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Last edited by Sub-stance1; 07-21-2013 at 23:00.
IMO, BF4 will how which console has more oomph right ot of the gate. DICE wen. The extra mile with the PS3 version of BF3, and I'm betting that if the PS4 has more graphical prowess,DICE will utilize it.
This is shaping to be a long generation model for Microsoft. Despite the specs and possible flaws of both consloes, looks like developers will exploit what's easiest and more powerful which seems to be the PS4 this gen. Sony is making things to damn easy for developers this gen.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
It's gonna come down to the games and services just like before. The masses aren't gonna run out and buy a console based on just power. If that were the case then everyone would be gaming on PCs.
07-21-2013 #380Flaw3d GeniusGuest
Which is one thing every gamer should remember.
MS abandoned it's customer base to focus on kinect the last few years.
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price is as well. so is power, so is accessibility (something PS3 lacked). plenty of things are factors but overall it boils down to that if you don't have the games, you're going to suffer. Both MS and Sony had games this generation, Sony had a little more but not enough to really do much damage.
bottom line, power is a factor.
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I'm not going to say MS doesn't have a chance...they have a console plenty powerful enough to run their games.....definately a console with enough flexibility to allow them to do a whole SLEW of possibilities of multi-tasking and innovative things and the most important is that they have enough money to purchase any title they want and make it exclusive...so they have options and will be a solid competitor...but unless they hit lightening in a bottle and make some incrediblely great business choices and pull out some new 1st party titles that gamers can't live without....people will choose the cheaper, more powerful, game console..PS4. We all saw what price can do in a depressed economy...and PS4 has that advantage that 360 had last gen....and they aren't starting out playing from behind with all the kids trying to convince them NOT to get what their friends have....the PS4 is the choice and x1 will be playing catch up it seems....and without any power or graphic advantages....they will need to innovate and show some really great games.
Last edited by davin_g; 07-21-2013 at 23:52.
The bottom line is both consoles are capable of great graphics. That's a given. What's inside them matters but the gap in graphical output isn't gonna be as substantial as people are thinking. It's not like PS4 games will look like they are a gen ahead. At the end of the day, most people don't care if xbox-one or ps4 is the most powerful. That's not why the masses will go out and buy the consoles. It's about the game that they want to play whether they look great or not.
Triangles maybe prettier, buy the ploy count wont.
The 360 could render faster and push more polys through per second.
Untill some one confirms the actual clock speed of the PS4 gpu is higher than reported. It will be capable of prettier imagine but same poly count, same assets as xbox one.
I expect better AA and some texture effects on the PS4, but anyone talking faster framerates doesnt understand how a GPU works.
Last edited by mynd; 07-22-2013 at 00:01.
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i don't think anyone cares about that.
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The surest sign that you are on the right side of a debate is when you find yourself against those who are stuck in the past. It is they whom have no future.
It's not like there's a HUGE difference between the systems graphically like there has been in the past. Even if it comes down to games being in a lower internal resolution on one console or the other or versions of games that are 60fps on one console and 30fps on the other, that won't matter too much to the average consumer. Sure, some consumers who do research before buying might be influenced by that but it won't affect the average parents buying a console for their kids at Christmas. What WILL influence those buyers is price number one, and then anything great they see via advertising.
MS by their own admission didn't target the highest end specs. They are not specifically targeting the hardcore gamer. They are going to advertise like CRAZY, I think (read they have $1 billion set aside for advertising) and they are going to be trying to reach the "average" consumer and draw in the casual crowd with their TV integration and Kinect 2.0 features as the PRIMARY seller for this box. They are trying to make the XB1 the next Wii where tons of households want one because it's "cool" with the TV features and Kinect. As I said, a lot of those consumers won't care if games technically look and run better on the PS4. They will be responding to the marketing.
Microsoft's challenge is to advertise all that in a way that the average consumer bites and overlooks the fact that "the other" game console has some of the same features but more importantly is $100 LESS. That's a challenge to be sure. MS will be marketing to people that are NOT their current consumers with the 360 for the most part. They've already said they are competing more against companies like Apple and Samsung and the like. That's what is throwing their current, loyal 360 customers and I can't blame them. But that's what it is. It's a complete shift by MS. Of course, they began that shift a couple of years ago, but those loyal 360 folk overlooked that. In part because they didn't hear a lot of complaint from their users base when they did that years ago, MS is forging ahead and this time they've completely oriented their hardware towards that new audience. It just remains to be seen if that shift and gamble will pay off.
Sony on the other hand, learned a painful lesson with the PS3. They had a great product, but it was too expensive to start and so difficult for developers that developers started PREFERRING to lead on the MS product. It also resulted in titles not showing any superiority for the PS3 hardware until midway thru late in the generation. As a large result of all of this combined, Sony saw some erosion of their user base as many of their previous customers went to MS where the titles they wanted ran better.
This generation, some of that user base may well go back to Sony. The point is that that's ok with MS. They are focusing again on the more casual market and the families. If they are successful, they may end up with the next Wii and sell TONS to the average household and that's what they are trying to do. Again, that market won't care of there are some performance differences. If MS is able to sell 100 million or more consoles during this generation, they will have done what they set out to do. If however, that doesn't work and they lose portions of their "hardcore" customers as well, they will simply have to reset much like Sony did and adjust their strategy for the next generation.
All you have to decide is what to do with the time give to you....
07-22-2013 #397Soldier 95BGuest
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Take a look at what the thread is about. GRAPHICS. You keep trying to sway the topic. There's no shame in admitting the ps4 is stronger than your console of choice. That's what it boils down to. When you bring up those other things "that matter most", Sony still holds the advantages.
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