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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Man Gamer View Post
    I'm curious who complained more Xbox owners or PS owners who were never going to get the One?
    Looking at the preorder difference for the systems I'd think we're safe in assumingt that Xbox owners were *just as* vocal about it as PS owners.

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    No a vocal minority and journalists got your right to own the product you paid 60 bucks for and be able to share, sell and do what you please.
    Microsoft and only Microsoft took away the family plan and being able to share digital titles, there was no reason to remove it.
    People need to stop blaming others and point the finger where it belongs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TGO View Post
    No a vocal minority and journalists got your right to own the product you paid 60 bucks for and be able to share, sell and do what you please.

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    keep telling yourself that.

    in other news. I've bought more digital games this year than any other.
    remind me, how do I share, sell and do what I please with them?

    dinosaurs went extinct for a reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yungstar 2006 View Post
    dinosaurs went extinct for a reason.
    That analogy failed in so many ways..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yungstar 2006 View Post
    keep telling yourself that.

    in other news. I've bought more digital games this year than any other.
    remind me, how do I share, sell and do what I please with them?

    dinosaurs went extinct for a reason.
    Everybody knows we are travelling very quickly into an all digital future. You are incredibly naive to think that it will be a future where you can share and sell your digital games. This entire debacle was about microsoft taking away your rights and stopping used games. They wern't going to stop used games just so you could share them around digitally lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_jim View Post
    Everybody knows we are travelling very quickly into an all digital future. You are incredibly naive to think that it will be a future where you can share and sell your digital games. This entire debacle was about microsoft taking away your rights and stopping used games. They wern't going to stop used games just so you could share them around digitally lol
    edit:that's the truth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    Because it increases the chances of others purchasing the game if they like it with a digital download. This works for new and older titles and they get the profits. This is much better than someone taking their used copy to gamestop and them getting nothing. And what is this stuff about glorified demo? Did you guys think that they were gonna actually let 10 people play the whole game at no cost?...lol That would be stupid and even worse than what gamestop is doing to them. Maybe MS should of gone into more detail but come on dude. No one is gonna give away free games like that. There are no free games with family sharing.
    No I seemed to be the only one round here who didn't believe that. Whilst you lot were getting giddy at the thought of gamesharing with 10 of your mates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yungstar 2006 View Post
    keep telling yourself that.

    in other news. I've bought more digital games this year than any other.
    remind me, how do I share, sell and do what I please with them?

    dinosaurs went extinct for a reason.
    What are you on about?
    I'd like to know what you keep telling yourself.

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    Oh god, what a $#@! post. All of this would still be possible for (digital) games if Microsoft wasn't so greedy. Also, some of his arguments are... $#@!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yungstar 2006 View Post
    dinosaurs went extinct for a reason.
    This analogy doesn't make any sense....but in terms of digital being the future...I'm sure it is. As of right now though....hard drives aren't big enough for their ambitions and neither are internet infrastructures. Not even close in all reality. And even in the future with tons of digital downloads, there will still be those consumers that want a hard copy of whatever they're purchasing, to fulfill that primal satisfaction of actually obtaining something physically. They'll still exist.


    Ultimately people will realize that this DRM thing was just another way of getting more into your wallet than normal. Big business has the overall goal of licensing everything they sell to you(so that you legally do not own it..which is bull$#@!) so that eventually they are the only place you can go to get the product. It will eliminate competition and destroy many other smaller vendors. I hope that day never happens, because a company who is in complete control can and will raise prices without you having the ability to do anything about it.

    Wal-Mart currently does a brick and mortar version of this practice now. They'll move into an area and completely destroy the competition with their low prices and once those competing businesses are gone, they jack up their prices. Why? Because they can and they know you have little to no alternative to them.


    I don't really need a water cooler/remote control as of right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyn View Post
    No I seemed to be the only one round here who didn't believe that. Whilst you lot were getting giddy at the thought of gamesharing with 10 of your mates.
    I like the idea and how it's implemented. I can't speak for anyone else, but for me it was about not having to deal with gamestop.

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    So many assumptions in that article.

    Anyway, could someone explain to me why they can't, all of a sudden, have those features anymore?

    It makes no sense to me how removing DRM would cause all that.

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    I buy digital content as well but only when it's discounted. I can't belive the number people willing to fork over $60 for a full game.

    I know 2 or 3 in this thread do but I won't until I can't buy it any other way.

    Amazon and eBay are my go to places. I'll also go to Best Buy in a pinch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyn View Post
    No I seemed to be the only one round here who didn't believe that. Whilst you lot were getting giddy at the thought of gamesharing with 10 of your mates.
    Funny how that you mentioned that. I don't recall ever seeing anyone saying that it was probably just a demo. I might have missed them but it seemed everyone was under the impression that MS was giving you 10 copies of the game to hand out.




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    If you check Major Nelson's twitter bio he actually jokes about it too lol

    It reads:

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    Working on the Xbox team flipping switches since 2003 & Tweeting since 2006.


    I've always liked Major Nelson, he seems to a decent man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyn View Post
    No I seemed to be the only one round here who didn't believe that. Whilst you lot were getting giddy at the thought of gamesharing with 10 of your mates.
    Quote Originally Posted by Old Man Gamer View Post
    I buy digital content as well but only when it's discounted. I can't belive the number people willing to fork over $60 for a full game.

    I know 2 or 3 in this thread do but I won't until I can't buy it any other way.

    Amazon and eBay are my go to places. I'll also go to Best Buy in a pinch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ps3freak18 View Post
    Funny how that you mentioned that. I don't recall ever seeing anyone saying that it was probably just a demo. I might have missed them but it seemed everyone was under the impression that MS was giving you 10 copies of the game to hand out.
    Indeed. Some still seem to be under that impression.

    Honestly look at it logically, it sounds utterly insane. MS are out of touch but they aint insane

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefein View Post
    Some people just love to be dominated and punished.
    Or maybe some people weigh the value of a system and come to a different conclusion. I don't think the people that disagree with my conclusion are idiots (at least not inherently), but I do feel that they are mistaken.

    I personally found the system on the One to be superior to Steam which people seem to love.

    I would put more fault on MS than the author does, but I do feel that there was a lot of knee-jerk, echo chamber hate that got out of control before we even knew the details of the whole system.

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    Details we didn't know that MS didn't want to let us know. It's their own damn fault. But either way, the DRM policies were horrifying...and they can still give these features, not sure why they wouldn't now. Unless someone can present a good reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    Details we didn't know that MS didn't want to let us know. It's their own damn fault. But either way, the DRM policies were horrifying...and they can still give these features, not sure why they wouldn't now. Unless someone can present a good reason.
    Seems like they aren't going to have those features out of spite.

    "ok, you $#@!ers. You didn't accept our drm so we're taking ____ away."

    They could easily have it work both ways.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Two4DaMoney View Post
    Seems like they aren't going to have those features out of spite.

    "ok, you $#@!ers. You didn't accept our drm so we're taking ____ away."

    They could easily have it work both ways.
    Honestly, as far as I can see it, that seems to be exactly what is happening. I understand that now it is harder for Microsoft to implement the online features they had originally envisioned, but the removal of DRM shouldn't stop all of the other things they are no longer giving to their consumers. It certainly appears, to me at least, that their feelings are hurt and they are lashing out by punishing gamers. They could do some work, keep those features, and people would be ecstatic.

    If the problem really isn't fixable because it is intricately connected to the DRM capabilities, then that sucks. I highly doubt this is the case though, as clearly the DRM is not as central to the system as Microsoft assured us it was. Also, Microsoft was not clear enough about the sharing your game with the family business. From what I had always read and heard, it sounded like they were claiming you should share the game with up to ten people, with you and one other person being able to play it at the same time, as a full-on title. A crazy idea that would in many ways be much worse than used gaming, but that is how the message came across to the general public.
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    lol just got the joke after i came home. the pic was not showing.

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