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    Sony Denies Removing Camera to Make PS4 Price Competitive With Xbox One


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    I somehow doubt this but I'm glad they opted to do so because I didn't want it. On a side note, Seb from PlayStation lifestyle isn't our Seb is it?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Manning View Post
    To be honest the PS4Eye w/o Move Controllers (Yes, I know there's some features in the DS4 Controller) is very limiting. Putting it out w/o tossing in at least one Motion controller would have been a limiting effort.

    The majority of those who want to pay the extra money for it will be those existing Move controller users (like myself.)

    I think it was a good pricing strategy, and I think they wanted to make sure they didn't come in higher in price than the XB1, which is something they were constantly behind the ball on last generation. But I do believe them when they say they had no idea of what the pricing was going to be on the XB1.

    They didn't make it an integral part/requirement like was made on the XB1, which because of this, has to ship w/ the kinect.

    It's simply a different strategy.



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    Quote Originally Posted by TAZ427 View Post
    To be honest the PS4Eye w/o Move Controllers (Yes, I know there's some features in the DS4 Controller) is very limiting. Putting it out w/o tossing in at least one Motion controller would have been a limiting effort.

    The majority of those who want to pay the extra money for it will be those existing Move controller users (like myself.)

    I think it was a good pricing strategy, and I think they wanted to make sure they didn't come in higher in price than the XB1, which is something they were constantly behind the ball on last generation. But I do believe them when they say they had no idea of what the pricing was going to be on the XB1.

    They didn't make it an integral part/requirement like was made on the XB1, which because of this, has to ship w/ the kinect.

    It's simply a different strategy.
    I Believe they didn't know the price but many expected it to be 500 in the US. They can say all they want but like you said if they offer it without those that want it will buy it. No need to drive the price up for many that don't want it or are indifferent about it. I still think this was mostly about pricing strategy. Especially considering the fact that it interacts with the controller.




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    It's doubtful. I'm sure Sony pulled it last minute to outprice Microsoft.

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    Sony's on a PR marathon. Can't blame them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ps3freak18 View Post
    I somehow doubt this but I'm glad they opted to do so because I didn't want it. On a side note, Seb from PlayStation lifestyle isn't our Seb is it?
    Yep thats our Seb. Or at least used to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radgamer420 View Post
    Yep thats our Seb. Or at least used to be.
    Did he found that site?




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    Quote Originally Posted by ps3freak18 View Post
    Did he found that site?
    I have no idea.

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    I could believe that sony did that just to beat out Microsoft. Gotta do what you gotta do, cant blame them for trying to get the upper hand this gen. Plus, I wouldn't have liked the eye being mandatory either. But regardless, like flumbooze said sony's on a pr marathon getting everything they can out of these positive vibes lol. Good for them, payback's a *****.



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    I don't believe they pulled the camera last minute for pricing any more than I believe they were going to restrict used games like MS until they saw all the negativity MS was getting. Would be too hard to change all their documents and things with only a few hours between the MS conference and Sony conference. I think they had good business intelligence that told them what MS was likely to do and they simply planned accordingly. That DOES happen, you know..

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    Okay Sony, we believe you.


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    The damned camera does not account for 100 bucks difference. Well, maybe Kinect 2.0 costs 100 bucks to make, but a dual RGB camera certainly doesn't. Kinect 1 only costs around 56 bucks in 2010, so a dual RGB cam will likely be about 50 bucks (It IS higher resolution than Kinect, so it ends up evening out)

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    I don't think Sony has ever forced a peripheral on their customers have they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jphuff View Post
    I don't believe they pulled the camera last minute for pricing any more than I believe they were going to restrict used games like MS until they saw all the negativity MS was getting. Would be too hard to change all their documents and things with only a few hours between the MS conference and Sony conference. I think they had good business intelligence that told them what MS was likely to do and they simply planned accordingly. That DOES happen, you know..
    I think you're right. while I could see them pulling it, I really don't think they did. I think they just made a sound business decision and it's paying off and people who aren't ps fans are whining


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kauldron View Post
    I don't think Sony has ever forced a peripheral on their customers have they?
    Not to my knowledge. Could be wrong.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Kauldron View Post
    I don't think Sony has ever forced a peripheral on their customers have they?
    The original dualshock is all that I can really think of if that counts. Don't think anyone complained about it tho lol
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    If they did, by all means

    It means better value for a console that is not " marked with death "



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    Quote Originally Posted by Foraeli View Post
    It's doubtful. I'm sure Sony pulled it last minute to outprice Microsoft.
    As Tretton said in the E3 interview (IIRC), massive companies plan crap out months in advance and they have to execute on that. I doubt any last minute plans were made, these are conglomerates, not saturday morning flea market stalls.
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    Camera only costs $50 right?
    Even if they added it in they wouldn't up the price by exactly $50. (they take a cost hit on everything implemented)
    Likely they could have added it in and still kept the same price providing they were 1). set on that price and 2). thought the cam was required for every SKU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost-Rhayne View Post
    As Tretton said in the E3 interview (IIRC), massive companies plan crap out months in advance and they have to execute on that. I doubt any last minute plans were made, these are conglomerates, not saturday morning flea market stalls.
    take a pause sir, Microsoft is defeating ur statement weekly


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost-Rhayne View Post
    As Tretton said in the E3 interview (IIRC), massive companies plan crap out months in advance and they have to execute on that. I doubt any last minute plans were made, these are conglomerates, not saturday morning flea market stalls.
    And how would Sony know what the X1 would cost prior to E3? They found out when we found out. Pricing strategies are not formulated in the matter of a couple of hours between E3 press conferences.

    And as far as Sony knew, MS could have pulled their entire plan for DRM prior to E3 and thrown Sony for a loop. Everything Sony threw out at E3, it without knowledge of what MS had planned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost-Rhayne View Post
    As Tretton said in the E3 interview (IIRC), massive companies plan crap out months in advance and they have to execute on that. I doubt any last minute plans were made, these are conglomerates, not saturday morning flea market stalls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeisureSuitLarry View Post
    And how would Sony know what the X1 would cost prior to E3? They found out when we found out. Pricing strategies are not formulated in the matter of a couple of hours between E3 press conferences.

    And as far as Sony knew, MS could have pulled their entire plan for DRM prior to E3 and thrown Sony for a loop. Everything Sony threw out at E3, it without knowledge of what MS had planned.
    Exactly. It's all a bit silly to think that a company would make changes that had been in place for months and months on a whim after the competitors price reveal. Sony said it wasn't bundled because it's about consumer choice.
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    Truth be told the PSeye on Ps2 and Ps3 while successful enough where never huge sellers, it feels like a product that would of held back the platform more than help. Sony made the right choice as far as I'm concerned.

    The camera just doesn't add enough functionality to justify the additional cost to everyone, this is the same issue I have with MS packing in the Kinect with X1.

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