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    What about that conspiracy theory that George Bush was in on 9/11 and he declared war so he could get those people's oil? Can someone please debunk that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Wolf View Post
    What about that conspiracy theory that George Bush was in on 9/11 and he declared war so he could get those people's oil? Can someone please debunk that?
    Theres is nothing to support that. Thats like saying unicorns existed. Debunk that.
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    Why would anyone reasonably believe it wasn't a plane? What evidence is there to ever suggest otherwise? There's not any. Not a single bit.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Wolf View Post
    What about that conspiracy theory that George Bush was in on 9/11 and he declared war so he could get those people's oil? Can someone please debunk that?
    The US never went into the Middle East for oil. That's a common misconception.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuuichi View Post
    Theres is nothing to support that. Thats like saying unicorns existed. Debunk that.
    Does there have to be support for it to be a conspiracy theory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Wolf View Post
    Does there have to be support for it to be a conspiracy theory?
    Of course. Otherwise it's a baseless lie.

    Oh wait...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapture View Post
    Why would anyone reasonably believe it wasn't a plane? What evidence is there to ever suggest otherwise? There's not any. Not a single bit.



    The US never went into the Middle East for oil. That's a common misconception.
    No videos of the plane hitting, or even being near it. No actual pictures of substantial plane debris. I'm with admartian.

    I can't believe for one second that there isn't video footage from countless spots that shows a plane heading towards the Pentagon.




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    And I'm still trying to figure out where flight 77 went. This must be a mystery for Scooby and the gang.

    Oh wait, here we go:
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    I didn't see a plane in that video. Sorry. You'd think you would see the plane at some point.




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    Now you're just being unnecessarily difficult. Really, must I spoon feed you?

    Hint: The place appears in frame right before the explosion, at the 0:25 mark.
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    The frame rate is low probably 1 or 2 per second so the plane travelling at 400KMH which equals 110 meters per second can easy be in one frame then not be in another frame as we saw.
    Not sure how fast panes travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapture View Post
    Now you're just being unnecessarily difficult. Really, must I spoon feed you?

    Hint: The place appears in frame right before the explosion, at the 0:25 mark.
    I freeze-framed it - it's tiny as bro!

    I'm sure a plane (even distorted by a combination of a) poor surveillance image and b) speed of the plane) wouldn't be significantly smaller than the Pentagon building.

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    Really, the distant plane appears small? Huh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapture View Post
    Really, the distant plane appears small? Huh.
    smartass.

    It's not that distant (I don't think). don't break your neck lest you fall of that high horse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapture View Post
    Really, the distant plane appears small? Huh.
    LOL reminds me of Father Ted "These are small but the ones out there are far away"


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    Quote Originally Posted by F34R View Post
    Almost 12 years on and people still think a plane hit the Pentagon. Really? ...Really?

    yadda yadda....

    I just don't believe a plane hit the Pentagon, and there wasn't any real evidence that a plane hit it. Where is the plane? I mean, really... the body, tail, wings... NEVER SEEN.
    You mean no evidence *except* the pieces of skin from the plane around the crash site (knocked off from hitting poles), the pieces of engine at the crash site, the hardened louvers that control the ailerons in the wings actually inside the pentagon, the multiple burned bodies of passengers that were in the plane inside the crash site.

    Yeah...except those.

    And FWIW most people say "where's teh wreckage" are thinking about a normal plane crash...where the pilot is trying to slow down and land it as gently as possible. This is the complete opposite: Going in full throttle to create the most damage possible. Of course the plane was pretty much obliterated.

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    Popular Mechanics extensively debunked the 9/11 myths.

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...y/news/1227842

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    *sigh* like I said, it's not about believing in myths or conspiracies. It's about seeing an actual, distinguishable plane. Stop hammering on about myth believers and conspiracies because all that does is to try and undermine the point I'm trying to make - which is there is no clear evidence. I';m sorry if that's hard to understand - but there is a difference in wanting to see evidence and believing in fairy tales.

    Just a small blur of stuff and explosions

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    Quote Originally Posted by admartian View Post
    smartass.

    It's not that distant (I don't think). don't break your neck lest you fall of that high horse.
    Considering the angle of entry, and the size of the plane compared to the Pentagon, I don't see how it appears too small. At about 900-1,000 feet away, that seems about right to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F34R View Post
    No videos of the plane hitting, or even being near it. No actual pictures of substantial plane debris. I'm with admartian.

    I can't believe for one second that there isn't video footage from countless spots that shows a plane heading towards the Pentagon.

    There's also no footage of a cruise missile hitting the pentagon either...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapture View Post
    Now you're just being unnecessarily difficult. Really, must I spoon feed you?

    Hint: The place appears in frame right before the explosion, at the 0:25 mark.
    There really isn't any need for that.

    I looked really long at the video, and went frame by frame. This is all I could see.



    This is the first frame from .24 to .25 in the time.


    A couple frame steps after .25, and there is an object.


    21 frame steps after .25.


    22 frame steps after .25.


    Is that the plane?


    Quote Originally Posted by Rekmon View Post
    There's also no footage of a cruise missile hitting the pentagon either...
    I never said it was a missile.




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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Wolf View Post
    What about that conspiracy theory that George Bush was in on 9/11 and he declared war so he could get those people's oil? Can someone please debunk that?
    We went to war because of oil but not in the way you're all thinking about. We didn't go in to physically steal the oil. We went in because Saddam Hussein threatened to stop trading oil in dollars and was pushing to trade oil in euros. This would have had a cascade effect in how the rest of the middle east traded with us. Saddam posed no threat to us militarily. Saddam posed a threat to our dollar hegemony. Trading oil in euros would have had wide-ranging negative economic effects on the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapture View Post
    Considering the angle of entry, and the size of the plane compared to the Pentagon, I don't see how it appears too small. At about 900-1,000 feet away, that seems about right to me.
    It doesn't seem that far away at all. I'd say half that distance. Considering it was a sizeable apssenger plane and not an Airbus, I'd think it'd be larger than what we saw.

    And tbf, that blur kinda looked like it was running (or flying./hovering) at near ground level parallel to the ground (kinda like acar would except without touching the surface).
    Question: Wouldn;t a plane be coming at some sort of angle?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rekmon View Post
    There's also no footage of a cruise missile hitting the pentagon either...
    I didn't say it was a missile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F34R View Post
    Is that the plane?
    No offense, but that was a lot of effort just to ask something that's obvious. Yes, of course that's the plane.

    Quote Originally Posted by admartian View Post
    It doesn't seem that far away at all. I'd say half that distance. Considering it was a sizeable apssenger plane and not an Airbus, I'd think it'd be larger than what we saw.
    Based on the quality of the footage, how can you possibly make that judgement whatsoever? And I know it's (roughly) that distance because the Pentagon's sides are each 921 feet long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapture View Post
    No offense, but that was a lot of effort just to ask something that's obvious. Yes, of course that's the plane.



    Based on the quality of the footage, how can you possibly make that judgement whatsoever? And I know it's (roughly) that distance because the Pentagon's sides are each 921 feet long.
    It wasn't too much effort compared to the constant insults from others. Just watching the video, I couldn't see that object. After your spoon feeding, thanks for that btw, I can see a white looking object.

    That being said, I still think there would be some better footage considering the high security nature of that place, or businesses around there, etc. Never know.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapture View Post
    No offense, but that was a lot of effort just to ask something that's obvious. Yes, of course that's the plane.



    Based on the quality of the footage, how can you possibly make that judgement whatsoever? And I know it's (roughly) that distance because the Pentagon's sides are each 921 feet long.
    Fair enough - then if that's the case, the plane seems to be significantly smaller - and based on your measurements, it only looks like about the size of a bus.

    Like I said, it doesn't look like a plane.

    I don't see what's so offensive about that... And no need to be all uppity about it either. Just saying.

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