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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    can someone find a better model than this in RYSE?




    I can't
    lol..I hope you are joking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two4DaMoney View Post
    The logic of what you are trying to imply doesn't make any sense. The main character is rendered just like higs, ect. Obviously, unless they take the player into 3rd person view, his model isn't going to be rendered at their highest poly output due to it just simply wasting resources during gameplay.


    https://mega.co.nz/#!tZZQ2bjQ!BB0R9U...M43LYJCqyu5pHQ

    ^best looking killzone:SF on the net. Nearly 1gig in size.
    In any third person game, the main focus of the game is the main character, they are ALWAYS rendered at a much higher res. Any characters further away are generally steeped down in detail, even in the sigraph demo they said that as model get further away the poly-count decrease's as does the number of joints use for animation.

    Now, unless Killzone has suddenly become a close quarters hand to hand combat game, or you happen to prefer constantly smacking people with the butt of your gun, there is little need for anything above 40k.

    I'm not talking about cut scene/scripted events in KZ, they can easily be manipulated like every cutscene.

    I just think comparing a character that is the focal point of a game vs some enemies in the distance is not even the right sort of comparison.

    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    can someone find a better model than this in RYSE?




    I can't. And the reason why the oly numbes are lower is because helghast soldiers have flat and angular edges as opposed to round shapes (round shapes are poly heavy)
    Trying to compare organic vs mechanical?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    lol..I hope you are joking.
    Whatever floats your boat. I'm still waiting on that character model though
    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    Trying to compare organic vs mechanical?
    Trying to explain why poly counts don't matter and why they are lower in KZ. Flat angular designs of helghast take less polys than round bald heads of organic soldiers.

    Though some people find it easier to compare numbers rather than understand the actual matter at hand

    Though if you want organic vs organic than beat this
    Last edited by Itachi; 08-28-2013 at 23:31.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    lol..I hope you are joking.
    Are you trying to imply his opinion/evidence as invalid, a joke, because it does not you think Ryse > KZ?

    Because "lol..I hope you are joking."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    Whatever floats your boat. I'm still waiting on that character model though


    Trying to explain why poly counts don't matter and why they are lower in KZ. Flat angular designs of helghast take less polys than round bald heads of organic soldiers.

    Though some people find it easier to compare numbers rather than understand the actual matter at hand

    Though if you want organic vs organic than beat this
    My goodness, you are actually serious.. A cutscene photo?

    Quote Originally Posted by admartian View Post
    Are you trying to imply his opinion/evidence as invalid, a joke, because it does not you think Ryse > KZ?

    Because "lol..I hope you are joking."
    evidence? You actually consider that evidence?..Showing a 3rd person cutscene photo from a 1st person shooter...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post


    Trying to explain why poly counts don't matter and why they are lower in KZ. Flat angular designs of helghast take less polys than round bald heads of organic soldiers.
    Thy are in lower in KZ because they aren't the main model. At the average distance you view a Halghast from, you'll find the polycount is similar on the Ryse models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    My goodness, you are actually serious.. A cutscene photo?



    evidence? You actually consider that evidence?..Showing a 3rd person cutscene photo from a 1st person shooter...

    Oh great, more dismissive attitude cos it's not in the Xbox's/preferred console's favour.

    Evidence, as in, not necessarily conclusive either way. Maybe my terminology is a bit off, but the point is he's trying to present these screens.

    Others who may disagree, can't be arrogant, especially when a topic like this is already touch and go. This thread was going fine with numbers and comparison screens and gifs (albeit some glitchy gameplay) until the "dudebro lol we are superior" vibe started coming out again.

    F me not "all t3h things" have to be 'teh best' in our preferred console of choice. There is room for CONCESSION and COMPROMISE, in terms of opinion.

    If we are to have a serious discussion, that means taking other's opinions and evidence into account objectively. Otherwise, people end up waving their superiority complexes around.

    It does not invalidate our choices one bit.
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    Must be in the twilight zone because from what I seen of Ryse, it wasn't all that great. people can sure daydream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demi_God View Post
    Must be in the twilight zone because from what I seen of Ryse, it wasn't all that great. people can sure daydream.
    Well I would say that's being a bit unfair. Gameplay wise, initially at least, it seemed boring to some (save for me - heck I was probably a bigger fan of it more so than most Xbox fans on here) due to the QTEs. But that's been revised.

    Now that may or may not sway others, which is fine as we can't be all fans of the same games (there are many that didn't like Alpha Protocol or Heavy Rain).
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    Quote Originally Posted by admartian View Post
    Oh great, more dismissive attitude cos it's not in the Xbox's/preferred console's favour.

    Evidence, as in, not necessarily conclusive either way. Maybe my terminology is a bit off, but the point is he's trying to present these screens.

    Others who may disagree, can't be arrogant, especially when a topic like this is already touch and go. This thread was going fine with numbers and comparison screens and gifs (albeit some glitchy gameplay) until the "dudebro lol we are superior" vibe started coming out again.

    F me not "all t3h things" have to be 'teh best' in our preferred console of choice. There is room for CONCESSION and COMPROMISE, in terms of opinion.

    If we are to have a serious discussion, that means taking other's opinions and evidence into account objectively. Otherwise, people end up waving their superiority complexes around.

    It does not invalidate our choices one bit.
    Even a blind person can see that's a capture from a cutscene, and that's not an opinion. I mean it's funny enough that he compared a mechanical photo with something organic. Then he comes back with a cutscene photo. But ok I'll play that game.


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    Is that from Ryse or Killzone?

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    From all the videos I've seen Killzone SF definitely looks better hands down imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub-stance1 View Post
    Even a blind person can see that's a capture from a cutscene, and that's not an opinion. I mean it's funny enough that he compared a mechanical photo with something organic. Then he comes back with a cutscene photo. But ok I'll play that game.
    Yes that's cool.

    The problem isn't what looks better or not (see my OP). It's this immature BS "game" I'll play type of attitude that is concerning.

    Clearly that post didn't get through at all... It seems people still have the same hangups.
    *facepalm*

    Seriously, you may as well start telling me/people what their favourite movies and food are with that line of thinking.




    @keefy, That's from Ryse I believe (which is why Sub was so confident in posting it ) - looks similar/the same to that general. Just in a swanky Vegas suit.
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    Ryse has cutscenes...

    That's Johnny Cash, not a Ryse model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naxi View Post
    Ryse has cutscenes...

    That's Johnny Cash, not a Ryse model.
    I swear that it was the general minus the outfit, and that the suit was because it's from that CryEngine 3 demo?

    Where's it from then?
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    Ya know if you guys are going to post all these screenshots, I think you should be compelled to caption them
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    Read the name of the file.

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    $#@! all that dumb$#@!.

    This is killzone's main character



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    Quote Originally Posted by Naxi View Post
    Read the name of the file.
    So simple.
    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    "Can we play the screenshot game too?"



    "No $#@!, we aint out for a while yet!"


    "Oh "



    Ya know if you guys are going to post all these screenshots, I think you should be compelled to caption them
    That would be the polite thing to do.

    She looks like she's seeing double rainbows.
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    Lets all play the cut scene screen shot game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Two4DaMoney View Post
    $#@! all that dumb$#@!.

    This is killzone's main character

    He needs camo gear....

    Hleghast: Whats that bright blue thing? Up there?
    Lucas:I is invisible $#@!es in my bright blue suit!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by mynd View Post
    He needs camo gear....

    Hleghast: Whats that bright blue thing? Up there?
    Lucas:I is invisible $#@!es in my bright blue suit!!!

    He needs Octocamo.
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