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    Quote Originally Posted by forrma View Post
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    yes Penello did say that too. he also said that If ur not lead software engineer ( and another one I can't remember) then you're not smart enough to be debating this kind of stuff anyways. the words tech specs don't matter literally came out of his mouth
    No he didnt. What he said was
    The problem is that Sony decided to go out and publish a bunch of numbers, which are in some ways meaningless
    Thats not saying they dont matter.

    What he says about having the debate of comparing is this...

    For me, I'd rather not even have the conversation, because it's not going to matter,
    So no he never said tech specs don't matter. He said for him, the debate is meaningless.
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    I'm sorry to say, but I've seen a whole lot of people (not just on this forum, mind you) start singing a different tune when it comes to hardware performance ever since this rumor surfaced. It all seems a bit odd for me, because when I put a timeline to how events have transpired regarding the specs of this machine, there's been a second helping of flip-flopping going on.

    It all begs one question.. Was the XBone ever really worth $500 to anyone? As things stand now, with people jumping on-board this rumor, it seems as if people were't truly convinced by even the games shown at E3. Interesting, that.
    Who would have thought building a solid product that serves your customer's needs would beat out money, marketing, hype, and greed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefein View Post
    I'm sorry to say, but I've seen a whole lot of people (not just on this forum, mind you) start singing a different tune when it comes to hardware performance ever since this rumor surfaced. It all seems a bit odd for me, because when I put a timeline to how events have transpired regarding the specs of this machine, there's been a second helping of flip-flopping going on.

    It all begs one question.. Was the XBone ever really worth $500 to anyone? As things stand now, with people jumping on-board this rumor, it seems as if people were't truly convinced by even the games shown at E3. Interesting, that.
    Even at 429/500 even if they put 16gb of Ram in it's still too expensive! The one thing XO has got going for it is games but the price is putting most people off especially with the PS4 being so much cheaper!

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    The $500 price tag is and never was a concern for me. The Xbox One has awesome performance, awesome game line up, great multi-tasking features, improved Xbox Live, looks great and is going to fit perfectly in my TV stand. Now just ship the Day One console to my house already!

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    Oh, I think they'll definetly try something.

    Bragging rights go a long way too help the initial and ultimately the general perception of consoles these days. Just take a look at/remenice the console wars this generation. 12 GB over 8 GB and a smaller gap in GPU will go along way in maintaining the Xbox One's swager.

    Edit: "No one" will ever bite "The Power of The Cloud" though. It was a fetal attempt from the start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier 95B View Post
    The $500 price tag is and never was a concern for me. The Xbox One has awesome performance, awesome game line up, great multi-tasking features, improved Xbox Live, looks great and is going to fit perfectly in my TV stand. Now just ship the Day One console to my house already!
    I expected to pay at least that much because I was getting Kinect 2 regardless. The game line up does look great and 2014 looks to be even better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaw3d Genius View Post
    Even at 429/500 even if they put 16gb of Ram in it's still too expensive! The one thing XO has got going for it is games but the price is putting most people off especially with the PS4 being so much cheaper!
    Yep. That is why I'm getting PS4 first. Just as awesome lineup of games and the $100 savings will allow me to buy more of them. I'll consider X1 when the price is more reasonable.
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    Why is an increase needed with the power of the cloud?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Two4DaMoney View Post
    Why is an increase needed with the power of the cloud?
    Good point. Just further proves what a bunch of bs all this power of the cloud PR is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two4DaMoney View Post
    Why is an increase needed with the power of the cloud?
    The cloud won't impact the single player portion of games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier 95B View Post
    The cloud won't impact the single player portion of games.
    I thought it was when it comes to the A.I in forza 5?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Two4DaMoney View Post
    I thought it was when it comes to the A.I in forza 5?
    Guess if the game gets too hard in single player just unplug the internet!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Two4DaMoney View Post
    Why is an increase needed with the power of the cloud?
    Best of both worlds.

    However isnt the increase just rumour?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier 95B View Post
    The cloud won't impact the single player portion of games.
    With the change in policy of always connected the cloud won't always be there to assist with single player games, calculating physics, and whatever else it was going to do for the xbox.

    I originally thought "the cloud" was bs pr talk but after reading about it, it is very impressive with what they are, were trying to do with it.

    It seems like its just a bit ahead of its time.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Two4DaMoney View Post
    I thought it was when it comes to the A.I in forza 5?
    Apparently that has to do with drivatar and AI, and only happens if you connect to the internet to the cloud service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soldier 95B View Post
    Apparently that has to do with drivatar and AI, and only happens if you connect to the internet to the cloud service.

    So, what you are saying is the cloud is an enhancement, not a requirement for Forza.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VayMasters86 View Post
    Unless the board was already designed to have up to 12GB of RAM, but I couldn't imagine that they would just have the extra room on a console motherboard unless they were thinking about doing this from early on and were just covering for the possibility.

    Then there's the fact that 9GB of ram takes a while to fill from just a 7200 rpm hard drive, guessing it "could" fill quicker if they also draw data from the BR drive and faster hard drive.

    As for increasing the GPU speed, maybe they've solved heating issues and/or fabrication issues? Or maybe it's all just rumor to boost hype?
    The x1 and x360 architecture is similar. When MS decided to add an extra 4gb of ram to the 360 they done this by putting it on the back side ofvthe mother board. They probably will do the same for the x1 .

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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    No he didnt. What he said was


    Thats not saying they dont matter.

    What he says about having the debate of comparing is this...



    So no he never said tech specs don't matter. He said for him, the debate is meaningless.
    ok then I was wrong on the exact wording I apologize. however, "in some ways meaningless" when it was all about tech specs this gen when the Xbox was beating the ps3? uh, ironic?



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    Again I get this feeling that MS has absolutely no idea what they are doing. Or right hand has no idea what left hand and right foot is doing etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mael Duin View Post
    Again I get this feeling that MS has absolutely no idea what they are doing. Or right hand has no idea what left hand and right foot is doing etc.
    Lmao ...these guys are some of the best engineers well versed in their profession.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sith View Post
    Lmao ...these guys are some of the best engineers well versed in their profession.
    True and the final specs haven't really been revealed yet. It would be great for devs if they added more RAM. Either way I think it gonna be more than powerful enough from what i've seen. Maybe they will just go with what's in the dev kits which is supposedly 12 GB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sith View Post
    The x1 and x360 architecture is similar. When MS decided to add an extra 4gb of ram to the 360 they done this by putting it on the back side ofvthe mother board. They probably will do the same for the x1 .
    MS added an extra 4GB of RAM to the 360? lol The 360 only had 512MB of RAM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mael Duin View Post
    Again I get this feeling that MS has absolutely no idea what they are doing. Or right hand has no idea what left hand and right foot is doing etc.
    Yep definitely. MS obviously has no clear consistent vision for their console.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuguy View Post
    So, what you are saying is the cloud is an enhancement, not a requirement for Forza.
    Exactly. The cloud will only benefit those who are connected, of course. It really is designed for mult-iplayer features.

    Quote Originally Posted by radgamer420 View Post
    MS added an extra 4GB of RAM to the 360? lol The 360 only had 512MB of RAM.
    Clearly a typo on his part. He was talking about how MS doubled the RAM from 256mb to 512mb in the last 4-5 months leading up to the release of the console.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radgamer420 View Post
    MS added an extra 4GB of RAM to the 360? lol The 360 only had 512MB of RAM.

    pretty sure you knew he mistyped.

    they did double the RAM though

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