programs on your hard disk, and then turns off your computer. Of all the power-saving states in Windows, hibernation uses the least amount of power. On a laptop, use hibernation when you know that you won't use your laptop for an extended period and won't have an opportunity to charge the battery during that time.

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    is designed primarily for desktop computers. Hybrid sleep is a combination of sleep and hibernate—it puts any open documents and programs in memory and on your hard disk, and then puts your computer into a low-power state so that you can quickly resume your work. That way, if a power failure occurs, Windows can restore your work from your hard disk. When hybrid sleep is turned on, putting your computer into sleep automatically puts your computer into hybrid sleep. Hybrid sleep is typically turned on by default on desktop computers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyClaw View Post
    They did say that, but I am wondering how that is all going to work, I wonder if it just hibernates the last game you played or maybe the games will be allowed to be loaded onto the hard drive for faster access...guess I will have to wait until E3 for those details!
    Oh I get you, I was thinking like the title screen will come on for a second or two then the gameplay would start

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    Quote Originally Posted by keefy View Post
    Must be similar thing to Windows hibernate or hybrid sleep which stores th data in both RAM and on the hard drive. Also makes me think that all games are installed or can be installed to the hard drive otherwesie its an extra few senconds for the Bluray to spin up to speed as well as the hard drive.


    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/w...sked-questions
    Now that I'm reading your post, it'll probably be like how they have their new Vaios. I have one and it starts up super quick and when it's hibernating just opening it quickly gets me on my way
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    The system would have to be perfectly balanced to have no bottleneck. I just don't see how that is remotely possible.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Fijiandoce View Post
    what's with this abhorrent admiration for 60fps??
    Agreed. I prefer 30fps for shooters.

    After just finishing RAGE which was at 60fps on the 360, that game made me dizzy so had to take constant breaks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ps3freak18 View Post
    The system would have to be perfectly balanced to have no bottleneck. I just don't see how that is remotely possible.
    Of course it's still going to have some minor bottlenecks, but probably nothing major like PS3's split RAM or weak GPU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    Of course it's still going to have some minor bottlenecks, but probably nothing major like PS3's split RAM or weak GPU.
    Exactly. Just too much of a statement considering the bottlenecks will be there. But like you said nowhere near the PS3.




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    Sony's first party developers are going to do work on the PS4. Also, third party developers won't have any excuses for being lazy this time around.


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    Amazing news...so we'l be getting 60fps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaw3d Genius View Post
    Amazing news...so we'l be getting 60fps?
    No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitey View Post
    No.
    Why not if GG are stating they have no performance bottlenecks?

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    Thief and GGs own game, KZ4, are 30fps confirmed. Interesting question on your part though

    It boils down to developers preferring to extract prettier graphics from their games over maintaining 60fps. Whilst I don't agree with it, as I love the feel of 60fps - you can't slap on the back of a game box "..Best 60fps game at E3" or similar. It's just not a selling point I guess, whereas graphics are
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaw3d Genius View Post
    Why not if GG are stating they have no performance bottlenecks?
    Why is everyone assuming we'll get 60fps just because of no bottlenecks?

    A glass without a literal bottleneck doesn't mean it will hold infinite water

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaw3d Genius View Post
    Amazing news...so we'l be getting 60fps?
    Cool expectations bro.

    Seriously read this post from Kelemit for a fair explanation of what GG were alluding to.

    Quote Originally Posted by itachi73378 View Post
    Why is everyone assuming we'll get 60fps just because of no bottlenecks?

    A glass without a literal bottleneck doesn't mean it will hold infinite water
    You're right. But it's more fun to have a go at GG though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by admartian View Post
    Agreed. I prefer 30fps for shooters.

    After just finishing RAGE which was at 60fps on the 360, that game made me dizzy so had to take constant breaks.
    That's probably the first and last time I'll ever hear someone say that


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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBettaKnow View Post
    That's probably the first and last time I'll ever hear someone say that


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    Hand on heart it does. 60 fps (at least for FPS/shooters) give me weird dizziness. In sports games and pretty much other games it's totally fine.

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    If all the hardware is equally matched for speeds I don't think you will see any massive bottlenecks.

    PS4 has little to no competition.

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    The system specs looks good, I just hope the games will to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by admartian View Post
    Hand on heart it does. 60 fps (at least for FPS/shooters) give me weird dizziness. In sports games and pretty much other games it's totally fine.
    Rage is definitely screwed up. So was the bf4 and uncharted 3 60fps videos. Idk what the correct term is but it looked too fast. I'd rather have 30fps too if they can't get it to look right. COD doesn't give me the feeling of those games. Idk what they are doing differently to not give it the same weird speed that's found in the other games I mentioned.




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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBettaKnow View Post
    That's probably the first and last time I'll ever hear someone say that


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    Quote Originally Posted by admartian View Post
    Hand on heart it does. 60 fps (at least for FPS/shooters) give me weird dizziness. In sports games and pretty much other games it's totally fine.
    I can understand some people not liking 60fps in some cases.

    For example, I hate 120hz TVs, I prefer movies in 24hz or whatever frame rate they come in.
    Quote Originally Posted by F34R View Post
    That's a claim they had better back up with what they release. I think it's a claim that shouldn't have been made.

    I guess we'll see a 1080p 60fps game from them that is absolutely amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naxi View Post
    That can be true, it can be a perfectly balanced system. It doesn't mean perfect games though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelemit View Post
    Lack of bottleneck = balanced system, it seems, in this quote... No one component so outstrips another that the overpowered unit is left idle without anything to do the majority of time.

    So yes, your claim is true that everything has a bottleneck except something with infinite power.... Which, using that definition, makes the claim ludicrous, agreed...

    I wonder though if they are simply claiming a very well balanced system...


    And a check of OP confirms... Claim is of balance, not infinite power.

    Ie. each part won't overpower another, thus create a bottleneck because of the overpowered part...
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    I think it may be a case of just not being used to it. We recently purchased a bravia TV which has some motionflow 400hz or some **** and it makes movie scenes look way too smooth that it looks fake? Not sure how else to explain it, but those were my initial reactions. But I've since gotten used to it and it seems fine

    You wouldnt enjoy GT5 at 30fps at first, it would feel weird whilst being perfectly playable

    That's how I see it anyways

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaw3d Genius View Post
    Why not if GG are stating they have no performance bottlenecks?
    Quote Originally Posted by itachi73378 View Post
    Why is everyone assuming we'll get 60fps just because of no bottlenecks?

    A glass without a literal bottleneck doesn't mean it will hold infinite water
    what itachi said

    i think people are misunderstanding the nature of a bottleneck

    i REALLY don't see the craze with 60fps tbh. why do people want it so bad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitey View Post
    I think it may be a case of just not being used to it. We recently purchased a bravia TV which has some motionflow 400hz or some **** and it makes movie scenes look way too smooth that it looks fake? Not sure how else to explain it, but those were my initial reactions. But I've since gotten used to it and it seems fine

    You wouldnt enjoy GT5 at 30fps at first, it would feel weird whilst being perfectly playable

    That's how I see it anyways
    I can get used to it...the reason why it looks weird is because it's more realistic than what we're used to.

    60fps is more realistic than 24 fps. But what our eyes see, not sure, never looked into it but likely far more than 120fps even.

    The only reason I say that I don't like it is because movies weren't designed to be 120fps. But in the future, if a movie comes out with that frame rate then I won't mind. Something odd about watching an older movie on 120hz...I think likely because it's being upscaled (for the lack of a more accurate/geeky word) to 120fps or just that I'm not used to it.

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