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    Like i said before. If your reputation is $#@!ed up you will have a hard struggle to get it back among consumers. And MS clearly has $#@! up almost everything since the reveal of the Xbox One. Heck even Sony still have to deal with 10-year-old-trojan-horses-PR disaster. Do you think everyone will forgive MS after that DRM stuns they tried to pull off ? Nevah

    In my country MS reputation is so low now that it hit the ground more then twice. The new Xbone stands for PRISM scandal, for DRM and mandatory Kinect that spies out your living room. Every big newspaper reporting it in the same way ("MS is evil") and i really don´t see that this will change in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by admartian View Post
    Devil's advocate: athletes get booed, across all sports almost, yet good devs can't? Same with anything - refs, artists, etc.


    (Disclaimer: I'm not particularly married to this argument, merely playing devil's advocate, as I'm genuinely curious as to what any real differences exist)
    First time for me in the video game industry. These guys as far as I know, haven't done anything wrong and yet they get this treatment all because of Microsoft's decisions. Developers shouldn't take this treatment unless they themselves cause it.

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    Those boos are actually good for xbone buyers at most, thanks to those boos you get rid of DRM,24 hour online checks yet, you still call that ignorance ? You are the ignorant one here.
    They should do it during Microsoft conferences, not during developer conferences.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Fon View Post
    First time for me in the video game industry. These guys as far as I know, haven't done anything wrong and yet they get this treatment all because of Microsoft's decisions. Developers shouldn't take this treatment unless they themselves cause it.

    They should do it during Microsoft conferences, not during developer conferences.
    I agree. I feel sorry for these guys. The treatment from the crowd was rude. I understand the potential benefits of this (mainstream will catch-wind of it which spreads it to more people than proper, dignified complaints/opposition) but these guys did nothing wrong. They are supporting a console, and given their game, it wasn't a bad console to be involved with. They should not have been treated so, given that the disrespect was towards the mistakes of microsoft and not the developers themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fon View Post
    They should do it during Microsoft conferences, not during developer conferences.
    Ms really don't know it's own audiance, it is too much hard for them to reach hardcore gamers for now. And Evo event has the hardest ones. So it is MS fault not the evo guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shingo View Post
    Ms really don't know it's own audiance, it is too much hard for them to reach hardcore gamers for now. And Evo event has the hardest ones. So it is MS fault not the evo guys.
    Regardless of who's fault it is, those who have no saying in Microsoft's decisions should not get this kind of treatment.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Fon View Post
    First time for me in the video game industry. These guys as far as I know, haven't done anything wrong and yet they get this treatment all because of Microsoft's decisions. Developers shouldn't take this treatment unless they themselves cause it.

    They should do it during Microsoft conferences, not during developer conferences.
    Fair enough.

    Not that I'd be one to boo at them out loud. Maybe say something snarky to the guy next to me though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bariton1 View Post
    Like i said before. If your reputation is $#@!ed up you will have a hard struggle to get it back among consumers. And MS clearly has $#@! up almost everything since the reveal of the Xbox One. Heck even Sony still have to deal with 10-year-old-trojan-horses-PR disaster. Do you think everyone will forgive MS after that DRM stuns they tried to pull off ? Nevah

    In my country MS reputation is so low now that it hit the ground more then twice. The new Xbone stands for PRISM scandal, for DRM and mandatory Kinect that spies out your living room. Every big newspaper reporting it in the same way ("MS is evil") and i really don´t see that this will change in the future.
    I disagree. I don't think it would be that hard to fix their rep. just drop the x1 100$cheaper than the ps4.



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    Quote Originally Posted by forrma View Post
    I disagree. I don't think it would be that hard to fix their rep. just drop the x1 100$cheaper than the ps4.
    that ain't gonna happend. it'll hurt the bottom line of the games division of microsoft too much



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    Quote Originally Posted by JDizzleNO1 View Post
    that ain't gonna happend. it'll hurt the bottom line of the games division of microsoft too much
    I know it's not going to happen. I was posing the example of a way to win customers back. duh



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    Well I can't wait to get my hands on the Xbox One and PS4. I use to play Killer Instinct in the arcades and on SNES so this has me interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forrma View Post
    I know it's not going to happen. I was posing the example of a way to win customers back. duh
    haha they don't care about customers.....no business does...and im saying even sony doesn't. its all about the cash



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    Quote Originally Posted by JDizzleNO1 View Post
    haha they don't care about customers.....no business does...and im saying even sony doesn't. its all about the cash
    i don't agree with that. i'm not saying sony is perfect but as of late they have been trying to keep the situation where both sides are winning. you can't just not care about your consumer, that's a sure way to lose and practically the only reason the biggest organizations go down under.

    you can't ever forget that you were nothing at one point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    i don't agree with that. i'm not saying sony is perfect but as of late they have been trying to keep the situation where both sides are winning. you can't just not care about your consumer, that's a sure way to lose and practically the only reason the biggest organizations go down under.

    you can't ever forget that you were nothing at one point.
    exactly. I'm not saying they literally love you, but if you don't care about the consumer a bit then you're not going to go that extra mile to make a product that exceeds their expectations.



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    yup, no one can survive without good image. makes me wonder if bill gates gave away all those billions for making the brand image better. that is one thing that people will agree on that he is a nice guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    yup, no one can survive without good image. makes me wonder if bill gates gave away all those billions for making the brand image better. that is one thing that people will agree on that he is a nice guy.
    what company does bill gates own again?



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    Quote Originally Posted by forrma View Post
    what company does bill gates own again?
    Uhhh.. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation?
    Not Microsoft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by faaeng View Post
    Uhhh.. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    i don't agree with that. i'm not saying sony is perfect but as of late they have been trying to keep the situation where both sides are winning. you can't just not care about your consumer, that's a sure way to lose and practically the only reason the biggest organizations go down under.

    you can't ever forget that you were nothing at one point.
    perhaps, i just got a bitter resentment towards big companies as of late because of my work, i shouldn't let that bleed into this. thats my fault.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JDizzleNO1 View Post
    perhaps, i just got a bitter resentment towards big companies as of late because of my work, i shouldn't let that bleed into this. thats my fault.
    hey no probs man. no need to be apologetic. i can understand what you're saying and some companies do this and get away with it but i feel that ultimately it will catch up with them. it did with Sony not too long ago and they had to change the way they treated their consumers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi View Post
    hey no probs man. no need to be apologetic. i can understand what you're saying and some companies do this and get away with it but i feel that ultimately it will catch up with them. it did with Sony not too long ago and they had to change the way they treated their consumers.
    Yeah, we all know that Sony screwed up big time and paid the price. The changes they've been making starting 2009 have been a welcoming improvement. Minus the Online Passes and hacked PSN which were quite frustrating.







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    LOL poor guys, the game doesn't look good imo though and not because it's an X1 exclusive but apparently Fighting games should not get a boot. I haven't enjoyed a single remake MK, Tekken, SF. Those games are meant to stay 2D, that's what makes them great.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fon View Post
    Yeah, we all know that Sony screwed up big time and paid the price. The changes they've been making starting 2009 have been a welcoming improvement. Minus the Online Passes and hacked PSN which were quite frustrating.
    totally agree, have yet to buy a single online pass game. yeaaaaaa.

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