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    Killzone developer defends PS4 against PC trolls.

    http://www.techradar.com/us/news/gam...rolls--1143537


    Guerilla Games' Technical Director Michiel Van Der Leeuw has batted away claims that the PlayStation 4 is little more than a high-end PC in a games console package.

    "The fact that the best pieces of [PS4] hardware are also devised from, or optimised versions of, the stuff we find in PCs doesn't make it any less a console," the Killzone man told Edge.

    He then talked more specifically about members of the gaming community who have accused the PS4 of being just a PC in console clothing: "That's difficult because people are trolling, right. What do you say to a troll? You don't feed the trolls, that'll make them grow."

    Don't feed the trolls. It's valid advice. Of course, it makes sense for Leeuw to defend the console as he then went on to explain how Guerilla Games played an instrumental role in the creation of the PS4, including making at least five changes to the graphics chip, CPU and bandwidth between components.

    "I think it was for more than a year that we knew the main ingredients and there was just discussion after discussion trying to find a bottleneck," he said, revealing that Guerilla ran Killzone 3 and early Killzone 4 art assets through simulators to test prospective hardware.

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    Debate has raged over the PS4's specs ever since it was announced, with both Nvidia and the console's CPU/GPU provider - AMD - attacking and defending certain components to TechRadar at different junctures. Leeuw's comments, despite his troll warning, should add even more fuel to the fire.

    Also revealed by Edge was that Evolution Studios, the team behind MotorStorm and the upcoming DriveClub, played a significant part in putting the PS4 together too - namely on its DualShock 4 controller.

    "We were instrumental in securing the specific gyro components that [will] go in the DualShock 4," said Evolution's Technical Director Scott Kirkland, explaining that the company wanted controllers with high frequency gyros. It also helped shape the triggers and analogue sticks.

    "So we put a very compelling case forward to the guys in Japan, they listened and they're the components that are in the DualShock 4."

    The controller's triggers were developed alongside input from Guerilla, but Kirkland admitted there had to be some "compromise" between the studios over how they should function and feel.

    "But the controller sits on the desk beautifully," he said. "It doesn't accidentally press the triggers, [and] they've got really nice resistance to them."
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    PC lol. As far as i'm concerned that platform has been irrelevant since the beginning of time. Great platform, just doesn't have the games to stack up to consoles.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coconut_Crunch View Post
    "But the controller sits on the desk beautifully," he said. "It doesn't accidentally press the triggers, [and] they've got really nice resistance to them."
    This is what the article should have been about. $#@! yeah, non-$#@!ty triggers!

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    PC lol. As far as i'm concerned that platform has been irrelevant since the beginning of time. Great platform, just doesn't have the games to stack up to consoles.
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    Defends against trolls? There's no point in doing this. It's like trying to shoot a horde of Walkers. Best to just duck and hide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapture View Post
    This is what the article should have been about. $#@! yeah, non-$#@!ty triggers!



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    Quote Originally Posted by admartian View Post
    Defends against trolls? There's no point in doing this. It's like trying to shoot a horde of Walkers. Best to just duck and hide.
    This lol.

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    If the triggers were shaped by Evo Studio's then it should be amazing for racing games, Right now the DS has such litttle movement for racing games, The pad should be Sony's best yet thank god!!

    Very good idea getting devs to design the controller as it seemed Sony had lost imagination when it came to it.

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    You know, those "trolls" have a point. All they did was take a bunch of PC components and came up with their own Frankenstein version. No one's denying that the system is still customized. Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I'm thinking, $300-$400 max price point.

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    Yeah it's going to be much cheaper than PS3, With the worlds financial state it has to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morganator View Post
    You know, those "trolls" have a point. All they did was take a bunch of PC components and came up with their own Frankenstein version. No one's denying that the system is still customized. Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I'm thinking, $300-$400 max price point.

    I don't see how PC guys can troll that factor in. That is like a PC person trolling the other PC person, then again that is what trolling is. I personally think if people are going to troll, at least make sense of it. like before, A PC person trolling another PC person because he's using a PC isn't successful trolling, it's not really trolling It's just being a jackass.
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    PS3=Sony was so $#@!ing stupid to make a hard to program for console TROLOLOLO look at dem 3rd party games sucking ass
    PS4=Sony is using PC parts with x86 architecture that will make development easy as $#@!? $#@! you Sony!



    I LOVE that PS4 was so developer driven.

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    To be fair it is a PC however because it's frozen, developers know that when using low level programming it will work on all machines - something the PC can't ever have.

    Quote Originally Posted by TDbank24 View Post
    As far as i'm concerned that platform has been irrelevant since the beginning of time.
    No PC no console.

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    Let's say it is a PC; so what?
    All the time I've heard people say how much more advanced PCs are compared to consoles, so what is the problem of having a super PC for console gaming? Plus it has nice tweaks and improvements that make a difference, plus it will have the software to back it up, plus you don't have to keep upgrading your graphics card and what not; so what is there to hate?

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    I'd never have thought a console being like a 'high end' PC would be made or taken as an insult. As far as I'm concerned, it's a massive compliment! I'd very much like my console games to look as good on PlayStation as they do on my rig.

    If PlayStation 4 puts us one step closer to that, I'm all for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coconut_Crunch View Post
    I don't see how PC guys can troll that factor in. That is like a PC person trolling the other PC person, then again that is what trolling is. I personally think if people are going to troll, at least make sense of it. like before, A PC person trolling another PC person because he's using a PC isn't successful trolling, it's not really trolling It's just being a jackass.
    They can. For instance, PS4 uses a customized but inferior APU processor which is all true. It's about pointing out that the PS4, despite being PC-like, is still inferior to that of a proper PC.I don't see it as trolling or being a jackass. I see it as pointing out facts. It's only considered trolling because there are too many, "nuh-uh, consolez are bettarz" individuals.

    Just saying.

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    Perhaps they wouldn't have to defend themselves against "PC trolls" if they would stop making ludicrous claims like "there are no bottlenecks".


    Or should I believe that every PS4 game they produce will be in 1080p with 4X MSAA, 64-bit HDR, a minimum of 60FPS, and support 3D output? After all, the only reason they couldn't do that is if they ran into a bottleneck that prevented them from doing so, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Completely Average View Post
    Perhaps they wouldn't have to defend themselves against "PC trolls" if they would stop making ludicrous claims like "there are no bottlenecks".


    Or should I believe that every PS4 game they produce will be in 1080p with 4X MSAA, 64-bit HDR, a minimum of 60FPS, and support 3D output? After all, the only reason they couldn't do that is if they ran into a bottleneck that prevented them from doing so, right?
    Instead of saying "it has no bottlenecks" they should of just said "a very well technically balanced system"

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    Quote Originally Posted by TDbank24 View Post
    PC lol. As far as i'm concerned that platform has been irrelevant since the beginning of time. Great platform, just doesn't have the games to stack up to consoles.
    What do u think dev use when they make console games?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyClaw View Post
    Instead of saying "it has no bottlenecks" they should of just said "a very well technically balanced system"
    That would certainly have been much more accurate.

    But claiming it has no bottlenecks is essentially claiming it has no limitations on what it can do, and that's definitely going to draw fire from anyone who knows better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morganator View Post
    They can. For instance, PS4 uses a customized but inferior APU processor which is all true. It's about pointing out that the PS4, despite being PC-like, is still inferior to that of a proper PC.I don't see it as trolling or being a jackass. I see it as pointing out facts. It's only considered trolling because there are too many, "nuh-uh, consolez are bettarz" individuals.

    Just saying.
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    To be honest, PC gamers have always seen themselves as supreme beings. "keyBw0aARD and MU0u53 4evaa!!!" crowd, need to sit down and play some games on a sofa in their living rooms with their families... they might find other things to care about than pixel counts and 240fps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TDbank24 View Post
    PC lol. As far as i'm concerned that platform has been irrelevant since the beginning of time. Great platform, just doesn't have the games to stack up to consoles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Completely Average View Post
    That would certainly have been much more accurate.

    But claiming it has no bottlenecks is essentially claiming it has no limitations on what it can do, and that's definitely going to draw fire from anyone who knows better.
    I can see how people can look into the statement wrong, but what they were meaning that is that no one part of the system is going to severely drag down the rest of the system like it did with the PS3. I have a feeling every component in the system is going to nicely complement each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by victorijapoosp View Post
    To be honest, PC gamers have always seen themselves as supreme beings. "keyBw0aARD and MU0u53 4evaa!!!" crowd, need to sit down and play some games on a sofa in their living rooms with their families... they might find other things to care about than pixel counts and 240fps.
    We don't see ourselves as supreme beings, we see ourselves as wanting to have the best experience as possible and we want our hardware pushed, when developers frequently port games across we tend to get the rough end of the stick which is why we get so annoyed. And we only go "mouse and keyboard" for a few genres like FPS, RTS, TBS, and a few others but you forget something, PC gamers love peripherals.

    But before you say anything just because the PS4 is a PC, it doesn't mean it's not innovative and what they're doing is quite amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varsh View Post
    We don't see ourselves as supreme beings, we see ourselves as wanting to have the best experience as possible and we want our hardware pushed, when developers frequently port games across we tend to get the rough end of the stick which is why we get so annoyed. And we only go "mouse and keyboard" for a few genres like FPS, RTS, TBS, and a few others but you forget something, PC gamers love peripherals.

    But before you say anything just because the PS4 is a PC, it doesn't mean it's not innovative and what they're doing is quite amazing.
    While the architecture of the system is PC like, all the other components (OS, RAM setup, bus designs, modified APU, etc.) are all different that what you will find in your everyday household PC, meaning it is going to be a finely tuned game system! I can't wait to see what developers do with it!

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