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    Quote Originally Posted by Rekmon View Post
    I'm basing that on (typically) whichever side of the fan houses the power wire is the exhaust side. I don't see a wire on the top so...yeah. Of course my old eyes aren't exactly as sharp as they used to be and only got one angle of the image so I could very well be wrong and it could be exhausting upwards. That HSF is located right under the open grills on the top right of the box BTW.

    And I didn't say it was "not smart", just that it wasn't "the smartest"
    (as in I'd want it blowing cool air in over the HSF and have a chassis fan to remove the heated air. Or a blower style setup)

    Curvature of the blades have a major impact on airflow (and how quiet it when in operation - yes many other factors apply in terms of quietness as well), the wires for fans intended to be direct mounted on heat sinks are normally placed to the opposite side of the heatsink whether they are used to push or pull air. Most CPU fans in PC's push air down through the fins of the heatsink on the CPU. They also have at least the Power Supply fan to help pull air though the PC. That said, they also have Hot Bridge Chips, Graphics Chips (both onboard lower performance and power and much higher power Cards, many with their own fans.) ... That said, this is a known system and not somebodies home built PC, or even Dell/HP/Acer/Picking one already PC where customers can go in and change / add cards.

    Sucking cool air through the chassis, to cool most lower power items then this air being pulled through the heatsink and forced out of the chassis, in most cases is actually the most efficient and smartest way to do it for a closed system that you don't have to worry about people adding cards and changing airflow and heat dissipation within the chassis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ps3freak18 View Post
    I want to plug my cord into that thing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeanutButterMunky View Post
    Pretty much.



    The entire back is a freaking ventilation system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyClaw View Post
    Who 'Dat Ass be



    I'd be sinking some heat into that now!!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by TAZ427 View Post
    Who 'Dat Ass be



    I'd be sinking some heat into that now!!!
    wrong thread


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    Ok... I was wrong. Happy?

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    I don't get why anyone imagined heat problems when they first saw the console. The box was engineered with the internal hardware already in mind. The original PS3 was pretty large but they intake and exhaust airflow on it was perfectly engineered.

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    @TAZ427,

    LoL, that ass is a lil too sloppy 'n wide for my taste. She's got one'a them retarded ass. You could do somethin' with it though, like use it as a coffee table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TAZ427 View Post
    Not to argue with you but this really doesn't mean crap. First talk about Power of APU, Heatsinks, and CFM of fans only then start talking about ventilation. There's a $#@! load of fins as vents as would be expected, especially for one w/ the power brick inside, presumably at the back like the PS3.

    A big thing to point out is the C7 power coupler, which is for lower power. Sony used the C13 (like on your PC power supply) on the PS3 Phat and moved to the C7 when they brought the power down on the PS3 Slim. I'd expect the power consumption of the first gen PS4 to be no more than 165W max, probably a little less. Something in line with the Slim, maybe a little lower.

    But that's speculation. What I'd really like to see is a teardown view of the PS3. It's interesting how the ports are sitting up high on the backside of the PS4. Probably just a small PCB up there that's ribbon cabled to the main board though.
    I also want to see the insides of it, just out of curiosity. I'm going to guess the PS4 will be eating 140-150W at full load


    Quote Originally Posted by TAZ427 View Post
    Curvature of the blades have a major impact on airflow (and how quiet it when in operation - yes many other factors apply in terms of quietness as well), the wires for fans intended to be direct mounted on heat sinks are normally placed to the opposite side of the heatsink whether they are used to push or pull air. Most CPU fans in PC's push air down through the fins of the heatsink on the CPU.
    Understood, and I have seen HSF's that were designed for push as well as pull. But I have never seen a fan that didn't exahust air towards the side of the fan case where the wire resides. Please note I may simply not be seeing that wire in the limited pictures available.

    So...from what I see it's blowing down on the HSF.

    Quote Originally Posted by TAZ427 View Post
    They also have at least the Power Supply fan to help pull air though the PC. That said, they also have Hot Bridge Chips, Graphics Chips (both onboard lower performance and power and much higher power Cards, many with their own fans.) ... That said, this is a known system and not somebodies home built PC, or even Dell/HP/Acer/Picking one already PC where customers can go in and change / add cards.
    No PSU in the XBO to help exhaust.

    Quote Originally Posted by TAZ427 View Post
    Sucking cool air through the chassis, to cool most lower power items then this air being pulled through the heatsink and forced out of the chassis, in most cases is actually the most efficient and smartest way to do it for a closed system that you don't have to worry about people adding cards and changing airflow and heat dissipation within the chassis.
    I don't necessarily disagree on the method. However a certain MS console in recent memory also used that exact setup, and had a notorious failure rate...
    (Note I'm not saying that the XBO will have the same failure rate, it being an SoC and presumably running much cooler than the 360 should conveniently take care of that)

    Personally...I'll always go for more intake pressure than exhaust. I don't like dust being sucked into every single crack and opening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeanutButterMunky View Post
    Pretty much.



    The entire back is a freaking ventilation system.
    That is not enough.

    stock-photo-huge-greenhouse-ventilators-3656198.jpg

    That should do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeisureSuitLarry View Post
    That is not enough.

    stock-photo-huge-greenhouse-ventilators-3656198.jpg

    That should do.
    But that won't fit in my living room. ;(
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeanutButterMunky View Post
    But that won't fit in my living room. ;(
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeisureSuitLarry View Post
    Stop doubting Foraeli! Just shut up and move!
    Um... what? How was that in any way related to him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeanutButterMunky View Post
    Um... what? How was that in any way related to him?
    Cuz we need more fans?

    Just messing around, dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeisureSuitLarry View Post
    Cuz we need more fans?
    Oh yes... of course.

    Just messing around, dude.
    I was just confused... lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeanutButterMunky View Post
    Um... what? How was that in any way related to him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foraeli View Post
    Sony producing three consoles over Microsoft's two wouldn't have any relevance. Both Microsoft and Sony have hired veterans of the industry to create their consoles. The design of the PS4 makes cooling more difficult for Sony than the Xbox One for Microsoft. It was unsafe and unnecessary risk to go with such a small box just for the sake of aesthetics. Sony engineers have had it tough making this console with such a small form factor in mind, and it is pure vainglory to have opted for creating such a small console rather than just having opted to keep the console cool through the best and smartest way possible, which is to just make the box bigger.
    Got any source for this claim ? I know MS said that SONY should (in MS minds atleast) have big issues with heat but I have not heard this from any other source....Infact, this thread quotes Cerny saying that heat is not an issue.

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    awww too bad i couldn't like or rep you there forrma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    awww too bad i couldn't like or rep you there forrma.
    well WHY THE HELL NOT!?!? lol



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rekmon View Post
    Sucking in air from the _top_ of the console box, running it through the biggest HSF they could fit and then letting hot air mix around inside the case and hoping it'll find it's way out of one of the other vents is not the best and smartest way possible, it's the cheapest and easiest way possible.
    Sucking in air from a very, very large opening from the top and throwing it out the back is the best possible way to keep a console cool. However, sucking air in from a small slit in the front and throwing it out the back is poor. Why do people always make up everything they can to lie in favor of their favorite plastic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by forrma View Post
    well WHY THE HELL NOT!?!? lol
    you must spread it around before giving it to forrma again.

    that almost sounds like stds.

    Quote Originally Posted by Foraeli View Post
    Sucking in air from a very, very large opening from the top and throwing it out the back is the best possible way to keep a console cool. However, sucking air in from a small slit in the front and throwing it out the back is poor. Why do people always make up everything they can to lie in favor of their favorite plastic?
    ummm...no the smaller the space, the more efficient it is to take out the heat. since you're saying that xbox being bigger means better cooling potential.

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    xbone just looks like very little thought was put into directing the air out of the box so they made lots of exit vents around all the sides.
    The ambient air temp would be too high if it was any smaller.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    you must spread it around before giving it to forrma again.

    that almost sounds like stds.


    ummm...no the smaller the space, the more efficient it is to take out the heat. since you're saying that xbox being bigger means better cooling potential.
    lol yea it does . so uh, why exactly is a smaller space better?



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    Quote Originally Posted by forrma View Post
    lol yea it does . so uh, why exactly is a smaller space better?
    because it takes less time and effort to suck it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foraeli View Post
    Why do people always make up everything they can to lie in favor of their favorite plastic?
    Pot...meet kettle.

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